jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.

+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.

I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.

He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.

Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?

replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.

in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.

In case you haven't read things lately, the only quote regarding direction we have from PJax the Saviour is "getting talent". It isn't "getting yoots".
Or "amassing draft picks while I turn 70 and feel the rest of my bone structure deteriorating". He's going to go starphucking. Welcome to NYC.

Yeah, Melo made this bed. 3 maybe 4 years in the playoffs after a decade plus drought. Some of the best individual performances since Ewing. What a sheethole experience he's left us so far.

How exactly, has Melo made THJr worse? Ray Felton is worse because of Melo? How's Stat look to you lately? Worse? ChanglingFluBoy is worse because of Melo? JR is worse? Are you seriously going to blame the flaming out of Iman on Melo? Prigs can't dunk because Melo is hogging the paths to the rim, right?

SMH

he does not mesh well with others, never has. the entire time he has been here has been an attempt to cater to his one alleged "strength," namely scoring. he is not a complete player and as such makes others around him worse because he does not do anything else well enough to make up for his way of scoring. it's not THAT he scores but HOW he scores that has always been the problem.

jackson may find a way to teach an old dog new tricks and i will leave that for him to decide, especially if melo is serious about winning in new york and by serious i mean remains a knick at a substantial discount.

you like to place blame on other players but that is just a wrong way to understand this game. if he knew how to play FOR others we would not be having this conversation.

Another Jackson heard from.

If the Knicks do make it to the postseason — and that remains a big if, despite the Hawks’ problems — some around the league consider them a dangerous opponent. Mark Jackson, the coach of the Warriors, cited Anthony as an enormous factor, impossible to ignore.
“You got a home run hitter in your lineup,” Jackson said. “You got a guy that’s capable of winning games single-handedly, a guy who makes everyone around him better.”

A CAA village idiot, obviously.

Too bad he doesn't know what you know.

he's a coach of an opponent and is no longer a color commentator. what do you expect him to say?

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.

+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.

I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.

He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.

Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?

replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.

in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.

In case you haven't read things lately, the only quote regarding direction we have from PJax the Saviour is "getting talent". It isn't "getting yoots".
Or "amassing draft picks while I turn 70 and feel the rest of my bone structure deteriorating". He's going to go starphucking. Welcome to NYC.

Yeah, Melo made this bed. 3 maybe 4 years in the playoffs after a decade plus drought. Some of the best individual performances since Ewing. What a sheethole experience he's left us so far.

How exactly, has Melo made THJr worse? Ray Felton is worse because of Melo? How's Stat look to you lately? Worse? ChanglingFluBoy is worse because of Melo? JR is worse? Are you seriously going to blame the flaming out of Iman on Melo? Prigs can't dunk because Melo is hogging the paths to the rim, right?

SMH

he does not mesh well with others, never has. the entire time he has been here has been an attempt to cater to his one alleged "strength," namely scoring. he is not a complete player and as such makes others around him worse because he does not do anything else well enough to make up for his way of scoring. it's not THAT he scores but HOW he scores that has always been the problem.

jackson may find a way to teach an old dog new tricks and i will leave that for him to decide, especially if melo is serious about winning in new york and by serious i mean remains a knick at a substantial discount.

you like to place blame on other players but that is just a wrong way to understand this game. if he knew how to play FOR others we would not be having this conversation.

Another Jackson heard from.

If the Knicks do make it to the postseason — and that remains a big if, despite the Hawks’ problems — some around the league consider them a dangerous opponent. Mark Jackson, the coach of the Warriors, cited Anthony as an enormous factor, impossible to ignore.
“You got a home run hitter in your lineup,” Jackson said. “You got a guy that’s capable of winning games single-handedly, a guy who makes everyone around him better.”

A CAA village idiot, obviously.

Too bad he doesn't know what you know.

he's a coach of an opponent and is no longer a color commentator. what do you expect him to say?

You expected him to say that? You expected anyone to say that?

Seriously, do another Carmelo Stat line thread. It might just be therapeutic for you.

fishmike wrote:jrod.. post where JVG says the Knicks should part ways with Melo and they will say "see! someone knows!"

My favorite DK exchange was this:
fish: dk, if Melo sucks so bad how does he make the AS game every year?
dk: popularity contest. Unlike all NBA voting which is by writers and broadcasters who are in the know
fish: But Melo was 2nd all team NBA, and he beat out Paul George (who was 3rd).
dk: they got it wrong.

Its pretty simple: If someone knocks Melo's game or the Knicks that person is spot on. If they compliment Melo there will be a spooge of reasons why its a garbage comment.

you make it out like i think melo is a bad player. he isn't-- he's just overrated. now if he could play consistently then he wouldn't be overrated. if he had a better balance of usage to assist rate he wouldn't be overrated. but out of all his so-called peers his numbers flag. if he gave consistent effort every game on the defensive end he would not be overrated. he is more than a notch below his so-called peers there too. if he had poise he would not be overrated. if he went to the line over ten times a game he would not be overrated. if he led his teams in hustle stats he would not be overrated.

but he doesn't do any of these things consistently-- so he is overrated. he does just well enough to make all-star teams and get his teams into the playoffs. but beyond that he has been very very bad. who knows... maybe phil jackson sees more potential in melo to develop than i do. i trust his judgement more than my own. where i will probably take issue is how much money jackson decides to pay melo. melo was vastly overpaid the first go round with the knicks.

in a results-oriented business you and many others have set the bar way too low with your expectations.

most statisticians do not like melo's game for the simple reason that in most advanced stats areas he simply fails. if you look at his career in the playoffs the advanced stats pretty much mirror his failures. his one success was with billups and his advanced stats in the playoffs with billups were acceptable.

the nba allstar game is in fact a popularity context. you look foolish touting this as some sort of accomplishment. and paul george is closer to being a complete player, an all-round player, an all-nba player than carmelo anthony. if you want to argue that point go right ahead.

he's about to turn 24.

23m+
10m (2015 UFA's, grabbing players like Kevin Love or LA)
10m (2016 with Durant and Noah especially for the triangle if we intend to run it)
25m+
25m+

If not, I would look to trade him to Houston for Lin/Asik, multiple picks like 2 2nd rounders in this summer and 1-2 more future picks (possibly our own future 2nd rounder or/and 1-2 1st rounders

in 2015 target ALL STARS like

Kevin Love or LaMarcus Aldridge at the max of 15m+ (that is about the max they can make)

and players at the right price whether "STARS" or "role players"

in 2016 target

Durant
Noah

maybe Wilson Chandler back at the right price

It will be a couple year process, including focusing on development of young players, and running/learning a system/philosophy
I believe we need to tear down this team, preserve cap space, and get as many future young development players to play TEAM basketball that we can mold

DeAndre Kane/Delon Wright (Ron Harper to mentor and develop them as an assistant or development coach)
SG (Wilson Chandler, Tim Hardaway JR, Smith or whoever stays)
Durant
Love/ Aldridge or CA if he stays
Noah

MLE this summer
2015 1st rounder
Room exemption in 2015
multiple picks in players like Jordan Bachynski, Alec Brown (depending if and what we can trade CA, Tyson Chandler, Iman Shumpert and others on our roster)
solid vet min players like James Johnson, Gereld Green, Alrich/Tyler or continued development players (Jamalle Hagins), and solid role players (maybe STAT at the vet min)