smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Watching him right now--the owners of the Raptors arent trading this player. Dolan made a HUGE HUGE mistake not listening on this one.

How much is he going to get paid after this season though? What happens when his athleticism starts to decline in a season or two? He's injury prone too. What happens in 2018- if Melo re-signed he'd be at the end of his career and Lowry on the decline, if Melo didn't re-sign we'd be rebuilding- that would likely be a high pick. I'd love to have him on the Knicks, but it comes at too high a price.

when you look at the FA teams, only ones that really need a pg are lakers + orlando + milwaukee and possibly utah (although with trey burke, it's not a pressing need).

then factor in lowry's comfortability factor as he is on the same page with the org and is good with the coach. he is given a leadership role that he's embraced.

lakers are the wildcard...but they might have their eyes set on a bigger catch. so if the lakers are not in it, i can see him re-signing in toronto for 3 years $30 mil with a 4th year option to make it $40-42 mil with a buyout. it's a great situation for him.

lowry is going to turn 28 at the end of march. he has a good 3 years left - and if he continues to hit the 3 like he is doing now, then maybe longer.

ujiri talking to lowry's agent before the nets game:

ujiri hugging lowry after the nets game:

if he does walk, we still have that $8-10 mil salary slot to take on a deal from a team in exchange for a pick. so regardless of whether he's traded now or walks this summer, we are going to pay someone that $8-10 mil slot next season.

djsunyc wrote:lowry is not a guy like chris paul that will use the pick and roll, dissect a defense and find an open guy with creative passing. he is a true quarterback that moves the ball and busts his tail out there. he is a leader and he is fighting for rebounds and taking charges. he is not afraid to shoot and has hit a ton of big shots. i said it earlier, he's the new age billups.

Nice accessment. That is Billups for sure

he can come in and slash for us.

that's all you need, another scorer, when lowry is hot he can drop buckets like melo, jr can't do what lowry do

playa2 wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Watching him right now--the owners of the Raptors arent trading this player. Dolan made a HUGE HUGE mistake not listening on this one.

How much is he going to get paid after this season though? What happens when his athleticism starts to decline in a season or two? He's injury prone too. What happens in 2018- if Melo re-signed he'd be at the end of his career and Lowry on the decline, if Melo didn't re-sign we'd be rebuilding- that would likely be a high pick. I'd love to have him on the Knicks, but it comes at too high a price.

when you look at the FA teams, only ones that really need a pg are lakers + orlando + milwaukee and possibly utah (although with trey burke, it's not a pressing need).

then factor in lowry's comfortability factor as he is on the same page with the org and is good with the coach. he is given a leadership role that he's embraced.

lakers are the wildcard...but they might have their eyes set on a bigger catch. so if the lakers are not in it, i can see him re-signing in toronto for 3 years $30 mil with a 4th year option to make it $40-42 mil with a buyout. it's a great situation for him.

lowry is going to turn 28 at the end of march. he has a good 3 years left - and if he continues to hit the 3 like he is doing now, then maybe longer.

ujiri talking to lowry's agent before the nets game:

ujiri hugging lowry after the nets game:

if he does walk, we still have that $8-10 mil salary slot to take on a deal from a team in exchange for a pick. so regardless of whether he's traded now or walks this summer, we are going to pay someone that $8-10 mil slot next season.

Even Judas gave Jesus a kiss on the cheek before he betrayed him.

In a few weeks he'll be tweeting this:

ITS BUMP DAY ... not calling anyone out ... just looking at then and now

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Watching him right now--the owners of the Raptors arent trading this player. Dolan made a HUGE HUGE mistake not listening on this one.

How much is he going to get paid after this season though? What happens when his athleticism starts to decline in a season or two? He's injury prone too. What happens in 2018- if Melo re-signed he'd be at the end of his career and Lowry on the decline, if Melo didn't re-sign we'd be rebuilding- that would likely be a high pick. I'd love to have him on the Knicks, but it comes at too high a price.

Whatever player we get this FA which we will pay more for will not be as good as Lowry.

absolutely agree

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Watching him right now--the owners of the Raptors arent trading this player. Dolan made a HUGE HUGE mistake not listening on this one.

How much is he going to get paid after this season though? What happens when his athleticism starts to decline in a season or two? He's injury prone too. What happens in 2018- if Melo re-signed he'd be at the end of his career and Lowry on the decline, if Melo didn't re-sign we'd be rebuilding- that would likely be a high pick. I'd love to have him on the Knicks, but it comes at too high a price.

Whatever player we get this FA which we will pay more for will not be as good as Lowry.

By 2018, if Lowry had declined (likely), we could be drafting a player that's better than him with a top pick. That's what people keep overlooking. We had to stop trading firsts plain and simple. What happened if we traded for Lowry, he clashed, hated it here and signed with the heat? No Lowry, no 2018 pick.

sorry dude.

you are way wrong on this one.

everyone would do this trade given a rewind button.

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Watching him right now--the owners of the Raptors arent trading this player. Dolan made a HUGE HUGE mistake not listening on this one.

How much is he going to get paid after this season though? What happens when his athleticism starts to decline in a season or two? He's injury prone too. What happens in 2018- if Melo re-signed he'd be at the end of his career and Lowry on the decline, if Melo didn't re-sign we'd be rebuilding- that would likely be a high pick. I'd love to have him on the Knicks, but it comes at too high a price.

Whatever player we get this FA which we will pay more for will not be as good as Lowry.

By 2018, if Lowry had declined (likely), we could be drafting a player that's better than him with a top pick. That's what people keep overlooking. We had to stop trading firsts plain and simple. What happened if we traded for Lowry, he clashed, hated it here and signed with the heat? No Lowry, no 2018 pick.

sorry dude.

you are way wrong on this one.

everyone would do this trade given a rewind button.

You talk about learning from our mistakes, but if it was up to you, come 2018 we'd be handing over another lottery pick.

F500ONE wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Watching him right now--the owners of the Raptors arent trading this player. Dolan made a HUGE HUGE mistake not listening on this one.

How much is he going to get paid after this season though? What happens when his athleticism starts to decline in a season or two? He's injury prone too. What happens in 2018- if Melo re-signed he'd be at the end of his career and Lowry on the decline, if Melo didn't re-sign we'd be rebuilding- that would likely be a high pick. I'd love to have him on the Knicks, but it comes at too high a price.

Whatever player we get this FA which we will pay more for will not be as good as Lowry.

By 2018, if Lowry had declined (likely), we could be drafting a player that's better than him with a top pick. That's what people keep overlooking. We had to stop trading firsts plain and simple. What happened if we traded for Lowry, he clashed, hated it here and signed with the heat? No Lowry, no 2018 pick.

sorry dude.

you are way wrong on this one.

everyone would do this trade given a rewind button.

especially since in his own words wanted to be here and expected to be. I do understand folks resisting trading the 1st rounder though. But he certainly wasnt gonna walk, he wanted to be a Knick, openly admitted he didnt like Toronto.

Why would anyone fret over a future 1st

Which the earliest would have been 2018 if they

Honestly feel this team will be good well before then

Particularly with him here, then the double standard used

Of fearing losing him in free agency, why would we lose

Him isn't New York an attractive place and wouldn't

We have wanted to keep him had we made the playoffs

The only fear in losing a 1st would be fearing nothing Phil does works

From now until 2018, you can't have it both ways

And no I don't want to hear anything about how important

A Top 25-30 pick will be in 2018 as we should be competing for

A Chip, the pick would have no major impact much the same

Our pick this yr lottery premium value may take 2-3yrs

To take hold on this team, once again can't have it both ways

This argument is how we've justified trading one 1st round pick for Othella Harrington (Jamaal Tinsley), two 1st round picks for Marbury (Kirk Snyder and Gordon Heyward), two 1st round picks for Eddy Curry (LaMarcus Aldridge and Joakim Noah), one 1st round pick (Dario Saric) and the option to swap for Melo, and another 1st round pick for Bargnani.

Really, if there's anything we should have learned over the last 15 years it's that there's no reason we shouldn't still be terrible several years from now.

VCoug wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Watching him right now--the owners of the Raptors arent trading this player. Dolan made a HUGE HUGE mistake not listening on this one.

How much is he going to get paid after this season though? What happens when his athleticism starts to decline in a season or two? He's injury prone too. What happens in 2018- if Melo re-signed he'd be at the end of his career and Lowry on the decline, if Melo didn't re-sign we'd be rebuilding- that would likely be a high pick. I'd love to have him on the Knicks, but it comes at too high a price.

Whatever player we get this FA which we will pay more for will not be as good as Lowry.

By 2018, if Lowry had declined (likely), we could be drafting a player that's better than him with a top pick. That's what people keep overlooking. We had to stop trading firsts plain and simple. What happened if we traded for Lowry, he clashed, hated it here and signed with the heat? No Lowry, no 2018 pick.

sorry dude.

you are way wrong on this one.

everyone would do this trade given a rewind button.

especially since in his own words wanted to be here and expected to be. I do understand folks resisting trading the 1st rounder though. But he certainly wasnt gonna walk, he wanted to be a Knick, openly admitted he didnt like Toronto.

Why would anyone fret over a future 1st

Which the earliest would have been 2018 if they

Honestly feel this team will be good well before then

Particularly with him here, then the double standard used

Of fearing losing him in free agency, why would we lose

Him isn't New York an attractive place and wouldn't

We have wanted to keep him had we made the playoffs

The only fear in losing a 1st would be fearing nothing Phil does works

From now until 2018, you can't have it both ways

And no I don't want to hear anything about how important

A Top 25-30 pick will be in 2018 as we should be competing for

A Chip, the pick would have no major impact much the same

Our pick this yr lottery premium value may take 2-3yrs

To take hold on this team, once again can't have it both ways

This argument is how we've justified trading one 1st round pick for Othella Harrington (Jamaal Tinsley), two 1st round picks for Marbury (Kirk Snyder and Gordon Heyward), two 1st round picks for Eddy Curry (LaMarcus Aldridge and Joakim Noah), one 1st round pick (Dario Saric) and the option to swap for Melo, and another 1st round pick for Bargnani.

Really, if there's anything we should have learned over the last 15 years it's that there's no reason we shouldn't still be terrible several years from now.

we should learn that we have had horrible decision makers who have always made the wrong move.

Like George Costanza did in that famous episode, what ever the knicks are going to do, they should do the opposite and will probably be the correct decision.