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tkf
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newyorknewyork wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:dirk had been a first team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011
dirk had been a second team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011if melo is looking at dirk's monetary sacrifice and comparing himself to dirk in terms of recognized greatness, then asking for anything more than 13-14 million a year with the knicks is the height of conceit and delusion. melo needs to sack up and do what's best for the team and not what he believes is best for himself. he tried it once and it hasn't turned out too well. only greed and ego will make him want more.
If melo 'sacrifices' like dirk he has to get 21 mil to net the same as dirk because if ny/NYC income tax. dirk is head and shoulders better than melo-- that's why i listed the all-nba awards, of which there is a predominance of 1st and 2nd team elections. the mvp means nothing so i did not include it. dirk was also homegrown, was willing to stay with the team that drafted him. 2008-09 Dallas Mavericks NBA $18,077,904
2009-10 Dallas Mavericks NBA $19,795,714
2010-11 Dallas Mavericks NBA $17,278,618
2011-12 Dallas Mavericks NBA $19,092,873
2012-13 Dallas Mavericks NBA $20,907,128
2013-14 Dallas Mavericks NBA $22,721,381 hence, melo should have stayed with denver instead of creating a worse situation for himself through greed and ego. if he wants to make amends and is serious about remaining a knick he should undo the damage he did and stay in new york for 12-14 million. 2010-11 New York Knicks NBA $17,149,243
2011-12 New York Knicks NBA $18,518,574
2012-13 New York Knicks NBA $19,450,000
2013-14 New York Knicks NBA $22,407,474 melo is merely two-thirds the player that nowitzki is. a few people may want to argue this point by denigrating nowitzki somehow. this is the usual tactic used to somehow put lipstick on a pig. two-thirds of dirk's title year salary is 11-12 million. this is the range that is fair for melo, although 12-14 million is hold-your-nose doable. you start asking for more than that and it's really a non-starter for the knicks. so simple. Dirk is no longer the player he once was, he isn't even the best player on his team...Dirk is 5 years older than Melo but has had a better career than Melo thus far...He has also played with better players...You stated that Dirk "sacrificed", when and where??...
Why do you think Melo need to make amends to you???..Why would Melo take 12-14 mil from the Knicks, when Chicago is ready to offer him 19 mil per??? dirk had tyson chandler, so did carmelo, you act as if dirk was playing with a all world cast.. Dirk is/ was a better player than carmelo by a good margin, his ability to hit clutch shots, his leadership, and overall game, allowed him to have more success... the end... Tyson Chandler of today is not the same Tyson Chandler 4 years ago...Jason Terry was much better than JR..JKidd 4 years ago versus Felton...JJ Barea versus Pablo??..Marion of 4 years ago versus today's Amare...Caron Butler versus who???..Couple of other guys I'm missing... chandler was DPOY in NY, am I correct? JR smith was 6th man, am i correct? dallas had neither with dirk.. Jason Terry was 6th man of the year...DHow should have won it the year Tyson did...Tyson as DYOP is hilarious to me, but it was Tyson defense that won them the Chip...It's the reason we overpaid for Tyson...Bron also had a better defensive year than Chandler that year... so now you want to knock chandler to fit your argument.. the difference was dirk.. it is simple.. dirk is a much better player than carmelo... that is what matters... Don't take my word for it, Chandler got destroyed by Hibbert last year in the playoffs..Yes, Hibbert who netted 0 pts and 2 rebs in 2 games against the Hawks..Chandler isn't the same player...So tell me about JKIdd versus Glock Felton, Caron Bultler, Deshawn Stevenson, Barea versus Pablo, Marion versus 20 mins per game, no D Amare...Jason Terry and suspended for weed, I refuse to shoot, JR...
The main thing is how the best players perform....Dirk Rose up in the finals, Melo shrunk in the second round.Players follow their leaders/best players. Dirk was shooting 48% overall...46% from three and a ridiculous 95% at the line. Now if Melo had done any of this during any playoff run, the Knicks would be better regardless of talent on the floor. But nope....37%, 41%, 40% and garbage from three. I agree with you and don't agree with you, Carmelo had a great game 6 vs the Pacers and we still lost, had great playoff series in the past and still lost. Durant as we discussed had a good playoff series against Memphis last year and still lost. Dallas team won not just because of Dirk, Jason Kidd & Terry hit big shots and made veteran savy plays. Which they are known to do throughout there careers. Marion, Chandler, Hayward covers for a lot of Dirk's defensive flaws. Basically the role players allowed Dirk to not have to do to much but focus on doing what he does best which allowed him to elevate his game. If Dirk had to guard the best frontcourt players and create all the offense for his role players game in and game out like many other superstars have been asked to do who haven't won. He would be in the same boat he was in when he lost in the first round as the 1st seed. After getting the MVP mind you. I don't remember any "great" playoff series carmelo has had, he has had some good ones, to be specific, I would say in his 10 years, he had two "good" series.. and having a "great" game 6 is not enough, you have to be consistent because even in the games you played well, you may lose... You have to be consistently good to great to advance and win... especially in the playoffs.. classic example, in a grind it out, competitive series.. paul george shot 46% from the field.. 40% from three, he averaged 24ppg on just 17 shots, 11 rebounds, almost 5 dimes and a little over 2 steals.. those are superstar type numbers.... and he did so while some of the guys had a terrible series, namely hibbert and george hill who was getting beat like a drum by teague... Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
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