yellowboy90 wrote:When there is finally a "pg" in the finals that is important let me know until then Westbrook is one of the better options. He may be wild on offense but at least he competes on D.

HELLO!!! TONY PARKER! Mr.Back-to-Back Finals finalist.

Westbrook is a zero sum player. He stuffs a stat sheet but he's every bit as likely to consistently get lost on a switch, force dumb shots that shifts momentum and to disrupt team chemistry. What makes him so different from a Steve Francis?

BigDaddyG wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:When there is finally a "pg" in the finals that is important let me know until then Westbrook is one of the better options. He may be wild on offense but at least he competes on D.

HELLO!!! TONY PARKER! Mr.Back-to-Back Finals finalist.

Westbrook is a zero sum player. He stuffs a stat sheet but he's every bit as likely to consistently get lost on a switch, force dumb shots that shifts momentum and to disrupt team chemistry. What makes him so different from a Steve Francis?

He's not addicted to crack?

how do you know?

He definitely wears nicer ponchos than Franchise.

Oh ... and I love the pastel tights

NardDogNation wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:When there is finally a "pg" in the finals that is important let me know until then Westbrook is one of the better options. He may be wild on offense but at least he competes on D.

HELLO!!! TONY PARKER! Mr.Back-to-Back Finals finalist.

Westbrook is a zero sum player. He stuffs a stat sheet but he's every bit as likely to consistently get lost on a switch, force dumb shots that shifts momentum and to disrupt team chemistry. What makes him so different from a Steve Francis?

He's not addicted to crack?

You sir, are a terrible human being....and I think that I want to be your friend, lol.

dude! You got me addicted to chess :-)

Cant stop playing.

Chess.com / Hard ~1600 - so difficult

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:When there is finally a "pg" in the finals that is important let me know until then Westbrook is one of the better options. He may be wild on offense but at least he competes on D.

HELLO!!! TONY PARKER! Mr.Back-to-Back Finals finalist.

Westbrook is a zero sum player. He stuffs a stat sheet but he's every bit as likely to consistently get lost on a switch, force dumb shots that shifts momentum and to disrupt team chemistry. What makes him so different from a Steve Francis?

Hello, Tony is not a true point and gets yelled at constantly by pop since his arrival. He pounds the ball way to much at times which leads him to playing off the ball. On the other side of the ball he has put in effort but usually they try to hide him.

To many people seek perfection in players.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Whob]When there is finally a "pg" in the finals that is would be me know[/b] until then Westbrook is one of the better options. He may be wild on offense but at least he competes on D.

HELLO!!! TONY PARKER! Mr.Back-to-Back Finals finalist.

Westbrook is a zero sum player. He stuffs a stat sheet but he's every bit as likely to consistently get lost on a switch, force dumb shots that shifts momentum and to disrupt team chemistry. What makes him so different from a Steve Francis?

Hello, Tony is not a true point and gets yelled at constantly by pop since his arrival. He pounds the ball way to much at times which leads him to playing off the ball. On the other side of the ball he has put in effort but usually they try to hide him.

To many people seek perfection in players.

c'mon. Parker is so much better than westbrook.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Whob]When there is finally a "pg" in the finals that is would be me know[/b] until then Westbrook is one of the better options. He may be wild on offense but at least he competes on D.

HELLO!!! TONY PARKER! Mr.Back-to-Back Finals finalist.

Westbrook is a zero sum player. He stuffs a stat sheet but he's every bit as likely to consistently get lost on a switch, force dumb shots that shifts momentum and to disrupt team chemistry. What makes him so different from a Steve Francis?

Hello, Tony is not a true point and gets yelled at constantly by pop since his arrival. He pounds the ball way to much at times which leads him to playing off the ball. On the other side of the ball he has put in effort but usually they try to hide him.

To many people seek perfection in players.

c'mon. Parker is so much better than westbrook.

His extreme efficiency and passable d makes Parker better but is Parker a true point guard? Is Parker playing for one of the best coaches in the game. Who does Westbrook have as a coach? He needed better coaching and Harden like Parker had Ginobli.

You can blame the coach and maybe you're right but Parker is still much better. Westbrook is a crazy talent but there is just something missing with him. He does so many things well but he is just missing some of the basics.

I wouldn't say much better player but I would say much more team accomplishments. It took Tony Parker time and there where many inside stories about the spurs wanting to trade Parker and many times when he was blame for bad play. However when you have championships early on and have another ship when you are the MVP people over look your past. He has had good years and bad years

Also, my initial post was not to claim Westbrook was better than Parker. I was just stating that he is not a true point guard. He is a score first point that gets some assist. He has a more mature game because his growth was cultivated by the best.Also, as a 30+ year old player his game should be more mature but he had to discover what to do over time.

Westbrook is in his 5th year and is still growing. Its not like his team is getting bounced out early to weaker teams. He is helping his team get to the WCF and finals.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Whob]When there is finally a "pg" in the finals that is would be me know[/b] until then Westbrook is one of the better options. He may be wild on offense but at least he competes on D.

HELLO!!! TONY PARKER! Mr.Back-to-Back Finals finalist.

Westbrook is a zero sum player. He stuffs a stat sheet but he's every bit as likely to consistently get lost on a switch, force dumb shots that shifts momentum and to disrupt team chemistry. What makes him so different from a Steve Francis?

Hello, Tony is not a true point and gets yelled at constantly by pop since his arrival. He pounds the ball way to much at times which leads him to playing off the ball. On the other side of the ball he has put in effort but usually they try to hide him.

To many people seek perfection in players.

c'mon. Parker is so much better than westbrook.

His extreme efficiency and passable d makes Parker better but is Parker a true point guard? Is Parker playing for one of the best coaches in the game. Who does Westbrook have as a coach? He needed better coaching and Harden like Parker had Ginobli.

You can blame the coach and maybe you're right but Parker is still much better. Westbrook is a crazy talent but there is just something missing with him. He does so many things well but he is just missing some of the basics.

I wouldn't say much better player but I would say much more team accomplishments. It took Tony Parker time and there where many inside stories about the spurs wanting to trade Parker and many times when he was blame for bad play. However when you have championships early on and have another ship when you are the MVP people over look your past. He has had good years and bad years

Also, my initial post was not to claim Westbrook was better than Parker. I was just stating that he is not a true point guard. He is a score first point that gets some assist. He has a more mature game because his growth was cultivated by the best.Also, as a 30+ year old player his game should be more mature but he had to discover what to do over time.

Westbrook is in his 5th year and is still growing. Its not like his team is getting bounced out early to weaker teams. He is helping his team get to the WCF and finals.

IDK, he has a weird game. He is a terrible 3 point shooter, low FG, but gets to the line and is a great FT shooter. He just seems to take his team out of the flow. He has heart and is a good defender but there just seems like there is something off.

His game is weird but I would take the bad with all the good he gives a team. What's off is his coach allows him to take stupid shots. Who coaches their players to take early mid range shots.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Whob]When there is finally a "pg" in the finals that is would be me know[/b] until then Westbrook is one of the better options. He may be wild on offense but at least he competes on D.

HELLO!!! TONY PARKER! Mr.Back-to-Back Finals finalist.

Westbrook is a zero sum player. He stuffs a stat sheet but he's every bit as likely to consistently get lost on a switch, force dumb shots that shifts momentum and to disrupt team chemistry. What makes him so different from a Steve Francis?

Hello, Tony is not a true point and gets yelled at constantly by pop since his arrival. He pounds the ball way to much at times which leads him to playing off the ball. On the other side of the ball he has put in effort but usually they try to hide him.

To many people seek perfection in players.

c'mon. Parker is so much better than westbrook.

His extreme efficiency and passable d makes Parker better but is Parker a true point guard? Is Parker playing for one of the best coaches in the game. Who does Westbrook have as a coach? He needed better coaching and Harden like Parker had Ginobli.

You can blame the coach and maybe you're right but Parker is still much better. Westbrook is a crazy talent but there is just something missing with him. He does so many things well but he is just missing some of the basics.

I wouldn't say much better player but I would say much more team accomplishments. It took Tony Parker time and there where many inside stories about the spurs wanting to trade Parker and many times when he was blame for bad play. However when you have championships early on and have another ship when you are the MVP people over look your past. He has had good years and bad years

Also, my initial post was not to claim Westbrook was better than Parker. I was just stating that he is not a true point guard. He is a score first point that gets some assist. He has a more mature game because his growth was cultivated by the best.Also, as a 30+ year old player his game should be more mature but he had to discover what to do over time.

Westbrook is in his 5th year and is still growing. Its not like his team is getting bounced out early to weaker teams. He is helping his team get to the WCF and finals.

IDK, he has a weird game. He is a terrible 3 point shooter, low FG, but gets to the line and is a great FT shooter. He just seems to take his team out of the flow. He has heart and is a good defender but there just seems like there is something off.

His game is weird but I would take the bad with all the good he gives a team. What's off is his coach allows him to take stupid shots. Who coaches their players to take early mid range shots.

I think you put too much blame on brooks. He has a dumb player and does not have the clout to address it.

Westbrook grew up under Brooks. It was his staff suggesting he work on some of those early pull up shots. You say I blame Brooks too much and I think you blame Westbrook too much. we simply disagree.

RonRon wrote:If I were OKC and Presti, I would look to seal Durant and Westbrook for their careers, by finding the perfect compliment players after losing a ALL STAR caliber player like Harden
Many here have hoped OKC would consider Chandler/Iman along with their 2 1st rounders this season, they own Memphis's 2017 2nd rounder, and many of their own picks but they don't need any more YOUNG talents, they need to go on WIN NOW MODE because if not they risk losing Durant in 2016 summer, allowing him to not even hesitate about signing an extension and question the direction of the team/owernship

but

Offer the Bulls a package that they would have trouble refusing, in addition to their own 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder this summer, allowing them to have 5 picks this summer, and massive cap space in 2015 and after
OKC should offer a package for Noah, maybe Jimmy Butler or Sneil
With expirings and fill ins with Perkins, Nick Collison, Thabeet, Perry Jones, and even Jeremy Lamb to sweeten the deal if needed, in addition to the 2 1st rounders this summer and future picks, even taking back Dunleavey's contract if needed, but first they should use the full MLE for Trevor Ariza *trick is to stay under the predicted tax threshold at about 75-77m than the current 72m*

OKC
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Westbrook/Reggie Jackson
Ariza/ Jimmy Butler
Durant/ Dunleavy JR if needed
Ibaka/Durant
Noah/Adams

Reggie Jackson
Jimmy Butler/Ariza
Dunleavy JR
Caron Butler
Steven Adams

vet min
vet min
undrafted talents

Bulls
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Derrick Rose
Taj Gibson

Keeping either Sneil or Butler, probably better off keeping Sneil for cap reasons

Lamb
Perry Jones

MLE this summer

picks 16, 19, 21, 29, and 49
In addition to future draft picks including Memphis's 2017 2nd rounder and future 1st rounders from OKC
Over 30m in cap space in 2015 summer

They can also look to trade Thibs for a 1st rounder like Boston did for Rivers, looking to do a quick rebuild as their owner is a penny pincher
Possibly even to OKC as well as Brook's is just not a good coach with premium talent

4 1st rounders in this draft, with future draft picks from OKC as well

Westbrook
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Whether Westbrook is a PG or not is irrelevant, whether he is a SG or PG, he is a supreme ALL STAR caliber talent and is a lockdown defender
Give him DEF specialists in Noah, Ariza, Jimmy Butlers versatility, LOCK DOWN DEF, Size, and REBOUNDING ability, along with the spacing that Ariza provides with his athleticism/length, and Noah's ability to create/initiate the Offense from the PnR, Post, and his ability to pass/facilitate and call it a new Dynasty in the making with The Spur's falling out soon with their age and retirement of Poppavich

They would be unstoppable both on the full court press, length/size/athleticism, and half court sets with that amount of depth and talent
Add in a better coach like Thibs, they easily are set for the next 6years +

With Houston, Clippers, Golden State, Blazers, possibly Mav's, being the other candidates but are far behind when compared to the team assembled above

OKC BIG 3, BIG 4 with Ibaka, including great complimentary young role players/2nd tier/3rd tier talents
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Westbrook
Durant
Noah

Ibaka

Reggie Jackson
Ariza/Butler
Adams

in addition to future MLE's (not even needed) and easy vet min players coming for the cheap

I would ask back for Bull's 2nd rounder this summer, using it on a PG like Kane/Dwinwiddie or whoever that falls, even purchasing a 2nd rounder from Philly or Bucks *since they are in another conference and have multiple draft picks that they cannot all utilize*

or

Backaski and Kendall Williams *especially if these guys go undrafted*
They have a great development staff and have players that are gym rats, imposing the leadership off the court and will to win both on the court and off the court
Whether it is in practice/locker rooms, and in the gym
Those future 1st round picks they would give up mean NOTHING to entice Bulls while they have a core like this that goes over 8-12 DEEP

Why are the Bulls trading a MVP candidate for bench players and washouts like Perkins and Thabeet?