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GustavBahler
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12/4/2013  8:17 PM
RonRon wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Dagger wrote:
ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU


+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?


If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

At this point, expirings and draft picks, maybe Denver would even help us in such a deal, that would allow us to lose even more games so they get more ping pong balls as a 3rd team....
How much is a team willing to realistically spend without an extension, as a 1 year rental after seeing what D12 did to the Lakers and Melo's past history?


Its worth making some calls. You make a good point about Howard, some teams might be gun shy. I guess its about sending Melo somewhere he'll be happy or he will pull a Howard. Can't just unload him for the best deal available because he will let them kmow he isn't sticking around if he doesn't like what he sees.
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12/4/2013  8:21 PM
RonRon wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Dagger wrote:
ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU


+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?


If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

At this point, expirings and draft picks, maybe Denver would even help us in such a deal, that would allow us to lose even more games so they get more ping pong balls as a 3rd team....
How much is a team willing to realistically spend without an extension, as a 1 year rental after seeing what D12 did to the Lakers and Melo's past history?

they deals won't like good

maybe a package of

Stuckey (might get a 2nd round pick but at 8m is overpaid as a 6thman combo guard)
Charlie Villanueva
Jonas Jerebko
Monroe (could be flipped)
2 1st round picks
2 2nd round picks

for

Kmart
Melo
Chris Smith
vet min player

Sorry Ron, didn't catch the edited portion. Charlie V. in NY kind of scares me, considering his history. We would need a coach he will listen to. Could we please send JR too, please? lol.
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12/4/2013  8:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/4/2013  8:32 PM
i understand, these guys are not attractive players, but it is mainly for picks and expirings
only Jerepko has a player option and Monroe is actually an asset, not so sure about Stuckey cause he makes 8m like Charlie V's expirings

we are in no position to bargain at this stage
our peak was last season in trading Melo and early this season, we missed the ride and the ship is sinking
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12/4/2013  8:33 PM
RonRon wrote:i understand, these guys are not attractive players, but it is mainly for picks and expirings
we are in no position to bargain at this stage
our peak was last season in trading Melo and early this season, we missed the ride and the ship is sinking

I see your point. If Grunwald were still around I would be more optimistic about getting us a good deal, but Mills and CAA? God help us.
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12/4/2013  8:41 PM
I agree RonRon. I've been saying we should call up Pistons. We should be able to pry either Drummond or Monroe (both have bright futures IMO) from them along with some picks and fillers. I would try and add Caldwell. Also, Stuckey would probably be our best guard. If they have any interest in JR, and contracts can match, then throw him in there too.
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12/4/2013  8:46 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
RonRon wrote:i understand, these guys are not attractive players, but it is mainly for picks and expirings
we are in no position to bargain at this stage
our peak was last season in trading Melo and early this season, we missed the ride and the ship is sinking

I see your point. If Grunwald were still around I would be more optimistic about getting us a good deal, but Mills and CAA? God help us.

I know. It is a huge concern. Mills signature move up to now is signing Chris smith. When you consider that and what went down during his previous tenure in ny the outlook is bleak.

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12/4/2013  8:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/4/2013  8:56 PM
I'm not going to beg the dude to stay if doesn't want to be here. It's a hard place to win. Ewing put up with a lot of crap, some of it his own doing. But he had the mental toughness to put up with it. Some guys, even the home bred ones crumble under that pressure. If the team is a 'laughing stock,' it's up to the team's leaders to step up.If we can get some picks in this draft and some solid youngsters, I say move on. The entire roster needs an upgrade. Even Tyson is getting up there. I'm not interested in bringing in more high-priced players in the short term. We need to rebuild top to bottom...which will never happen. Our owner will continue to run this team deeper into the ground. I hope your buddies at CAA can bail you out of this one Jim.
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12/4/2013  8:56 PM
This is a disaster situation with the Knicks. This had to be from Melo's camp--he wants out. SAS is no BS artist. Now that its media central--this is toxic.
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12/4/2013  8:59 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
RonRon wrote:i understand, these guys are not attractive players, but it is mainly for picks and expirings
we are in no position to bargain at this stage
our peak was last season in trading Melo and early this season, we missed the ride and the ship is sinking

I see your point. If Grunwald were still around I would be more optimistic about getting us a good deal, but Mills and CAA? God help us.

I know. It is a huge concern. Mills signature move up to now is signing Chris smith. When you consider that and what went down during his previous tenure in ny the outlook is bleak.

Right we dont even have a real GM. All of this money spent--why not bring in a Sam Presti? We cant outbid OKC--come on??? Maybe one of the smart writers will think about this angle--that we need a real GM!!

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12/4/2013  9:02 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
RonRon wrote:i understand, these guys are not attractive players, but it is mainly for picks and expirings
we are in no position to bargain at this stage
our peak was last season in trading Melo and early this season, we missed the ride and the ship is sinking

I see your point. If Grunwald were still around I would be more optimistic about getting us a good deal, but Mills and CAA? God help us.

I know. It is a huge concern. Mills signature move up to now is signing Chris smith. When you consider that and what went down during his previous tenure in ny the outlook is bleak.

Right we dont even have a real GM. All of this money spent--why not bring in a Sam Presti? We cant outbid OKC--come on??? Maybe one of the smart writers will think about this angle--that we need a real GM!!

Of course we could use a real GM. But what difference will it make if the owners gets one of his wacky ideas and undermines him in the end.

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12/4/2013  10:07 PM
RonRon wrote:
Papabear wrote:
tkf wrote:I hope SAS is 100% correct...

Papabear Says

What you are hoping for another 13 years of failed dreams again? Or are you putting your faith in Dolan to put together a great team. LOL stop dreaming bro. When Melo goes we will really go in the dumps. No good coach wants to come to New York and you bet top of the line players aint coming either. So whats your plan???

PapaBear, not trying to argue with you here, we have had enough in the past, let me keep it simple....
You, yourself have admitted in the recent months that if Melo makes 20-30m per year, we simply won't have the ability to build team much less, a contender around him
He needs help and talent around him and we simply cannot provide him with that in addition to all the assets and bad trades we are still paying for him and AFTER acquiring him

Why should he take less to stay in NY when he can sign to another team with more assets, talent, draft picks, and cap space, especially with the NY media on him
We are going downhill and still haven't even payed in full for the trade to acquire him, yet he can walk away from us for NOTHING in return....
He rejected Dantoni, he rejected Lin, he wants the ball in his hands, and he didn't want to play PF, so we got a PF, just admit we cannot build a team around him with the price we paid....

I think I am being generous at giving him a deal at 15m per year while he will likely be in decline in these next couple years.....


Papabear Says

I have no problem with that. But you know Dolan if we get rid of Melo we will get a has been star and over pay. If we get draft picks we don't have the patience to let them grow. Yes Melo needs to take less Money. If he goes to Los Angeles he will be playing with an old team. Melo must face the facts that he needs to take less money. This New York team is the house that Melo built. And he should do what needs to be done to help this team and Amear needs to man up and retire.

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12/4/2013  10:19 PM
MSG3 wrote:When was the last time Stephen A. got something like this right?

He predicted Lebron, Wade, and Bosh teaming up in Miami WAY before anyone else did.

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12/4/2013  10:51 PM
Addition by subtraction. Dolan must see that Melo is not an Alpha Dog.
Get smart , Dolan. Trade Melo for the best deal you can get.

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12/5/2013  12:00 AM
I don't see Melo leaving because I think Dolan is going to bend over and let Melo and CAA do all sorts of ungodly things to him and his franchise in order to get Melo to stay, … BUT

… if he does walk after gutting our team while grabbing his money, talking about championships on his way in, forcing out Lin, tanking a season to give Denver a lotto pick, and getting us back nothing in his departure, he's going to go down as one of the most hated men in NY.
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12/5/2013  12:16 AM
If Melo is going to walk they should move him now , I don't think Kevin Love will resign with Minnesota in 2015, Knicks should try to trade Melo for him straight up or even throw in Shumpert and try to rebuild around him
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12/5/2013  12:31 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
RonRon wrote:
tkf wrote:
Dagger wrote:
ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

Griffin is flawed? lets see, he is a PF who actually plays like one. He patrols the paint, rebounds very, very well, can defend his position, passes pretty darn well, can score and do so efficiently...

And people, including his team mates.. Like him..

It would be a horrible trade for the clippers..

Jordan doesn't suck, again he does what the clippers need him to do.. dunk hard, block shots, rebound and intimidate...

sorry, those guys would instantly make the knicks better. while I can't say the same thing about carmelo or chandler in LA..

Problem is that they are both 50% FT shooters, so in a tight game/play match, they become liabilities especially together
And we have no PnR PG, not even one like Sessions

Actually, there's been research on this. You break even if you're at 47%. So it's not a real concern.

WAS AT the Hawks/clippers game tonight.. floor seats. I made it my business to keep my eyes on Blake and Jordan. those cats play hard.. on both ends, on the boards, setting picks, screens, they play the game hard.. just something you don't see with most of the guys we have...

Both guys are fan favorites and on top of that they are pretty darn good...

the clippers would be nuts to move a guy like Blake for carmelo.. Blake is better.. and I am sure the clippers are not interested in a lazy, overpaid, declining player..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/5/2013  12:33 AM
Papabear wrote:
tkf wrote:I hope SAS is 100% correct...

Papabear Says

What you are hoping for another 13 years of failed dreams again? Or are you putting your faith in Dolan to put together a great team. LOL stop dreaming bro. When Melo goes we will really go in the dumps. No good coach wants to come to New York and you bet top of the line players aint coming either. So whats your plan???

13 years of failed Dreams. Dude I see you question people about their fandom, but you clearly need to check yourself... you wave the carmelo pom poms so hard.. you are basically saying we will suck for 13 years if we get rid of that douchebag loser? We are the worst team in the league with him now? what the hell are you talking about?

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/5/2013  12:35 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
Dagger wrote:
ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU


+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?


If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

Blake griffin is a better player.. no way in hell do the clippers even consider such a deal.. the end..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/5/2013  12:37 AM
Mray20 wrote:If Melo is going to walk they should move him now , I don't think Kevin Love will resign with Minnesota in 2015, Knicks should try to trade Melo for him straight up or even throw in Shumpert and try to rebuild around him

you guys need to stop that.. come on, why would minny do that? why? miny can just wait and hold love until 2015 and move him then, for a better player, or package..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/5/2013  12:57 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/5/2013  12:58 AM
tkf wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Dagger wrote:
ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU


+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?


If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

Blake griffin is a better player.. no way in hell do the clippers even consider such a deal.. the end..


Yeah, he's definitely better. I'd love the trade because it's an upgrade, not because Blake is a franchise player. He's more of a 2 or even 2b, and I'm not crazy about using that much salary on him but you'd have to do this upgrade.
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