NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:It's time for this organization to start thinking about rebuilding around Melo..JVG said it last night...They have to entertain trade scenarios around Chandler, Shump, etc...We might have to take a second look at Lowry...

It would ahve been much easier if we didnt have to tarde so many assets for him. If he would ahve just waited to sign with us as a FA we would probably be in better shape IMO

Name those "assets"...Tell me the reason why we stink is Gallo...Stops saying assets and put names to them...

Cap space was the biggest one but picks and solid players count too

Please elaborate, Gallo had to get 10 mil which became Tyson essentially..So please elaborate...What pick..Tell me about the picks Donnie gave away to get under the cap..He could have let ZBO and the others expire..Does that count???? We traded David Lee for garbage and pointless salary back, so apparently Donnie wasn't thinking about the cap at that point..

Gallo doesn't even make half what Melo does but no one said we had to keep him anyway. If you don't know what picks we gave up in the Melo trade, you can look that up easily. I don't see what the other questions have to do with the topic.

What?????I have no clue what u are trying to say...What is the relevance of point out Gallo salary??...U said we would have cap space if Melo came here via free agency..I said we would have to pay Gallo 10 mil per plus Melo and Amare....The Mayor had to walk because we had no money form him...Where is the cap space???

If I remember correctly, Donnie created cap space for Melo in that FA summer. Similar to what he did for Amare.

OK Melo and Amare get their money then we resign Gallo a year later to 10 mil which essentially is Chandler's salary, so where is the additional cap space???

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:It's time for this organization to start thinking about rebuilding around Melo..JVG said it last night...They have to entertain trade scenarios around Chandler, Shump, etc...We might have to take a second look at Lowry...

It would ahve been much easier if we didnt have to tarde so many assets for him. If he would ahve just waited to sign with us as a FA we would probably be in better shape IMO

Name those "assets"...Tell me the reason why we stink is Gallo...Stops saying assets and put names to them...

Cap space was the biggest one but picks and solid players count too

Please elaborate, Gallo had to get 10 mil which became Tyson essentially..So please elaborate...What pick..Tell me about the picks Donnie gave away to get under the cap..He could have let ZBO and the others expire..Does that count???? We traded David Lee for garbage and pointless salary back, so apparently Donnie wasn't thinking about the cap at that point..

Gallo doesn't even make half what Melo does but no one said we had to keep him anyway. If you don't know what picks we gave up in the Melo trade, you can look that up easily. I don't see what the other questions have to do with the topic.

What?????I have no clue what u are trying to say...What is the relevance of point out Gallo salary??...U said we would have cap space if Melo came here via free agency..I said we would have to pay Gallo 10 mil per plus Melo and Amare....The Mayor had to walk because we had no money form him...Where is the cap space???

If I remember correctly, Donnie created cap space for Melo in that FA summer. Similar to what he did for Amare.

OK Melo and Amare get their money then we resign Gallo a year later to 10 mil which essentially is Chandler's salary, so where is the additional cap space???

No. You trade the Melo package (Gallo, Wilson, etc.) for CP3 and enjoy Finals run, after Finals run watching two stars at their best. Melo demanding that trade was part of our demise. The three landmark decisions that landed us in this predicament are: (1) Capitulating to the Nuggets trade demands, (2) Using the amnesty on Billups instead of Amare and (3) Letting Lin walk without compensation; in that order.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:It's time for this organization to start thinking about rebuilding around Melo..JVG said it last night...They have to entertain trade scenarios around Chandler, Shump, etc...We might have to take a second look at Lowry...

It would ahve been much easier if we didnt have to tarde so many assets for him. If he would ahve just waited to sign with us as a FA we would probably be in better shape IMO

Name those "assets"...Tell me the reason why we stink is Gallo...Stops saying assets and put names to them...

Cap space was the biggest one but picks and solid players count too

Please elaborate, Gallo had to get 10 mil which became Tyson essentially..So please elaborate...What pick..Tell me about the picks Donnie gave away to get under the cap..He could have let ZBO and the others expire..Does that count???? We traded David Lee for garbage and pointless salary back, so apparently Donnie wasn't thinking about the cap at that point..

Gallo doesn't even make half what Melo does but no one said we had to keep him anyway. If you don't know what picks we gave up in the Melo trade, you can look that up easily. I don't see what the other questions have to do with the topic.

What?????I have no clue what u are trying to say...What is the relevance of point out Gallo salary??...U said we would have cap space if Melo came here via free agency..I said we would have to pay Gallo 10 mil per plus Melo and Amare....The Mayor had to walk because we had no money form him...Where is the cap space???

If I remember correctly, Donnie created cap space for Melo in that FA summer. Similar to what he did for Amare.

OK Melo and Amare get their money then we resign Gallo a year later to 10 mil which essentially is Chandler's salary, so where is the additional cap space???

No. You trade the Melo package (Gallo, Wilson, etc.) for CP3 and enjoy Finals run, after Finals run watching two stars at their best. Melo demanding that trade was part of our demise. The three landmark decisions that landed us in this predicament are: (1) Capitulating to the Nuggets trade demands, (2) Using the amnesty on Billups instead of Amare and (3) Letting Lin walk without compensation; in that order.

Exactly. Nobody ever said we want gallo over melo. Fans simply said use that package to get Chris Paul

Don't forget the 1st round picks we lost. and the 2nd round picks...all assets

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:It's time for this organization to start thinking about rebuilding around Melo..JVG said it last night...They have to entertain trade scenarios around Chandler, Shump, etc...We might have to take a second look at Lowry...

It would ahve been much easier if we didnt have to tarde so many assets for him. If he would ahve just waited to sign with us as a FA we would probably be in better shape IMO

Name those "assets"...Tell me the reason why we stink is Gallo...Stops saying assets and put names to them...

Cap space was the biggest one but picks and solid players count too

Please elaborate, Gallo had to get 10 mil which became Tyson essentially..So please elaborate...What pick..Tell me about the picks Donnie gave away to get under the cap..He could have let ZBO and the others expire..Does that count???? We traded David Lee for garbage and pointless salary back, so apparently Donnie wasn't thinking about the cap at that point..

Gallo doesn't even make half what Melo does but no one said we had to keep him anyway. If you don't know what picks we gave up in the Melo trade, you can look that up easily. I don't see what the other questions have to do with the topic.

What?????I have no clue what u are trying to say...What is the relevance of point out Gallo salary??...U said we would have cap space if Melo came here via free agency..I said we would have to pay Gallo 10 mil per plus Melo and Amare....The Mayor had to walk because we had no money form him...Where is the cap space???

If I remember correctly, Donnie created cap space for Melo in that FA summer. Similar to what he did for Amare.

OK Melo and Amare get their money then we resign Gallo a year later to 10 mil which essentially is Chandler's salary, so where is the additional cap space???

No. You trade the Melo package (Gallo, Wilson, etc.) for CP3 and enjoy Finals run, after Finals run watching two stars at their best. Melo demanding that trade was part of our demise. The three landmark decisions that landed us in this predicament are: (1) Capitulating to the Nuggets trade demands, (2) Using the amnesty on Billups instead of Amare and (3) Letting Lin walk without compensation; in that order.

We had to let Wilson walk if we were to sign Melo...U can blame Melo for asking for a trade, but Donnie was driving the bus...How about not signing Chandler or resigning Billups..Trade Gallo for smaller pieces to create space for CP3...Enough money there for CP3as a free agent???..But u know they had zero intention on trading Gallo...Gallo was like MDA's son...

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:It's time for this organization to start thinking about rebuilding around Melo..JVG said it last night...They have to entertain trade scenarios around Chandler, Shump, etc...We might have to take a second look at Lowry...

It would ahve been much easier if we didnt have to tarde so many assets for him. If he would ahve just waited to sign with us as a FA we would probably be in better shape IMO

Name those "assets"...Tell me the reason why we stink is Gallo...Stops saying assets and put names to them...

Cap space was the biggest one but picks and solid players count too

Please elaborate, Gallo had to get 10 mil which became Tyson essentially..So please elaborate...What pick..Tell me about the picks Donnie gave away to get under the cap..He could have let ZBO and the others expire..Does that count???? We traded David Lee for garbage and pointless salary back, so apparently Donnie wasn't thinking about the cap at that point..

Gallo doesn't even make half what Melo does but no one said we had to keep him anyway. If you don't know what picks we gave up in the Melo trade, you can look that up easily. I don't see what the other questions have to do with the topic.

What?????I have no clue what u are trying to say...What is the relevance of pointing out Gallo salary??...U said we would have cap space if Melo came here via free agency..I said we would have to pay Gallo 10 mil per plus Melo and Amare....The Mayor had to walk because we had no money for him...Where is the cap space???

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:It's time for this organization to start thinking about rebuilding around Melo..JVG said it last night...They have to entertain trade scenarios around Chandler, Shump, etc...We might have to take a second look at Lowry...

It would ahve been much easier if we didnt have to tarde so many assets for him. If he would ahve just waited to sign with us as a FA we would probably be in better shape IMO

Name those "assets"...Tell me the reason why we stink is Gallo...Stops saying assets and put names to them...

Cap space was the biggest one but picks and solid players count too

Please elaborate, Gallo had to get 10 mil which became Tyson essentially..So please elaborate...What pick..Tell me about the picks Donnie gave away to get under the cap..He could have let ZBO and the others expire..Does that count???? We traded David Lee for garbage and pointless salary back, so apparently Donnie wasn't thinking about the cap at that point..

Gallo doesn't even make half what Melo does but no one said we had to keep him anyway. If you don't know what picks we gave up in the Melo trade, you can look that up easily. I don't see what the other questions have to do with the topic.

What?????I have no clue what u are trying to say...What is the relevance of pointing out Gallo salary??...U said we would have cap space if Melo came here via free agency..I said we would have to pay Gallo 10 mil per plus Melo and Amare....The Mayor had to walk because we had no money for him...Where is the cap space???

I named the assets we gave up to get Melo. I was only replying to that part of the discussion. I wouldn't have signed Melo to a max contract salary in the off-season.

U would have signed Harden right??

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:It's time for this organization to start thinking about rebuilding around Melo..JVG said it last night...They have to entertain trade scenarios around Chandler, Shump, etc...We might have to take a second look at Lowry...

It would ahve been much easier if we didnt have to tarde so many assets for him. If he would ahve just waited to sign with us as a FA we would probably be in better shape IMO

Name those "assets"...Tell me the reason why we stink is Gallo...Stops saying assets and put names to them...

Cap space was the biggest one but picks and solid players count too

Please elaborate, Gallo had to get 10 mil which became Tyson essentially..So please elaborate...What pick..Tell me about the picks Donnie gave away to get under the cap..He could have let ZBO and the others expire..Does that count???? We traded David Lee for garbage and pointless salary back, so apparently Donnie wasn't thinking about the cap at that point..

Gallo doesn't even make half what Melo does but no one said we had to keep him anyway. If you don't know what picks we gave up in the Melo trade, you can look that up easily. I don't see what the other questions have to do with the topic.

What?????I have no clue what u are trying to say...What is the relevance of pointing out Gallo salary??...U said we would have cap space if Melo came here via free agency..I said we would have to pay Gallo 10 mil per plus Melo and Amare....The Mayor had to walk because we had no money for him...Where is the cap space???

I named the assets we gave up to get Melo. I was only replying to that part of the discussion. I wouldn't have signed Melo to a max contract salary in the off-season.

U would have signed Harden right??

Most likely. Houston got a great deal with him at $14 mil per

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:It's time for this organization to start thinking about rebuilding around Melo..JVG said it last night...They have to entertain trade scenarios around Chandler, Shump, etc...We might have to take a second look at Lowry...

It would ahve been much easier if we didnt have to tarde so many assets for him. If he would ahve just waited to sign with us as a FA we would probably be in better shape IMO

Name those "assets"...Tell me the reason why we stink is Gallo...Stops saying assets and put names to them...

Cap space was the biggest one but picks and solid players count too

Please elaborate, Gallo had to get 10 mil which became Tyson essentially..So please elaborate...What pick..Tell me about the picks Donnie gave away to get under the cap..He could have let ZBO and the others expire..Does that count???? We traded David Lee for garbage and pointless salary back, so apparently Donnie wasn't thinking about the cap at that point..

Gallo doesn't even make half what Melo does but no one said we had to keep him anyway. If you don't know what picks we gave up in the Melo trade, you can look that up easily. I don't see what the other questions have to do with the topic.

What?????I have no clue what u are trying to say...What is the relevance of point out Gallo salary??...U said we would have cap space if Melo came here via free agency..I said we would have to pay Gallo 10 mil per plus Melo and Amare....The Mayor had to walk because we had no money form him...Where is the cap space???

If I remember correctly, Donnie created cap space for Melo in that FA summer. Similar to what he did for Amare.

OK Melo and Amare get their money then we resign Gallo a year later to 10 mil which essentially is Chandler's salary, so where is the additional cap space???

No. You trade the Melo package (Gallo, Wilson, etc.) for CP3 and enjoy Finals run, after Finals run watching two stars at their best. Melo demanding that trade was part of our demise. The three landmark decisions that landed us in this predicament are: (1) Capitulating to the Nuggets trade demands, (2) Using the amnesty on Billups instead of Amare and (3) Letting Lin walk without compensation; in that order.

We had to let Wilson walk if we were to sign Melo...U can blame Melo for asking for a trade, but Donnie was driving the bus...How about not signing Chandler or resigning Billups..Trade Gallo for smaller pieces to create space for CP3...Enough money there for CP3as a free agent???..But u know they had zero intention on trading Gallo...Gallo was like MDA's son...

We didn't have to let Wilson walk. We could've easily sign and traded him away for a cheaper player or draft pick. Remember that he was a restricted free agent. More importantly, we could've just as easily traded a lesser player like Ronny Turiaf, to accommodate Wilson's cap hold, while we worked out Melo's contract. I'm not sure why you are arguing against these guys being assets, when the contrary is clearly evident.

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:It's time for this organization to start thinking about rebuilding around Melo..JVG said it last night...They have to entertain trade scenarios around Chandler, Shump, etc...We might have to take a second look at Lowry...

It would ahve been much easier if we didnt have to tarde so many assets for him. If he would ahve just waited to sign with us as a FA we would probably be in better shape IMO

Name those "assets"...Tell me the reason why we stink is Gallo...Stops saying assets and put names to them...

Cap space was the biggest one but picks and solid players count too

Please elaborate, Gallo had to get 10 mil which became Tyson essentially..So please elaborate...What pick..Tell me about the picks Donnie gave away to get under the cap..He could have let ZBO and the others expire..Does that count???? We traded David Lee for garbage and pointless salary back, so apparently Donnie wasn't thinking about the cap at that point..

Gallo doesn't even make half what Melo does but no one said we had to keep him anyway. If you don't know what picks we gave up in the Melo trade, you can look that up easily. I don't see what the other questions have to do with the topic.

What?????I have no clue what u are trying to say...What is the relevance of point out Gallo salary??...U said we would have cap space if Melo came here via free agency..I said we would have to pay Gallo 10 mil per plus Melo and Amare....The Mayor had to walk because we had no money form him...Where is the cap space???

If I remember correctly, Donnie created cap space for Melo in that FA summer. Similar to what he did for Amare.

OK Melo and Amare get their money then we resign Gallo a year later to 10 mil which essentially is Chandler's salary, so where is the additional cap space???

No. You trade the Melo package (Gallo, Wilson, etc.) for CP3 and enjoy Finals run, after Finals run watching two stars at their best. Melo demanding that trade was part of our demise. The three landmark decisions that landed us in this predicament are: (1) Capitulating to the Nuggets trade demands, (2) Using the amnesty on Billups instead of Amare and (3) Letting Lin walk without compensation; in that order.

We had to let Wilson walk if we were to sign Melo...U can blame Melo for asking for a trade, but Donnie was driving the bus...How about not signing Chandler or resigning Billups..Trade Gallo for smaller pieces to create space for CP3...Enough money there for CP3as a free agent???..But u know they had zero intention on trading Gallo...Gallo was like MDA's son...

We didn't have to let Wilson walk. We could've easily sign and traded him away for a cheaper player or draft pick. Remember that he was a restricted free agent. More importantly, we could've just as easily traded a lesser player like Ronny Turiaf, to accommodate Wilson's cap hold, while we worked out Melo's contract. I'm not sure why you are arguing against these guys being assets, when the contrary is clearly evident.

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:So all this "assets" talk boils down to Danilo Gallanari...Melo came so we lost Gallo..Booo freaking hoooooo....

Yes, big "freaking hoooooo". Who on our team outside of Melo is better than a healthy Gallo? Or Chandler? I think their real importance comes from their trade value though. Those guys in a package could've gotten us CP3.

JR Smith put up better numbers than Gallo did last year...Tyson Chandler or Gallo is really the choice, same salary slot, Wilson Chandler had to walk away for nothing to sign Melo......So you are saying the Knick would be better with Gallo over Tyson Chandler??

I'm not saying anything that you are suggesting. Gallo wasn't a free agent until 2012, so the "him or Chandler" argument is irrelevant. The real argument would've been "CP3 or Chandler" and CP3 would mean that every single time. And I've already pointed out that we could've easily moved Ronny Turiaf to the Wizards (like we actually did) as we sorted out the particulars of Carmelo's and Wilson's contracts.

As for JR Smith being better than Gallo, I strongly disagree (even though there was a time when I would've agreed). Aside from last season, JR's tenure with us has not been that spectacular. Outside of two 10-15 game hot streaks, even that season was nothing to rave about, which I only realized by looking at a critique of his game by BBALL Breakdown.

So why didn't Donnie do his job???Why did he sign Chandler??..Why did he trade DLee for garbage contracts and not just let him walk if he wanted CP3??