actofgod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

actofgod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:What are some examples today?

The Voting Rights Act was recently gutted by the Supreme Court making it easier to discriminate against African Americans exercising their right to vote and to be heard. Some GOP pols have admitted that "voter fraud" was just a smokescreen for their effort to make it harder for blacks to vote. Makes it harder to elect African Americans as well. This article has some good info on the subject.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/republican-voting-rights-supreme-court-id

When the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 to overturn a key section of the Voting Rights Act last June, Justice Ruth Ginsburg warned that getting rid of the measure was like "throwing away your umbrella in a rainstorm because you are not getting wet." The 1965 law required that lawmakers in states with a history of discriminating against minority voters get federal permission before changing voting rules. Now that the Supreme Court has invalidated this requirement, GOP lawmakers across the United States are running buck wild with new voting restrictions.

Before the Shelby County v. Holder decision came down on June 25, Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act required federal review of new voting rules in 15 states, most of them in the South. (In a few of these states, only specific counties or townships were covered.) Chief Justice John Roberts voted to gut the Voting Rights Act on the basis that "our country has changed," and that blanket federal protection wasn't needed to stop discrimination. But the country hasn't changed as much as he may think.

Ok, first of all what you just stated a complete lie. This thread is abundant in thinly-veiled racism, why not cut to the chase and just say that the white man is the devil? smh @ bigots of all colors

I'm white genius and I don't see anything in your infantile response that proves Im wrong.

Ignorance comes in all colors. By all means, continue spewing your ignorance. Voter fraud is not a smoke screen, they just found over 30,000 instances of double voting in North Carolina. No one has admitted that it is just an excuse to limit the black vote. You live in a fantasty world, linking mother jones is the first cue.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2014/04/03/oh-my-evidence-of-massive-voter-fraud-in-north-carolina-n1818137

Just curious, when is the NBA going to care that their own employee, spike lee, has made constant public racist comments? How about their players, such as our own Iman Shumpert, wearing "separatist" clothing? Would they turn a blind eye to a white player wearing "segregationist' clothing?

more double standards abound than you can count

Talk about living in a fantasy, you cite a tea party group?. They investigated that claim and here is what they found...

RALEIGH — The N.C. Board of Elections was already reviewing most of the 27,500 names of people that a Raleigh-based anti-election fraud group says remain registered to vote after they died.

The Voter Integrity Project delivered the names to the elections board on Aug. 31, saying it was concerned about the potential for voting fraud. The board began reviewing the list last Tuesday and determined that it had almost 20,000 of the names from a 10-year audit of data from the state Department of Health and Human Services, said Veronica Degraffenreid, the board’s director of voter registration and absentee voting.

More than one third of those 20,000 names were already listed as inactive, meaning they were on track for removal from the voting rolls, Degraffenreid said.

Of the remaining names provided by the Voter Integrity Project, 4,946 had a match on first and last names and date of birth, Degraffenreid said, and county election boards will investigate to see if they should be removed.

She said that of all the records submitted by the organization, 196 showed voting activity after their date of death, though many of them died within days of the election and had submitted absentee ballots.

“People are concerned about voter fraud, but it is proven that we are not finding evidence of that,” Degraffenreid said. “The Voter Integrity Project has not brought forth any information to show that someone is voting in the name of another, and I think citizens in North Carolina need to be aware of that.”

The list of 27,500 names was compiled by volunteers who compared state death records with voter records by looking at first and last names, addresses and age, Voter Integrity Project Director Jay DeLancy said. They began with last names, then a volunteer would look for potential matches – for example considering an “Elizabeth” and a “Liz” with the same age and address to be a match.

“It took intuition,” DeLancy said. “We trained a lot of volunteers.”

DeLancy said he’s confident that at least 90 percent of the names he delivered should be removed from the rolls.

“I’m not surprised (the board’s) numbers were different, because we had a much lower number the first time we searched, too. We refined and refined and refined again,” he said. “I don’t mean this to sound arrogant, but we would look forward to working with the board of elections and exchange information and help them refine the project, and if we’re wrong, refine ours, because we missed it big.”

The group used “fuzzy matching,” Degraffenreid said. The death data from the Department of Health and Human Services includes age but not a date of birth, which is essential in making matches, she said.

“The Voter Integrity Project doesn’t have really the necessary data to make a determination that a voter is deceased,” Degraffenreid said.

Even a full match doesn’t mean a registered voter has died. Degraffenreid recalled removing a man who matched on first, middle and last names, date of birth and county of residence who turned out to be a different voter. He showed up to the polls and voted a provisional ballot when he was told he had been removed, she said.

Degraffenreid said that in the past five years, counties have removed more than 240,000 voters due to death, and the state elections board is actively working to improve the process.

Meanwhile, cases of fraud remain rare. In 2009, the board referred 29 cases of double voting to county district attorneys, according to a board report. Since 2000, the board has referred one case of voter impersonation, the report states.

The Voter Integrity Project’s list includes the names of North Carolinians who died in other states. They include those who died in Virginia and South Carolina, which account for 55 percent of North Carolina’s out-of-state deaths but are among a handful of states that do not allow death information to be used to maintain another states’ voting rolls.

The board is investigating all of the names DeLancy submitted – including those who died out of state, Degraffenreid said. While the states won’t submit their death certificates, the county election boards will contact family members and coordinate with registers of deeds.

The state elections board did not know that Virginia and South Carolina didn’t report death information for use in maintaining voting rolls until the Voter Integrity Project brought it to its attention in August, Degraffenreid said. The board is drafting a letter to Virginia and South Carolina to request that they change their policies about notifying the board about the deaths of North Carolinians, she said.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/09/21/2334814/nc-elections-board-reviewing-names.html#storylink=cpy

As for your claim that no republican said that it was a smokescreen this republican said under oath..

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/27/fla_republican_we_suppressed_black_votes/

In the deposition, released to the press yesterday, Greer mentioned a December 2009 meeting with party officials. “I was upset because the political consultants and staff were talking about voter suppression and keeping blacks from voting,” he said, according to the Tampa Bay Times. He also said party officials discussed how “minority outreach programs were not fit for the Republican Party,” according to the AP.

The comments, if true (he is facing felony corruption charges and has an interest in scorning his party), would confirm what critics have long suspected. Florida Gov. Rick Scott is currently facing inquiries from the Justice Department and pressure from civil rights groups over his purging of voter rolls in the state, an effort that critics say has disproportionately targeted minorities and other Democratic voters. One group suing the state claims up to 87 percent of the voters purged from the rolls so far have been people of color, though other estimates place that number far lower. Scott has defended the purge, even though he was erroneously listed as dead himself on the rolls in 2006.

As Vanity Fair noted in a big 2004 story on the Sunshine State’s voting problems, “Florida is a state with a history of disenfranchising blacks.” In the state’s notoriously botched 2000 election, the state sent a list of 50,000 alleged ex-felons to the counties, instructing them to purge those names from their rolls. But it turned out that list included 20,000 innocent people, 54 percent of whom were black, the magazine reported. Just 15 percent of the state’s population is black. There were also reports that polling stations in black neighborhoods were understaffed, leading to long lines that kept some people from voting that year. The NAACP and ACLU sued the state over that purge. A Gallup poll in December of 2000 found that 68 percent of African-Americans nationally felt black voters were less likely to have their votes counted fairly in Florida.

Listen to this audio from Bomani Jones, and then let's see if it re-calibrates our definition of "racist":

DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm going to post this in this thread since this one has overtook the original Sterling thread, and we've been chopping it up about systematic racism.

Listen to this audio from Bomani Jones, and then let's see if it re-calibrates our definition of "racist":

MY son a few months back listened to Bomani a few months ago and became fans of his work. That was a very interesting interview!

Does Bomani remind any one of:

Sorry to some if this thread looks like a clearinghouse of gripes of racism, but I agree that the best response to something like the Sterling affair is to make it a teachable moment versus superficial temporary outrage.

GustavBahler wrote:

actofgod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

actofgod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:What are some examples today?

The Voting Rights Act was recently gutted by the Supreme Court making it easier to discriminate against African Americans exercising their right to vote and to be heard. Some GOP pols have admitted that "voter fraud" was just a smokescreen for their effort to make it harder for blacks to vote. Makes it harder to elect African Americans as well. This article has some good info on the subject.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/republican-voting-rights-supreme-court-id

When the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 to overturn a key section of the Voting Rights Act last June, Justice Ruth Ginsburg warned that getting rid of the measure was like "throwing away your umbrella in a rainstorm because you are not getting wet." The 1965 law required that lawmakers in states with a history of discriminating against minority voters get federal permission before changing voting rules. Now that the Supreme Court has invalidated this requirement, GOP lawmakers across the United States are running buck wild with new voting restrictions.

Before the Shelby County v. Holder decision came down on June 25, Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act required federal review of new voting rules in 15 states, most of them in the South. (In a few of these states, only specific counties or townships were covered.) Chief Justice John Roberts voted to gut the Voting Rights Act on the basis that "our country has changed," and that blanket federal protection wasn't needed to stop discrimination. But the country hasn't changed as much as he may think.

Ok, first of all what you just stated a complete lie. This thread is abundant in thinly-veiled racism, why not cut to the chase and just say that the white man is the devil? smh @ bigots of all colors

I'm white genius and I don't see anything in your infantile response that proves Im wrong.

Ignorance comes in all colors. By all means, continue spewing your ignorance. Voter fraud is not a smoke screen, they just found over 30,000 instances of double voting in North Carolina. No one has admitted that it is just an excuse to limit the black vote. You live in a fantasty world, linking mother jones is the first cue.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2014/04/03/oh-my-evidence-of-massive-voter-fraud-in-north-carolina-n1818137

Just curious, when is the NBA going to care that their own employee, spike lee, has made constant public racist comments? How about their players, such as our own Iman Shumpert, wearing "separatist" clothing? Would they turn a blind eye to a white player wearing "segregationist' clothing?

more double standards abound than you can count

Talk about living in a fantasy, you cite a tea party group?. They investigated that claim and here is what they found...

RALEIGH — The N.C. Board of Elections was already reviewing most of the 27,500 names of people that a Raleigh-based anti-election fraud group says remain registered to vote after they died.

The Voter Integrity Project delivered the names to the elections board on Aug. 31, saying it was concerned about the potential for voting fraud. The board began reviewing the list last Tuesday and determined that it had almost 20,000 of the names from a 10-year audit of data from the state Department of Health and Human Services, said Veronica Degraffenreid, the board’s director of voter registration and absentee voting.

More than one third of those 20,000 names were already listed as inactive, meaning they were on track for removal from the voting rolls, Degraffenreid said.

Of the remaining names provided by the Voter Integrity Project, 4,946 had a match on first and last names and date of birth, Degraffenreid said, and county election boards will investigate to see if they should be removed.

She said that of all the records submitted by the organization, 196 showed voting activity after their date of death, though many of them died within days of the election and had submitted absentee ballots.

“People are concerned about voter fraud, but it is proven that we are not finding evidence of that,” Degraffenreid said. “The Voter Integrity Project has not brought forth any information to show that someone is voting in the name of another, and I think citizens in North Carolina need to be aware of that.”

The list of 27,500 names was compiled by volunteers who compared state death records with voter records by looking at first and last names, addresses and age, Voter Integrity Project Director Jay DeLancy said. They began with last names, then a volunteer would look for potential matches – for example considering an “Elizabeth” and a “Liz” with the same age and address to be a match.

“It took intuition,” DeLancy said. “We trained a lot of volunteers.”

DeLancy said he’s confident that at least 90 percent of the names he delivered should be removed from the rolls.

“I’m not surprised (the board’s) numbers were different, because we had a much lower number the first time we searched, too. We refined and refined and refined again,” he said. “I don’t mean this to sound arrogant, but we would look forward to working with the board of elections and exchange information and help them refine the project, and if we’re wrong, refine ours, because we missed it big.”

The group used “fuzzy matching,” Degraffenreid said. The death data from the Department of Health and Human Services includes age but not a date of birth, which is essential in making matches, she said.

“The Voter Integrity Project doesn’t have really the necessary data to make a determination that a voter is deceased,” Degraffenreid said.

Even a full match doesn’t mean a registered voter has died. Degraffenreid recalled removing a man who matched on first, middle and last names, date of birth and county of residence who turned out to be a different voter. He showed up to the polls and voted a provisional ballot when he was told he had been removed, she said.

Degraffenreid said that in the past five years, counties have removed more than 240,000 voters due to death, and the state elections board is actively working to improve the process.

Meanwhile, cases of fraud remain rare. In 2009, the board referred 29 cases of double voting to county district attorneys, according to a board report. Since 2000, the board has referred one case of voter impersonation, the report states.

The Voter Integrity Project’s list includes the names of North Carolinians who died in other states. They include those who died in Virginia and South Carolina, which account for 55 percent of North Carolina’s out-of-state deaths but are among a handful of states that do not allow death information to be used to maintain another states’ voting rolls.

The board is investigating all of the names DeLancy submitted – including those who died out of state, Degraffenreid said. While the states won’t submit their death certificates, the county election boards will contact family members and coordinate with registers of deeds.

The state elections board did not know that Virginia and South Carolina didn’t report death information for use in maintaining voting rolls until the Voter Integrity Project brought it to its attention in August, Degraffenreid said. The board is drafting a letter to Virginia and South Carolina to request that they change their policies about notifying the board about the deaths of North Carolinians, she said.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/09/21/2334814/nc-elections-board-reviewing-names.html#storylink=cpy

As for your claim that no republican said that it was a smokescreen this republican said under oath..

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/27/fla_republican_we_suppressed_black_votes/

In the deposition, released to the press yesterday, Greer mentioned a December 2009 meeting with party officials. “I was upset because the political consultants and staff were talking about voter suppression and keeping blacks from voting,” he said, according to the Tampa Bay Times. He also said party officials discussed how “minority outreach programs were not fit for the Republican Party,” according to the AP.

The comments, if true (he is facing felony corruption charges and has an interest in scorning his party), would confirm what critics have long suspected. Florida Gov. Rick Scott is currently facing inquiries from the Justice Department and pressure from civil rights groups over his purging of voter rolls in the state, an effort that critics say has disproportionately targeted minorities and other Democratic voters. One group suing the state claims up to 87 percent of the voters purged from the rolls so far have been people of color, though other estimates place that number far lower. Scott has defended the purge, even though he was erroneously listed as dead himself on the rolls in 2006.

As Vanity Fair noted in a big 2004 story on the Sunshine State’s voting problems, “Florida is a state with a history of disenfranchising blacks.” In the state’s notoriously botched 2000 election, the state sent a list of 50,000 alleged ex-felons to the counties, instructing them to purge those names from their rolls. But it turned out that list included 20,000 innocent people, 54 percent of whom were black, the magazine reported. Just 15 percent of the state’s population is black. There were also reports that polling stations in black neighborhoods were understaffed, leading to long lines that kept some people from voting that year. The NAACP and ACLU sued the state over that purge. A Gallup poll in December of 2000 found that 68 percent of African-Americans nationally felt black voters were less likely to have their votes counted fairly in Florida.

More Proof of the Conservative Lies about the need for Voter ID:

A federal judge in Wisconsin has struck down that state's Voter ID law.
District Judge Lynn Adelman ruled that the state didn't make a compelling case that voter fraud exists and needs to be combated. He also ruled that it's not clear that it would be easy for people without valid photo ID to obtain it and said the law unduly targets minority voters.
"The evidence at trial established that virtually no voter impersonation occurs in Wisconsin," Adelman wrote. "The defendants could not point to a single instance of known voter impersonation occurring in Wisconsin at any time in the recent past."
The decision comes a week after an Arkansas judge struck down that state's new Voter ID law. The Justice Department is also challenging such laws in North Carolina and Texas.
The rulings in Arkansas and Wisconsin are expected to be appealed. Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) said his state is reviewing its options.

The main reason for these laws is because of the fact that Blacks Vote Democrat and the Majority of Blacks live in the Confederate States in the South and Cities in the North due to the great Migration out of the South in the 40's.

DrAlphaeus wrote:And the irony: the GOP — the Party of Lincoln — was founded in part to fight for the containment and/or abolition of slavery, and the Democrats were the pro-slavery party. Those black elected officials in Reconstruction you talked about were Republicans. The switchover of Black folks to the Democrats started with Roosevelt and caught speed with the "Southern Strategy" of the 60s. I remember talking to an older black professional I used to commute with who was still a Republican because his family had been since they got the vote. And I resent that Democrats take the Black vote for granted. I wish the GOP would look at their own history and learn from it!

Check out this new trick they have down here. They've gone to these Non Partisan elections where it's harder to know who is against you simply by party affiliation.

State Rep. Allen Peake said Thursday he knew there would be criticism from the community when he and other members of Bibb County’s legislative delegation changed partisan elections to nonpartisan for the new Macon-Bibb County consolidated government.

Still, “If it came up today, I would do it all again,” he said.

Peake, R-Macon, addressed more than 30 members of the Macon Exchange Club, talking about the nonpartisan special election that’s set for Sept. 17.

He said he and other Republican members of the delegation decided to switch to nonpartisan elections earlier this year for several reasons, even though last year’s consolidation bill called for a partisan vote.

“For whatever reason, I’ve become a real polarizing figure,” Peake told those gathered. “I hope going to nonpartisan elections eliminates a lot of division in the community. We’re all one government now. That was kind of the intent of this.”

Peake and others, including state Sen. Cecil Staton, R-Macon, drew protests over the change, with officials such as state Sen. David Lucas, D-Macon, referring to it as a “bait-and-switch” action.

The Bibb County Democratic Party and other members of the community appealed to the Department of Justice, asking it to block the move, but the appeal became moot after the Supreme Court struck down part of the 1965 Voting Rights Act that made prior approval of such voting changes mandatory.

Lucas and others also maintained that Republicans were marginalizing black voting.

Read more here: http://www.macon.com/2013/07/25/2573817/peake-stands-by-decision-to-switch.html#storylink=cpy

Despite the fact that this is 2014 the White Power structure still pulls dirty tricks in order to stay in power. They know that minorities are less organized and not as sophisticated in all the ways you can game the system. It's not that Democrats take Black vote for granted. It's just that they aren't as vicious about winning as Conservatives have always been. They're not above cheating and lying to win elections. Progressives just aren't on that level and never have been. Imagine if the Republicans weren't obstructing Obama since day one? If they allowed the Jobs Act to pass and other things Progressives have tried to improve, things would be MUCH better right now. The Conservatives will never give up. They've never willingly done anything to help minorities. Every major change came at the point of a gun. The End of Slavery. The desegregation of schools. The Vote.

I know that things would be much different for African Americans if there wasn't a group of people determined to keep them from succeeding as a group. I know my family has been stunted in it's growth over the last hundred plus years and it's documented. We're as American as anyone else and yet not fully realized and accepted as such by some. Despite the blood and sweat of my ancestors who helped make this country wealthy and my forefathers who were in the wars of this country. IMO this country owes us much and they failed to deliver on their promises. Then I have to see how they treat Obama and Holder and I do start to lose a bit of hope. After so long things are still not right. I look at the past and compare to the present and I see FAR too much similarity even tho it's not as violently drastic. The inequities are still there and systematic.

Living down in the South has really opened my eyes to the truth. The racist system has done serious damage and I can't say how long it would take to overcome given that it's still going on. If it was over and there wasn't a vested effort to stymie progress maybe we'd have a chance, but...

actofgod wrote:

nixluva wrote:Yea that's NEVER going to happen. Those Old Dixiecrats are all in the Republican Party now. All those Bigots are in the Republican Party now. They know that there is an untapped trove of MILLIONS of Black voters in the southern states that they don't want suddenly voting in larger numbers.

Check out this new trick they have down here. They've gone to these Non Partisan elections where it's harder to know who is against you simply by party affiliation.

More lies, you guys are incredible. No one changed parties, and the exodus of southern white males from the D to R has been documented to have begun far before the 'southern strategy' lie that liberals like you perpetuate. Additionally, i find it hilarious that no one seemed to care that democrat KKK member Robert Byrd was held in such high regard up until the day he died.

There is no proof that anyone changed parties from D to R, you're regurgitating bs lies because this board is largely race-obsessed, liberal and unsophisticated as to politics and history. Been lurking here for the better part of 10 years, no one ever calls out the lies and bs that is spewn here.

No one is "against you" simply by party affiliation. you're a delusional fool.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/magazine/10Section2b.t-4.html?_r=0

The Myth of ‘the Southern Strategy’

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2787426/posts

ANOTHER LIBERAL LIE EXPOSED: The Myth of the Southern Strategy

http://pundithouse.com/2011/06/the-southern-strategy-is-a-lie/

The “Southern Strategy” is a Lie

ps - black voter turnout increased after GA enacted their voter ID laws.

not having that type of broad generalization, you are absolutely wrong and completely diminish your own talking points by your own words and the sites your link to - obvious and myopic right leaning publications that have no real substance to them, even the NYT article is a report on 2 authors' opinion about a particular situation.

If you want to convince or have some sort of meaningful back-and-forth - most are ignoring you, check out the responses - feel free to not blindly attach and state with better information and sites that have better heft. If all you want to do if cry "lies" and hurl some other name-calling, please don't participate.