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IronWillGiroud
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4/21/2014  7:33 AM
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IronWillGiroud wrote:Jordan sucked before phil jax he dropped buckets but couldnt win in a peanut race

Jordan sucked, Melo sucks, Chandler sucks....You really need to take a long break from the board. You add nothing....

How many playoffs series does Jordan win before Phil?

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4/21/2014  8:07 AM
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smackeddog wrote:I think Kerr will be an awful coach- he just doesn't seem to have charisma, leadership, intelligence or experience. I've never liked him in any of his roles.

Phil said Mj made a mistake with the bobcats in just hiring people who agreed with him- hope he's not making the same mistake.

He had enough intelligence and foresight to give MDA an ultimatum (hire a defensive coach or get fired) while everyone else was holding MDA up on a pedestal. What are you basing your assessment of Kerr on?

Is that really groundbreaking stuff though??..To understand you aren't winning rings without defense??

Groundbreaking? No! But the fact that he made an actual BB decision from the seat of a GM gives him more merit and a better resume than MJax when he was hired.....Not to mention the 5 rings....

I think most agree that Mark Jackson was destined for coaching...Kerr coaching is a surprise to most...

I think Jordan and Duncan are wining those rings Kerr or no Kerr..

Care to elaborate on the bolded? Is it because MJax was a pg? Kerr looks like a choir boy so he doesn't have the look?

No, everyone talked about Mark Jackson becoming a coach while he was playing..Everyone said that he had the makeup and qualities of a good coach..People said the same things about Kidd..No one said this about Kerr..Kerr seem like a quiet dude who said very little..He wasn't a big orchestrator of any offense on any team he played for..His role was well defined, a spot up shooter..Jackson was deemed to be a coach on the floor at times, like Kidd..

Unless you were in the lockerroom how can you know?

Look at the career of PhilJax, did anyone think this free thinker, a nonconformist would "EVOLVE" into the most successful coach in the history of the NBA? That Willis Reed, a leader of men would not be a good coach?

Steve Kerr has been a winner who over came adversity of injury, personal loss, and has been associated with winning most of his career. Many Role players have evolved into great coach's.

Im rolling with whom ever Phil picks. I just don't think as a fan I have that much insight into predetermining who will rise and be the next big thing or not.

Lets not ride the Jason Kidd thing too far just yet. The team is laden with talent and super deep. HE turned a chaotic situation around but with epic salary cap figure and 2-3 deep roster its not that crazy. I like the job he has done and he has much growth ahead of him.

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4/21/2014  8:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/21/2014  8:23 AM
And Holfresh couldn't you say the same about Scottie brooks. He had an even smaller role as a player than Kerr
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4/21/2014  8:59 AM
CLeamons and Rambis failed in their first try and while Im not that familiar with Cleamons hire/fire, its clear Rambis did not have Khan's blessing and had to convert Johnny flynn into a Triangle leader in his rookie year.

I'll take a triangle guy who was a long time assistant to Phil, and with Phil running the show would have management's backing.

Thats a formula.

Joe Torre was a two time retread with a mixed career before he landed on the yankees. Was he a great manager or did he have a great group of players? Both.

And once established he had the cred.

Cred alone don't always work. Just ask Lenny, Isiah, Larry, and MDA.

Phil did elevate Kobe/JOrdan from allstar to MVP type. You need players!!!!!!!

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4/21/2014  9:09 AM
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Clemons would be a retread. He already failed in Denver. He will never garner the proper respect from the players whereas. I think hiring Cleamons as lead assistant is a great idea. Kerr will really benefit from a staff consisting of Phil's guys

gunsnewing - you absolutely, positively cannot throw out an random opinion without backing it up with some factorial evidence.

1. What is your criteria for defining how any set of players would respect a head coach?

2. What characteristics does Steve Kerr exhibit that make him superior to Jim Cleamons?

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4/21/2014  9:11 AM
Did Cleamons try to run the triangle in Miinesota? I don't think Shaw is running it in Denver. I would think they bring Phil's style of dealing with players but they run their own systems. The beauty of Phil as president is he can get the whole band together and legitimately run the triangle. It's as if Phil is still on the sidelines as the coaching staff would be an extension of him. My guess is not everyone can be successf running the triangle and that's part of the reason he said the triangle has been maligned. It's the respect that Phil garners from his too players and how he gets them to buy in to a total team concept and specific roles. This is going to be a joy to watch unfold. I honestly believe the Knicks are steering in the direction of great professional sports franchises like the spurs, patriots and giants
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4/21/2014  9:14 AM
You Make The Call

gunsnewing - forget the names, would you rather have a first time coach or a coach who has worked in the trenches seated next to Phil Jackson?

Please state your reasons why.

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4/21/2014  9:14 AM
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Clemons would be a retread. He already failed in Denver. He will never garner the proper respect from the players whereas. I think hiring Cleamons as lead assistant is a great idea. Kerr will really benefit from a staff consisting of Phil's guys

gunsnewing - you absolutely, positively cannot throw out an random opinion without backing it up with some factorial evidence.

1. What is your criteria for defining how any set of players would respect a head coach?

2. What characteristics does Steve Kerr exhibit that make him superior to Jim Cleamons?

You are right. Phil May very well go with Cleamons or Rambis. If he does I trust he made what he thinks is the best decision. Like others have said Phil knows these guys better than any of us.

If he goes will Kerr you will not get behind Phil?

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4/21/2014  9:15 AM
IronWillGiroud wrote:
Uptown wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:Jordan sucked before phil jax he dropped buckets but couldnt win in a peanut race

Jordan sucked, Melo sucks, Chandler sucks....You really need to take a long break from the board. You add nothing....

How many playoffs series does Jordan win before Phil?

I know he beat Rick Patino's Knicks in the playoffs.

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4/21/2014  9:17 AM
In Uncle Phil I Trust

gunsnewing - of course Phil knows what his criteria for head coach is. You never answered question 1 or 2.

1. What is your criteria for defining how any set of players would respect a head coach?

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4/21/2014  9:26 AM
misterearl wrote:You Make The Call

gunsnewing - forget the names, would you rather have a first time coach or a coach who has worked in the trenches seated next to Phil Jackson?

Please state your reasons why.

A lot of coaches worked in the trenches and once they became head coach they lacked the ability to lead. We don't know how Kerr will fair but in my eyes he will be an extension of Phil and therefore the players will respect him knowing that Phil has his back. It really doesn't matter who coaches. The coach just has to execute the game plan. Personally as I stated throughout the year I want a good young coaching mind who understands today's NBA, the cap and the way the game has changed. As opposed to coaches who are stuck in a time warp somewhere between 1975-1978. I want guys like Thibs Vogel & Stots. The most intriguing thing about Kerr to me is that he has experience as GM and knows the inner workings of acquiring players that fit. Raymond Felon would not be he Knicks starting PG if Kerr was the coach. Grunwald went after the players Woodson wanted. Kerr says no to Bargnani. Woodson has no concept of building a team. He thinks like most old skool coaches. Get me the guy and I will mold him into a player. NBA has changed and analytics is taken very seriously

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4/21/2014  9:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/21/2014  9:34 AM
Again in Cleamons and Rambis case they did not have the whole band together on the sidelines. Most importantly did not have the support from upstairs. With Phil as president every guy on that bench will be on the same page. I believe Phil will be very active in practice early on. Much lol Riley was with spoeltra early. Kerr loses 3 in a row and the team starts questioning Kerr. Ala Wade vs spoeltra, Phil will be there to settle the team down. Phil won't go on ever road trip but his presense will be huge.

Earl, go back a fee years tell me, who is Eric Spoelstra?

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4/21/2014  9:37 AM
Woodson has no concept of building a team.

Dude, your agenda is showing. Mike Woodson was not the General Manager, nor did he have the final say in transactions. Unless you are claiming that Mike Woodson played a role in turning down Kyle Lowry, you might want to re-think who determined the Knicks roster composition.

I want guys like Thibs Vogel & Stots.

gunsnewing - Are you paying attention? Vogel has lost the Pacers. You really support how the Pacers showed against the Hawks in game one?

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4/21/2014  9:39 AM
The Answer Man Gets A Fastball Down The Middle

Q. gunsnewing - who is Eric Spoelstra?

A. Richie Rich. The beneficiary of having three stars, one super, and the other two pretty damn good.

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4/21/2014  9:45 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/21/2014  10:00 AM
Exactly it doesn't really matter who the coach is or how much experience he has. He will by molded by Phil Jackson early on. Steve Kerr in year 1 will not be Steve Kerr in year 5. Chances are the roster won't be good enough to to contend til yr 4-5. The more years go by the more respect Spoelstra garners and he less Riley needs to defuse slumps
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4/21/2014  9:46 AM
misterearl wrote:Woodson has no concept of building a team.

Dude, your agenda is showing. Mike Woodson was not the General Manager, nor did he have the final say in transactions. Unless you are claiming that Mike Woodson played a role in turning down Kyle Lowry, you might want to re-think who determined the Knicks roster composition.

I want guys like Thibs Vogel & Stots.

gunsnewing - Are you paying attention? Vogel has lost the Pacers. You really support how the Pacers showed against the Hawks in game one?

One game = as small a sample size as you will find

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4/21/2014  9:52 AM
The bigger issue than who dons the fantasy Armani suit on the sidelines is what direction does Phil take this team player personnel wise? Does he adhere to the unspoken pressure from Dolan and the Stephen A, spike lees that fill the garden and go for the quick fix which would make him no different than Isiah with the exception of maybe actually making the playoffs on system alone. Or does he build a sustainable contender?
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4/21/2014  9:57 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
misterearl wrote:Woodson has no concept of building a team.

Dude, your agenda is showing. Mike Woodson was not the General Manager, nor did he have the final say in transactions. Unless you are claiming that Mike Woodson played a role in turning down Kyle Lowry, you might want to re-think who determined the Knicks roster composition.

I want guys like Thibs Vogel & Stots.

gunsnewing - Are you paying attention? Vogel has lost the Pacers. You really support how the Pacers showed against the Hawks in game one?

One game = as small a sample size as you will find

gunsnewing, do you follow the season or just throw stuff out without thinking? The idea is to finish the season strong. The Pacers have been sleepwalking to the point of having multiple closed door meetings, national media questions and obvious dissent in the locker room. I thought you wanted a coach who was respected by the players. The Indiana team gets no respect for the way the have played down the stretch for Vogel.

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4/21/2014  10:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/21/2014  10:05 AM
gunsnewing - please stop the drama.

Does he adhere to the unspoken pressure from Dolan and the Stephen A, spike lees that fill the garden and go for the quick fix which would make him no different than Isiah with the exception of maybe actually making the playoffs on system alone. Or does he build a sustainable contender?

Phil is thinking about his legacy as a Knicks player, championship coach and now, an executive. As always, his drivers are his intuition and instincts.

He would have never accepted the job if he was not in total control.

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4/21/2014  10:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/21/2014  10:05 AM
Talk to me once the Indiana/Atlanta series is over. I'm not going to throw away Vogels accomplishments after 1 game. Finished 3rd in the east last year and 1st this year.

Indiana took the Heat to 7 last year. Hibbert was a beast throughout the playoffs in large part due to Vogel. Nevermind the development of George and Stephenson

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