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dk7th wrote:this piece is incoherent garbage. awful. is he getting paid?!?

Not sure why you would say that. Do you think Melo and the Knicks don't succeed in a three star system where Melo is the number 2 guy? Do you disagree with the point that guys mature and become more of a team player as they get older and understand that they may need to change their game to compliment other stars to win? If so I am going to say that I am leaning towards Doc Rivers opinion based on his knowledge of the game as a player and a coach.

assuming everything you read here is true then the conclusion is that melo is a greedy fool for coming to new york to be numero uno. he is also being intellectually dishonest when he uses empty calorie statistics to support his opinion on the evaluation of players mentioned. melo has value but the price paid in salary and assets was far more than whatever value he brings.

1) One, how do you read this and conclude that Melo is a greedy fool for coming to New York? Was Stat a greedy fool for coming to NY and providing exactly one 1/2 of a max contract regular season?

2) And exactly what wholesome, nutritous statistics would you provide to offset these:

The Knicks gave up a lot of replaceable role players to acquire Anthony:
• Danilo Gallinari, who has averaged 15.5 points and shot 41.6 percent from the field in 128 games with the Nuggets. He sustained a torn ACL last April.
• Raymond Felton, who is back with the Knicks after disappointing seasons with the Nuggets and Trail Blazers.
• Wilson Chandler, who has averaged 12.3 points in 77 games with Denver.
• Timofey Mozgov, the "deal-breaker," who has been DNP for more than 40 percent of his games as a Nugget, and has averaged 4.7 points in 13 minutes when he has played.
• Eddy Curry, who has played 108 minutes since the trade.
• Anthony Randolph, who has averaged 6.9 points with two teams since the trade.
• Two second-round picks that turned into Quincy Miller and Romero Osby, who between them have played a total of 27 NBA minutes.•
A first-round pick in the 2014 draft, which may turn out to be the most valuable piece surrendered by New York.
Not only did the Knicks receive Anthony, but they also acquired Chauncey Billups, whose contract (via amnesty) enabled them to land Tyson Chandler. So they were able to exchange those role players (whose value had suddenly increased thanks to coach Mike D'Antoni's offensive system) for one of the NBA's most prolific scorers and a championship center.

And don't forget, while you type your response, keep saying "57 regular season wins and never out of the first round".

first i don't compare apples to oranges. say what you wish about stoudemire but he came as a free agent and that means it was just dolan's money. moreover, dolan-- beyond the tacit mandate of the league to clean up his and isiah's mess by bringing in walsh-- drives the agenda for this team. a courageous, uncynical owner would have foregone the two-star approach and built patiently until a better situation came along. he had the option to do so but like most of the knick fanbase, he is an impatient dullard that prizes entertainment over winning.

building a winner requires patience and shrewdness. he lacks both but deep pockets keep you in the game. he is like a bad poker player who keeps replenishing his chips even if he is losing because he is willing to pay for being amused even as he is losing.

second, the writer is missing the obvious: the game has passed carmelo anthony by. it's a new era where efficiency is prized over volume and defense is in higher demand than ever. his analysis is therefore misleading let alone lazy.

instead of providing stability the roster has been in constant turmoil, much of it having to do with how difficult carmelo anthony is to play with, let alone build around.

So Stat was a humble, ungreedy soul who just took stupid Dolan's money. And promptly did sheehit for 3.5 out of 4 years. Compared to Melo's apples. Yes, I see your logic there.

Yes, and your incessant whining about efficiency and game passing and owner stupidity has a tremendous amount to do with the value of the pieces of oranges we gave away to get Carmelo, the greedy fool.

why are constantly peevish and uncivil? stoudemire got max money not because he was greedy but because dolan was desperate to get a name in new york city and stoudemire was in the right place at the right time. you can make a case for saying that we gave up only lee i suppose.

and nobody feels stat is a franchise talent, do they? so while dolan felt it necessary to overpay for damaged goods how does that translate to stoudemire being either humble or greedy? i liked the team we had starting out in 2010-2011 but i did not like felton much at all and i thought stat was too selfish and limited anyway. so he was a number two guy who got max money but did not cost the knicks human assets. had melo done the same thing that would have been acceptable.

if anything i have to believe that stoudemire was humiliated in the wake of the melo deal. and i felt that once he was paired with a real point guard he would have thrived. instead we acquire a player who is essentially redundant and stoudemire gets shoved aside and becomes immediately irrelevant. much of what occurred to stoudemire may well have been psychosomatic, meaning that he reacted to the way he was treated with a physical breakdown because he did not like the new situation he found himself in as of february 22, 2011.

Are you kidding? What happened to Amare was what the doctors in Phoenix said would happen and the reason he isn't on the Suns. You also have to consider that D'Antoni rode Amare like he was Secretariat at the Center position and he wore down as the season went on. This is a new low though. Blaming Melo for Amare's physical breaking down.

melo isn't to blame for stoudemire breaking down that is preposterous. and neither is d'antoni responsible for stoudemire breaking down, that too is preposterous. you're playing games again.

stoudemire is responsible for stoudemire breaking down. coming to new york he knew how to do one thing great which is finish on a pick and roll-- provided he had a good point guard. instead we get felton. not having any ability to be a playmaker for others, and dealing with a third-rate felton even in a d'antoni system, he does the only other thing he thinks he is capable of: going one on three night after night. i knew it was baloney but people like you love when players go into this asinine beast mode. and yet you still think he saved the knicks. i think what he did was foolish-- he is responsible for breaking himself down.

the secretariat quote from d'antoni was in reference to jeremy lin.

to any student of the game it was clear that stoudemire nightly broke away from the system and succeeded in freezing out teammates, even as an inept felton was incapable of keeping others involved.

I agree but what was your point in posting this nonsense?

much of what occurred to stoudemire may well have been psychosomatic, meaning that he reacted to the way he was treated with a physical breakdown because he did not like the new situation he found himself in as of february 22, 2011.[/quote]
If it was baloney why do you post such nonsense. Like your assessment of Melo's shoulder injury from what you saw on tv. Also, not sure where you are coming from with your 'people like me' comment. I am a fan and I do get excited during games. It is what is fun about being a fan. Again, don't post stuff likes its the truth and then react when you get called out on it. Keep it real. No need for backpedaling and fake outrage if you post the truth. Not interested in how it was baloney or hearing about your shoulder injuries make you an expert. Most guys that work out have had rotator cuff injuries. I have only encountered one that can diagnose the minimal impact of it on a basketball player from watching it on tv.

He rarely has any point. And he's spent 4 pages now not answering two simple questions, but wet-dreaming about make believe assets and draft picks and yoots that haven't panned out to be anything. Which somehow makes him a subject matter expert talking in circles above everyone's head.

It's okay.

Soon we'll read about Melo's greedy fool impact on the declining attendance at Bulgarian league games.

Its amazing how Melo gets blamed for everything around here. Blamed for the Knicks trade like he was the GM, blamed for Amare's decline like he's the doctor, blamed for Gallo's lack of growth like he's the trainer, blamed for Felton's problems like he's the dietitian, blamed for Lin like he's now a superstar on the Rockets. My favorite is how he was supposed to say no to an extension during a looming lockout so we could keep Gallo, chandler, and the great Moz. LOL this place is unreal.

3-10 is all too real. face it the team is a steaming pile... but it's never melo's fault. he is an innocent victim in all matters, on the court and off. it's weird how you and others infantilize this guy.

when you pay max money and trade away a bunch of players for a third wheel player this is what happens. denigrate the players all you want... at then end of the day this squad is a steaming pile and melo is largely the reason.

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dk7th wrote:this piece is incoherent garbage. awful. is he getting paid?!?

Not sure why you would say that. Do you think Melo and the Knicks don't succeed in a three star system where Melo is the number 2 guy? Do you disagree with the point that guys mature and become more of a team player as they get older and understand that they may need to change their game to compliment other stars to win? If so I am going to say that I am leaning towards Doc Rivers opinion based on his knowledge of the game as a player and a coach.

assuming everything you read here is true then the conclusion is that melo is a greedy fool for coming to new york to be numero uno. he is also being intellectually dishonest when he uses empty calorie statistics to support his opinion on the evaluation of players mentioned. melo has value but the price paid in salary and assets was far more than whatever value he brings.

1) One, how do you read this and conclude that Melo is a greedy fool for coming to New York? Was Stat a greedy fool for coming to NY and providing exactly one 1/2 of a max contract regular season?

2) And exactly what wholesome, nutritous statistics would you provide to offset these:

The Knicks gave up a lot of replaceable role players to acquire Anthony:
• Danilo Gallinari, who has averaged 15.5 points and shot 41.6 percent from the field in 128 games with the Nuggets. He sustained a torn ACL last April.
• Raymond Felton, who is back with the Knicks after disappointing seasons with the Nuggets and Trail Blazers.
• Wilson Chandler, who has averaged 12.3 points in 77 games with Denver.
• Timofey Mozgov, the "deal-breaker," who has been DNP for more than 40 percent of his games as a Nugget, and has averaged 4.7 points in 13 minutes when he has played.
• Eddy Curry, who has played 108 minutes since the trade.
• Anthony Randolph, who has averaged 6.9 points with two teams since the trade.
• Two second-round picks that turned into Quincy Miller and Romero Osby, who between them have played a total of 27 NBA minutes.•
A first-round pick in the 2014 draft, which may turn out to be the most valuable piece surrendered by New York.
Not only did the Knicks receive Anthony, but they also acquired Chauncey Billups, whose contract (via amnesty) enabled them to land Tyson Chandler. So they were able to exchange those role players (whose value had suddenly increased thanks to coach Mike D'Antoni's offensive system) for one of the NBA's most prolific scorers and a championship center.

And don't forget, while you type your response, keep saying "57 regular season wins and never out of the first round".

first i don't compare apples to oranges. say what you wish about stoudemire but he came as a free agent and that means it was just dolan's money. moreover, dolan-- beyond the tacit mandate of the league to clean up his and isiah's mess by bringing in walsh-- drives the agenda for this team. a courageous, uncynical owner would have foregone the two-star approach and built patiently until a better situation came along. he had the option to do so but like most of the knick fanbase, he is an impatient dullard that prizes entertainment over winning.

building a winner requires patience and shrewdness. he lacks both but deep pockets keep you in the game. he is like a bad poker player who keeps replenishing his chips even if he is losing because he is willing to pay for being amused even as he is losing.

second, the writer is missing the obvious: the game has passed carmelo anthony by. it's a new era where efficiency is prized over volume and defense is in higher demand than ever. his analysis is therefore misleading let alone lazy.

instead of providing stability the roster has been in constant turmoil, much of it having to do with how difficult carmelo anthony is to play with, let alone build around.

So Stat was a humble, ungreedy soul who just took stupid Dolan's money. And promptly did sheehit for 3.5 out of 4 years. Compared to Melo's apples. Yes, I see your logic there.

Yes, and your incessant whining about efficiency and game passing and owner stupidity has a tremendous amount to do with the value of the pieces of oranges we gave away to get Carmelo, the greedy fool.

why are constantly peevish and uncivil? stoudemire got max money not because he was greedy but because dolan was desperate to get a name in new york city and stoudemire was in the right place at the right time. you can make a case for saying that we gave up only lee i suppose.

and nobody feels stat is a franchise talent, do they? so while dolan felt it necessary to overpay for damaged goods how does that translate to stoudemire being either humble or greedy? i liked the team we had starting out in 2010-2011 but i did not like felton much at all and i thought stat was too selfish and limited anyway. so he was a number two guy who got max money but did not cost the knicks human assets. had melo done the same thing that would have been acceptable.

if anything i have to believe that stoudemire was humiliated in the wake of the melo deal. and i felt that once he was paired with a real point guard he would have thrived. instead we acquire a player who is essentially redundant and stoudemire gets shoved aside and becomes immediately irrelevant. much of what occurred to stoudemire may well have been psychosomatic, meaning that he reacted to the way he was treated with a physical breakdown because he did not like the new situation he found himself in as of february 22, 2011.

Are you kidding? What happened to Amare was what the doctors in Phoenix said would happen and the reason he isn't on the Suns. You also have to consider that D'Antoni rode Amare like he was Secretariat at the Center position and he wore down as the season went on. This is a new low though. Blaming Melo for Amare's physical breaking down.

melo isn't to blame for stoudemire breaking down that is preposterous. and neither is d'antoni responsible for stoudemire breaking down, that too is preposterous. you're playing games again.

stoudemire is responsible for stoudemire breaking down. coming to new york he knew how to do one thing great which is finish on a pick and roll-- provided he had a good point guard. instead we get felton. not having any ability to be a playmaker for others, and dealing with a third-rate felton even in a d'antoni system, he does the only other thing he thinks he is capable of: going one on three night after night. i knew it was baloney but people like you love when players go into this asinine beast mode. and yet you still think he saved the knicks. i think what he did was foolish-- he is responsible for breaking himself down.

the secretariat quote from d'antoni was in reference to jeremy lin.

to any student of the game it was clear that stoudemire nightly broke away from the system and succeeded in freezing out teammates, even as an inept felton was incapable of keeping others involved.

I agree but what was your point in posting this nonsense?

much of what occurred to stoudemire may well have been psychosomatic, meaning that he reacted to the way he was treated with a physical breakdown because he did not like the new situation he found himself in as of february 22, 2011.[/quote]
If it was baloney why do you post such nonsense. Like your assessment of Melo's shoulder injury from what you saw on tv. Also, not sure where you are coming from with your 'people like me' comment. I am a fan and I do get excited during games. It is what is fun about being a fan. Again, don't post stuff likes its the truth and then react when you get called out on it. Keep it real. No need for backpedaling and fake outrage if you post the truth. Not interested in how it was baloney or hearing about your shoulder injuries make you an expert. Most guys that work out have had rotator cuff injuries. I have only encountered one that can diagnose the minimal impact of it on a basketball player from watching it on tv.

He rarely has any point. And he's spent 4 pages now not answering two simple questions, but wet-dreaming about make believe assets and draft picks and yoots that haven't panned out to be anything. Which somehow makes him a subject matter expert talking in circles above everyone's head.

It's okay.

Soon we'll read about Melo's greedy fool impact on the declining attendance at Bulgarian league games.

Its amazing how Melo gets blamed for everything around here. Blamed for the Knicks trade like he was the GM, blamed for Amare's decline like he's the doctor, blamed for Gallo's lack of growth like he's the trainer, blamed for Felton's problems like he's the dietitian, blamed for Lin like he's now a superstar on the Rockets. My favorite is how he was supposed to say no to an extension during a looming lockout so we could keep Gallo, chandler, and the great Moz. LOL this place is unreal.

3-10 is all too real. face it the team is a steaming pile... but it's never melo's fault. he is an innocent victim in all matters, on the court and off. it's weird how you and others infantilize this guy.

when you pay max money and trade away a bunch of players for a third wheel player this is what happens. denigrate the players all you want... at then end of the day this squad is a steaming pile and melo is largely the reason.

The end!!! that pretty much sums it up....the record, the losses, how we play, the lack of picks, the lack of a real future, is all to real, can't ignore that.. and I mean to sit here and talk about winning a trade is absolutely ridiculous....looking at the situation we are in.. short and long term..

Coming from the guy who thinks having a cap tied up in gallo, chandler, moz, Lawson, and McGee for the next 3-4 years is a championship formula for the long term lol. Oh but the options are endless!!!

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Knixkik wrote:

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dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this piece is incoherent garbage. awful. is he getting paid?!?

Not sure why you would say that. Do you think Melo and the Knicks don't succeed in a three star system where Melo is the number 2 guy? Do you disagree with the point that guys mature and become more of a team player as they get older and understand that they may need to change their game to compliment other stars to win? If so I am going to say that I am leaning towards Doc Rivers opinion based on his knowledge of the game as a player and a coach.

assuming everything you read here is true then the conclusion is that melo is a greedy fool for coming to new york to be numero uno. he is also being intellectually dishonest when he uses empty calorie statistics to support his opinion on the evaluation of players mentioned. melo has value but the price paid in salary and assets was far more than whatever value he brings.

1) One, how do you read this and conclude that Melo is a greedy fool for coming to New York? Was Stat a greedy fool for coming to NY and providing exactly one 1/2 of a max contract regular season?

2) And exactly what wholesome, nutritous statistics would you provide to offset these:

The Knicks gave up a lot of replaceable role players to acquire Anthony:
• Danilo Gallinari, who has averaged 15.5 points and shot 41.6 percent from the field in 128 games with the Nuggets. He sustained a torn ACL last April.
• Raymond Felton, who is back with the Knicks after disappointing seasons with the Nuggets and Trail Blazers.
• Wilson Chandler, who has averaged 12.3 points in 77 games with Denver.
• Timofey Mozgov, the "deal-breaker," who has been DNP for more than 40 percent of his games as a Nugget, and has averaged 4.7 points in 13 minutes when he has played.
• Eddy Curry, who has played 108 minutes since the trade.
• Anthony Randolph, who has averaged 6.9 points with two teams since the trade.
• Two second-round picks that turned into Quincy Miller and Romero Osby, who between them have played a total of 27 NBA minutes.•
A first-round pick in the 2014 draft, which may turn out to be the most valuable piece surrendered by New York.
Not only did the Knicks receive Anthony, but they also acquired Chauncey Billups, whose contract (via amnesty) enabled them to land Tyson Chandler. So they were able to exchange those role players (whose value had suddenly increased thanks to coach Mike D'Antoni's offensive system) for one of the NBA's most prolific scorers and a championship center.

And don't forget, while you type your response, keep saying "57 regular season wins and never out of the first round".

first i don't compare apples to oranges. say what you wish about stoudemire but he came as a free agent and that means it was just dolan's money. moreover, dolan-- beyond the tacit mandate of the league to clean up his and isiah's mess by bringing in walsh-- drives the agenda for this team. a courageous, uncynical owner would have foregone the two-star approach and built patiently until a better situation came along. he had the option to do so but like most of the knick fanbase, he is an impatient dullard that prizes entertainment over winning.

building a winner requires patience and shrewdness. he lacks both but deep pockets keep you in the game. he is like a bad poker player who keeps replenishing his chips even if he is losing because he is willing to pay for being amused even as he is losing.

second, the writer is missing the obvious: the game has passed carmelo anthony by. it's a new era where efficiency is prized over volume and defense is in higher demand than ever. his analysis is therefore misleading let alone lazy.

instead of providing stability the roster has been in constant turmoil, much of it having to do with how difficult carmelo anthony is to play with, let alone build around.

So Stat was a humble, ungreedy soul who just took stupid Dolan's money. And promptly did sheehit for 3.5 out of 4 years. Compared to Melo's apples. Yes, I see your logic there.

Yes, and your incessant whining about efficiency and game passing and owner stupidity has a tremendous amount to do with the value of the pieces of oranges we gave away to get Carmelo, the greedy fool.

why are constantly peevish and uncivil? stoudemire got max money not because he was greedy but because dolan was desperate to get a name in new york city and stoudemire was in the right place at the right time. you can make a case for saying that we gave up only lee i suppose.

and nobody feels stat is a franchise talent, do they? so while dolan felt it necessary to overpay for damaged goods how does that translate to stoudemire being either humble or greedy? i liked the team we had starting out in 2010-2011 but i did not like felton much at all and i thought stat was too selfish and limited anyway. so he was a number two guy who got max money but did not cost the knicks human assets. had melo done the same thing that would have been acceptable.

if anything i have to believe that stoudemire was humiliated in the wake of the melo deal. and i felt that once he was paired with a real point guard he would have thrived. instead we acquire a player who is essentially redundant and stoudemire gets shoved aside and becomes immediately irrelevant. much of what occurred to stoudemire may well have been psychosomatic, meaning that he reacted to the way he was treated with a physical breakdown because he did not like the new situation he found himself in as of february 22, 2011.

Are you kidding? What happened to Amare was what the doctors in Phoenix said would happen and the reason he isn't on the Suns. You also have to consider that D'Antoni rode Amare like he was Secretariat at the Center position and he wore down as the season went on. This is a new low though. Blaming Melo for Amare's physical breaking down.

melo isn't to blame for stoudemire breaking down that is preposterous. and neither is d'antoni responsible for stoudemire breaking down, that too is preposterous. you're playing games again.

stoudemire is responsible for stoudemire breaking down. coming to new york he knew how to do one thing great which is finish on a pick and roll-- provided he had a good point guard. instead we get felton. not having any ability to be a playmaker for others, and dealing with a third-rate felton even in a d'antoni system, he does the only other thing he thinks he is capable of: going one on three night after night. i knew it was baloney but people like you love when players go into this asinine beast mode. and yet you still think he saved the knicks. i think what he did was foolish-- he is responsible for breaking himself down.

the secretariat quote from d'antoni was in reference to jeremy lin.

to any student of the game it was clear that stoudemire nightly broke away from the system and succeeded in freezing out teammates, even as an inept felton was incapable of keeping others involved.

I agree but what was your point in posting this nonsense?

much of what occurred to stoudemire may well have been psychosomatic, meaning that he reacted to the way he was treated with a physical breakdown because he did not like the new situation he found himself in as of february 22, 2011.[/quote]
If it was baloney why do you post such nonsense. Like your assessment of Melo's shoulder injury from what you saw on tv. Also, not sure where you are coming from with your 'people like me' comment. I am a fan and I do get excited during games. It is what is fun about being a fan. Again, don't post stuff likes its the truth and then react when you get called out on it. Keep it real. No need for backpedaling and fake outrage if you post the truth. Not interested in how it was baloney or hearing about your shoulder injuries make you an expert. Most guys that work out have had rotator cuff injuries. I have only encountered one that can diagnose the minimal impact of it on a basketball player from watching it on tv.

He rarely has any point. And he's spent 4 pages now not answering two simple questions, but wet-dreaming about make believe assets and draft picks and yoots that haven't panned out to be anything. Which somehow makes him a subject matter expert talking in circles above everyone's head.

It's okay.

Soon we'll read about Melo's greedy fool impact on the declining attendance at Bulgarian league games.

Its amazing how Melo gets blamed for everything around here. Blamed for the Knicks trade like he was the GM, blamed for Amare's decline like he's the doctor, blamed for Gallo's lack of growth like he's the trainer, blamed for Felton's problems like he's the dietitian, blamed for Lin like he's now a superstar on the Rockets. My favorite is how he was supposed to say no to an extension during a looming lockout so we could keep Gallo, chandler, and the great Moz. LOL this place is unreal.

3-10 is all too real. face it the team is a steaming pile... but it's never melo's fault. he is an innocent victim in all matters, on the court and off. it's weird how you and others infantilize this guy.

when you pay max money and trade away a bunch of players for a third wheel player this is what happens. denigrate the players all you want... at then end of the day this squad is a steaming pile and melo is largely the reason.

The end!!! that pretty much sums it up....the record, the losses, how we play, the lack of picks, the lack of a real future, is all to real, can't ignore that.. and I mean to sit here and talk about winning a trade is absolutely ridiculous....looking at the situation we are in.. short and long term..

Coming from the guy who thinks having a cap tied up in gallo, chandler, moz, Lawson, and McGee for the next 3-4 years is a championship formula for the long term lol. Oh but the options are endless!!!

lol..why are you so concerned with denver when we suck eggs? you are obsessed with Denver.. I like Denver as a team. I expect that team to change over and over before they win anything.. but again, how does that help the knicks and this pathetic situation.. you are drowning bro, and reaching for a life saver that just isn't there... LOL