holfresh wrote:RonRon wrote:Denver just beat the red HOT Indiana Pacer's their current starting lineup would be less than what Melo's max extension would be for 1 player, under 50% of the cap
Lawson
Foye
Wilson Chandler
Hickson
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Now even if you add vet min players and Melo's max extension, you would be able to add solid players off the bench with that price and be much more efficient with salary
While a team of Melo and vet min players would be blown out 9/10's vs The Pacer's
It wouldn't be money well spent
And yes, Denver has injuries as well to their core and starting lineup, while we were BUILT TO WIN NOW, and they have our picks possibly a top 5 pick at this point THIS SUMMER
Even our best season last year was less than Denver's record last season, and they are better much better than us this year, and likely in our future, especially if we keep MELO at a MAX this summer, leaving less room/ability to improve so you can point the finger at our LACK OF TALENT
So Holfresh, continue to bash Denver, Lin, Dantoni, while I root for the Knick's to be a contender in our near future, while you root for Melo
Again, do you get a % of Melo's max deal that you claim he is worth?
Fail and EPIC FAILS.....
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Ron Ron my man, why can't a Knick fan root for Melo and the Knicks...Are the two mutually exclusive??..Do you really think I don't want the Knicks to be contenders??..Come on...I never said Indy will go 82-0...Why do u care if I bash Denver, actually I don't..I point out the realities that many here ignore while trying to tell me what a great trade it was for Denver..But then it's viewed as bashing..Denver has an inherent home court advantage...They can run teams off the court because of the thin air in Denver...They had an insane won-loss record at home last year but had 10 more losses on the road the victories I think...If u feel that the Nuggets roster is a great one to have, more power to u...
Because you keep bringing up the LACK OF TALENT we have on the Knicks yet you want our Knicks to pay Melo more than the starting lineup of the Denver Nuggets even with their major injuries
While you continue to bash all of our ex Knick players, how they are complimentary ROLE players that we have NEVER replenished
Yet you want to justify how building around 1 player in Melo is the correct move *even though I have pointed out time after time the importance of having cap space and having talents outside of vet min players*
How does any of this change if Melo wants to get payed more than the original 15m he started with in his 1st year, if he starts at 27m but now the CBA is under 60m
With more changes that punished the ability to improve and tax's that would hurt our ability to continue to improve
With his raises, he would become over 30m per year which is 1/2 of the entire NBA cap
You already acknowledge that we lack talent around Melo when we are paying him LESS than what you want to give him, while he is going to get OLDER
How can we improve?
They go hand to hand, we will continue to not be able to add the talent for Melo to compete on THE KNICKS if we extend him THIS SUMMER, just so you can continue to blame the lack of talent have to go with him, but continue to pay him more than he currently already is getting
It isn't like Melo didn't make a good amount in his career already and I am not telling him to take the vet min or even 5M MLE money
Sacrifice is needed to win both on and off the court, Melo has shown unable to do both, he is not a leader and needs leaders to make up for it, he needs versatile skilled players around him, yet he is approaching the 30 - 35 age *where physical abilities/age/injuries/wear and tear will multiply with his lack of IQ and his physical abilities will go downhill in his next contract
If Melo calls Lebron, Wade, and Bosh Smart, he has the ability to do the same with all the UFA's available in 2015 so why opt out early, instead of following the path that he knows he needs to do if he wants to be a contender?
His black book would include vet min players like Jared Jeffries, Chris Smith, James Flight White, where you can continue to blame why we don't have the talent needed for him to contend
Are you looking for the best interest of The Knick's or Melo?
Do you get a cut out of his paycheck?
You continually look in the best interest of Melo and NOT in the best interest of the Knick's
You continually look to mock all the "ROLE PLAYERS" that we never replenished and could be using right now, and we would be winning as a top 3-4 team in the East had we been able to keep them
Because like I said during the trade for Melo, I said we over payed for him and he was NOT needed at that price because we needed those complimentary players to pair with a STAR
I wish I was wrong, in fact I thought I was wrong when we were off to a quick start last season, but I am not, I am not happy about it either
While you defend why we had a steal in the deal for Melo, how it was needed, blah blah blah, we saved Denver over 50m in salary and gave them a bunch of assets in the process
But MORE IMPORTANTLY they have outperformed us since the trade to now and they have a hell lot of a brighter future than us
Their record is currently better than ours, yet they have a bunch of injuries/losses as well, yet we were BUILD TO WIN NOW since the trade, and they were "just a losing organization" AGAIN that has the better record than us EVERY YEAR SINCE THE TRADE
He could have NOT have created a distraction prior to the season by NOT announcing that he is opting out....
He can take NOT opt out, recruit in 2015 while taking a 1 year pay cut, and with a player option/under table agreement with Dolan to get rewarded in 2016 and SHUT EVERYONE up about "being selfish"
Instead he repeats what he did with Denver, creating HYPE, worry about future money over winning and building a contending team, and prioritizing his NUMBERS to establish his value for next contract at the cost of cohesion/chemistry and most importantly the ability to contend
Why did we trade for him rather than him giving leverage to The Knick's by saying "I AM NOT SIGNING an extension to any team but the Knick's.....
So he can come to NYK to make more money in contracts, get a longer deal for him (in his last contract), for him to get more money in endorsements and build his empire
And all so he can have an OPT out to continue to make more money over the cost of building a contending team
So why was that extra year so important to begin with? We loss a bunch of assets, cap room, ability to improve the team for NO F#$@%! reason, except for the possibility for Melo to make more money
It is always about him, his money, his career, his numbers, his hockey assist, a style of play that fits him, his glory, his garden, his highlights
So yea, from the posts that I read from you, which are plenty, you consistently defer Melo's inabilities, highlight his glories, bash Denver's lack of play off success *while we were no better the whole time", and even still you want to pay Melo a MAX contract for the benefit for the Knicks
The Knick's will always be in MSG, Melo might not be, he announced he was opting out prior to the season, and if he does sign a max extension in order to keep him, I have explained why we will never contend with the lack of talent to surround him with as you already acknowledge....
