tkf wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Yeah, it's only been 3+ years of disappointment in this era

Is every yr without a title a disappointment? We won 54 games last year. 2 games from the ECF. Bad ending, but a fun year.

for what we gave up and the price we paid.. yea, we should expect a heck of a lot more..

A 2nd round exit is disappointing yet a first round exit would have been great under the gallo led Knicks because of the perceived upside. That's the mentality for some.

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Yeah, it's only been 3+ years of disappointment in this era

Is every yr without a title a disappointment? We won 54 games last year. 2 games from the ECF. Bad ending, but a fun year.

for what we gave up and the price we paid.. yea, we should expect a heck of a lot more..

A 2nd round exit is disappointing yet a first round exit would have been great under the gallo led Knicks because of the perceived upside. That's the mentality for some.

it is a process, something you don't understand.. what good is a second round exit if that is pretty much your ceiling?

that knick team had a potentially higher ceiling.. and it seems as if you and others can't move along without mentioning gallo, but get upset when I do... and for the record, it would have been the amare led knicks.. heck for all we know it could have been the CP3 led knicks.. but we will never know that now will we?

enjoy carmelo and this 3-6 record and the toxic environment led by bustmelo and " I want to test free agency after wrecking this team to get here" drama...

have fun.. LOL

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Yeah, it's only been 3+ years of disappointment in this era

Is every yr without a title a disappointment? We won 54 games last year. 2 games from the ECF. Bad ending, but a fun year.

for what we gave up and the price we paid.. yea, we should expect a heck of a lot more..

A 2nd round exit is disappointing yet a first round exit would have been great under the gallo led Knicks because of the perceived upside. That's the mentality for some.

it is a process, something you don't understand.. what good is a second round exit if that is pretty much your ceiling?

that knick team had a potentially higher ceiling.. and it seems as if you and others can't move along without mentioning gallo, but get upset when I do... and for the record, it would have been the amare led knicks.. heck for all we know it could have been the CP3 led knicks.. but we will never know that now will we?

enjoy carmelo and this 3-6 record and the toxic environment led by bustmelo and " I want to test free agency after wrecking this team to get here" drama...

have fun.. LOL

Amare is not capable of leading a team. We have seen what CP3, Harden, and Dwight got for return packages. Stop acting like we had a chance at those guys. You don't like Melo, but you are barking up the wrong tree. If you really wanted to rebuild properly, you would be arguing that trading resources to clear max cap space for 2 free agents was the wrong move. We misfired on the 2009 draft then traded it to unload players. Then only used that space on 1 max player. Today, we have zero production to show for that 2010 free agent period, while letting go of Lee who has been playing at an all-star level ever since. Melo was the icing on the cake, but far from the problem. If anything, he has helped to offset the main problem this team has. He was able to make a potentially tragic situation (after seeing what Amare is now) and still keep us competitive and moderately successful. Did we have an outside chance of landing another top player if we continued the "process", i don't know maybe, but it was a long shot if you are realistic about it. What you seem to miss is the most likely scenario was we resigned Gallo, W Chandler, still had all this money tied up with amare with no one to offset that, and used any and all resources to land a miscast like Monta Ellis, Rudy Gay, or OJ Mayo. You tend to see things as "the grass is always greener" but for once take a step back, let go of the Melo bias, look at how this organization functions, and understand where we would really be right now if we didn't complete that trade for Melo. Not what you would have done, but what this franchise would have done had they not traded for Melo. If you honestly think that is a better situation with better upside, then there is no hope for you. You think Melo wrecked this team to get here. He didn't make the trade. The real wrecking was the Knicks making the moves they made and misfiring on a plan far before that trade was ever thought up.

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Yeah, it's only been 3+ years of disappointment in this era

Is every yr without a title a disappointment? We won 54 games last year. 2 games from the ECF. Bad ending, but a fun year.

for what we gave up and the price we paid.. yea, we should expect a heck of a lot more..

A 2nd round exit is disappointing yet a first round exit would have been great under the gallo led Knicks because of the perceived upside. That's the mentality for some.

it is a process, something you don't understand.. what good is a second round exit if that is pretty much your ceiling?

that knick team had a potentially higher ceiling.. and it seems as if you and others can't move along without mentioning gallo, but get upset when I do... and for the record, it would have been the amare led knicks.. heck for all we know it could have been the CP3 led knicks.. but we will never know that now will we?

enjoy carmelo and this 3-6 record and the toxic environment led by bustmelo and " I want to test free agency after wrecking this team to get here" drama...

have fun.. LOL

Amare is not capable of leading a team. We have seen what CP3, Harden, and Dwight got for return packages. Stop acting like we had a chance at those guys. You don't like Melo, but you are barking up the wrong tree. If you really wanted to rebuild properly, you would be arguing that trading resources to clear max cap space for 2 free agents was the wrong move. We misfired on the 2009 draft then traded it to unload players. Then only used that space on 1 max player. Today, we have zero production to show for that 2010 free agent period, while letting go of Lee who has been playing at an all-star level ever since. Melo was the icing on the cake, but far from the problem. If anything, he has helped to offset the main problem this team has. He was able to make a potentially tragic situation (after seeing what Amare is now) and still keep us competitive and moderately successful. Did we have an outside chance of landing another top player if we continued the "process", i don't know maybe, but it was a long shot if you are realistic about it. What you seem to miss is the most likely scenario was we resigned Gallo, W Chandler, still had all this money tied up with amare with no one to offset that, and used any and all resources to land a miscast like Monta Ellis, Rudy Gay, or OJ Mayo. You tend to see things as "the grass is always greener" but for once take a step back, let go of the Melo bias, look at how this organization functions, and understand where we would really be right now if we didn't complete that trade for Melo. Not what you would have done, but what this franchise would have done had they not traded for Melo. If you honestly think that is a better situation with better upside, then there is no hope for you. You think Melo wrecked this team to get here. He didn't make the trade. The real wrecking was the Knicks making the moves they made and misfiring on a plan far before that trade was ever thought up.

first of all, the knicks were a more exciting team with amare and the kids... period!!

Next, I was not for getting two free agents.. i was for getting LEBRON!! Big difference. I never was for this two max cats crap....

And you can't sit here and say we had no chance at Harden, or Paul.. really? we had no chance at them? I bet anything we would have probably gotten one of them or howard, especially with the picks, players and cap space we were sitting on... and at worse, we don't get them and still have, playes, picks and cap space.. sounds like a win-win to me..

Today, we have zero production to show for that 2010 free agent period, while letting go of Lee who has been playing at an all-star level ever since. Melo was the icing on the cake, but far from the problem.

I am not putting this on amare.. I think we should not have given him an non-guaranteed deal for that many years, but no one expected his knees to give out this soon. I miss david lee and wish we had kept him.. but lee had his flaws defensively and I thought we could have used that money in other areas.. in the end. we could have amnestied amare, but instead we wasted that on billups, which was part of the dreaded carmelo trade.. carmelo wasn't icing on the cake, he was the shyt that hit the fan....

What you seem to miss is the most likely scenario was we resigned Gallo, W Chandler, still had all this money tied up with amare with no one to offset that, and used any and all resources to land a miscast like Monta Ellis, Rudy Gay, or OJ Mayo.

Oh, so that was the most likely scenario? ok, I would take a resinged gallo and chandler, and still had moz, felton would have been off the books, and we still would have had our picks.. and honestly we didn't have to resign either one of chandler or gallo.. we had plenty of options. i love how you present the worst case scenario, but even then, we would still be better off than we are now..I would take OJ mayo who is far from a miscast..

you paint this picture as if our only hope was to do this ass backwards trade....

it is like telling your girlfriend to marry you, although you are lazy, with no job and you are a cheater.... because the other options is that she can marry a ax murderer with 10 baby mommas.. LOL..

The knicks were not a sign carmelo or be in bad shape situation.. dude I am going to just say this loud and clear.. CAMRELO IS A CLOWN... a franchise cancer, a overpaid one dimensional chucker... all of this he needs a running mate, he has no helo is utter bullcrap.... the knicks made a huge mistake with this trade, like they did getting bargnani, resigning JR smith and his brother, adding kenyon martin, letting lin go for nothing after he fell in our laps.... and the list goes on and one..

your defense of carmelo is becoming criminal.....it is so bad...

All of this talk, yet no sustainable proof to back it up. No indication the Knicks team before Melo was ever going to be more than a 1st round team, never going to win 54 games or win the atlantic. On top of that, if you honestly look at the trades for Dwight, Harden, and Paul and honestly think we could have beat those packages, you are more mistaken and delusional than you seem. Your judgment has nothing to do with this team, it is all about any option is better than Melo, because you hate him so much. It severly clouds your judgment and makes you seem unreasonable.

But the grass is always greener, we could traded for any other available star and outbid every other NBA team, with zero guaranteed lotto picks (such as in the Harden trade), zero projected stars (such as Gordon in the CP3 trade), etc smh. Keep living in your world.

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Yeah, it's only been 3+ years of disappointment in this era

Is every yr without a title a disappointment? We won 54 games last year. 2 games from the ECF. Bad ending, but a fun year.

for what we gave up and the price we paid.. yea, we should expect a heck of a lot more..

A 2nd round exit is disappointing yet a first round exit would have been great under the gallo led Knicks because of the perceived upside. That's the mentality for some.

it is a process, something you don't understand.. what good is a second round exit if that is pretty much your ceiling?

that knick team had a potentially higher ceiling.. and it seems as if you and others can't move along without mentioning gallo, but get upset when I do... and for the record, it would have been the amare led knicks.. heck for all we know it could have been the CP3 led knicks.. but we will never know that now will we?

enjoy carmelo and this 3-6 record and the toxic environment led by bustmelo and " I want to test free agency after wrecking this team to get here" drama...

have fun.. LOL

Amare is not capable of leading a team. We have seen what CP3, Harden, and Dwight got for return packages. Stop acting like we had a chance at those guys. You don't like Melo, but you are barking up the wrong tree. If you really wanted to rebuild properly, you would be arguing that trading resources to clear max cap space for 2 free agents was the wrong move. We misfired on the 2009 draft then traded it to unload players. Then only used that space on 1 max player. Today, we have zero production to show for that 2010 free agent period, while letting go of Lee who has been playing at an all-star level ever since. Melo was the icing on the cake, but far from the problem. If anything, he has helped to offset the main problem this team has. He was able to make a potentially tragic situation (after seeing what Amare is now) and still keep us competitive and moderately successful. Did we have an outside chance of landing another top player if we continued the "process", i don't know maybe, but it was a long shot if you are realistic about it. What you seem to miss is the most likely scenario was we resigned Gallo, W Chandler, still had all this money tied up with amare with no one to offset that, and used any and all resources to land a miscast like Monta Ellis, Rudy Gay, or OJ Mayo. You tend to see things as "the grass is always greener" but for once take a step back, let go of the Melo bias, look at how this organization functions, and understand where we would really be right now if we didn't complete that trade for Melo. Not what you would have done, but what this franchise would have done had they not traded for Melo. If you honestly think that is a better situation with better upside, then there is no hope for you. You think Melo wrecked this team to get here. He didn't make the trade. The real wrecking was the Knicks making the moves they made and misfiring on a plan far before that trade was ever thought up.

first of all, the knicks were a more exciting team with amare and the kids... period!!

Next, I was not for getting two free agents.. i was for getting LEBRON!! Big difference. I never was for this two max cats crap....

And you can't sit here and say we had no chance at Harden, or Paul.. really? we had no chance at them? I bet anything we would have probably gotten one of them or howard, especially with the picks, players and cap space we were sitting on... and at worse, we don't get them and still have, playes, picks and cap space.. sounds like a win-win to me..

Today, we have zero production to show for that 2010 free agent period, while letting go of Lee who has been playing at an all-star level ever since. Melo was the icing on the cake, but far from the problem.

I am not putting this on amare.. I think we should not have given him an non-guaranteed deal for that many years, but no one expected his knees to give out this soon. I miss david lee and wish we had kept him.. but lee had his flaws defensively and I thought we could have used that money in other areas.. in the end. we could have amnestied amare, but instead we wasted that on billups, which was part of the dreaded carmelo trade.. carmelo wasn't icing on the cake, he was the shyt that hit the fan....

What you seem to miss is the most likely scenario was we resigned Gallo, W Chandler, still had all this money tied up with amare with no one to offset that, and used any and all resources to land a miscast like Monta Ellis, Rudy Gay, or OJ Mayo.

Oh, so that was the most likely scenario? ok, I would take a resinged gallo and chandler, and still had moz, felton would have been off the books, and we still would have had our picks.. and honestly we didn't have to resign either one of chandler or gallo.. we had plenty of options. i love how you present the worst case scenario, but even then, we would still be better off than we are now..I would take OJ mayo who is far from a miscast..

you paint this picture as if our only hope was to do this ass backwards trade....

it is like telling your girlfriend to marry you, although you are lazy, with no job and you are a cheater.... because the other options is that she can marry a ax murderer with 10 baby mommas.. LOL..

The knicks were not a sign carmelo or be in bad shape situation.. dude I am going to just say this loud and clear.. CAMRELO IS A CLOWN... a franchise cancer, a overpaid one dimensional chucker... all of this he needs a running mate, he has no helo is utter bullcrap.... the knicks made a huge mistake with this trade, like they did getting bargnani, resigning JR smith and his brother, adding kenyon martin, letting lin go for nothing after he fell in our laps.... and the list goes on and one..

your defense of carmelo is becoming criminal.....it is so bad...

All of this talk, yet no sustainable proof to back it up. No indication the Knicks team before Melo was ever going to be more than a 1st round team, never going to win 54 games or win the atlantic. On top of that, if you honestly look at the trades for Dwight, Harden, and Paul and honestly think we could have beat those packages, you are more mistaken and delusional than you seem. Your judgment has nothing to do with this team, it is all about any option is better than Melo, because you hate him so much. It severly clouds your judgment and makes you seem unreasonable.

But the grass is always greener, we could traded for any other available star and outbid every other NBA team, with zero guaranteed lotto picks (such as in the Harden trade), zero projected stars (such as Gordon in the CP3 trade), etc smh. Keep living in your world.

there is no proof that had lebron not left cleveland he would have not won a ring there..

there is no proof that had carmelo had stayed in Denver that they would have gone to the WCF

There is no proof that if The blazers drafted durant over Oden that oden would have gotten hurt..

That line of reasoning you use is weak!!!!

What there is proof of is that, the knicks had good young players, an allstar in amare, plenty of picks and cap space.. that was a fact.... from there you could have done a number of things... THAT IS WHAT YOU MISS!!

On top of that, if you honestly look at the trades for Dwight, Harden, and Paul and honestly think we could have beat those packages, you are more mistaken and delusional than you seem.

Ah, let me see... the rockets traded kevin martin, lamb and two first roudn picks for harden..

knicks traded gallo, chandler, moz, felton, cap space from curry, two first round picks, two second round picks, anthony randolph...

ah.. HELL yea we could have beat that deal, are you kidding me????? jeezus christ!!! dude!!! rofl..

But the grass is always greener, we could traded for any other available star and outbid every other NBA team, with zero guaranteed lotto picks (such as in the Harden trade), zero projected stars (such as Gordon in the CP3 trade), etc smh. Keep living in your world.

sometimes the grass is greener.. and guess what it is greener.. give me CP3, give me harden over carmelo anyday.. better yet, don't even make the trade and we are in better position.. Look at where we are now.. we are 3-6 and in turmoil.... TTS!!!!! This Trade Sucks

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Yeah, it's only been 3+ years of disappointment in this era

Is every yr without a title a disappointment? We won 54 games last year. 2 games from the ECF. Bad ending, but a fun year.

for what we gave up and the price we paid.. yea, we should expect a heck of a lot more..

A 2nd round exit is disappointing yet a first round exit would have been great under the gallo led Knicks because of the perceived upside. That's the mentality for some.

it is a process, something you don't understand.. what good is a second round exit if that is pretty much your ceiling?

that knick team had a potentially higher ceiling.. and it seems as if you and others can't move along without mentioning gallo, but get upset when I do... and for the record, it would have been the amare led knicks.. heck for all we know it could have been the CP3 led knicks.. but we will never know that now will we?

enjoy carmelo and this 3-6 record and the toxic environment led by bustmelo and " I want to test free agency after wrecking this team to get here" drama...

have fun.. LOL

Amare is not capable of leading a team. We have seen what CP3, Harden, and Dwight got for return packages. Stop acting like we had a chance at those guys. You don't like Melo, but you are barking up the wrong tree. If you really wanted to rebuild properly, you would be arguing that trading resources to clear max cap space for 2 free agents was the wrong move. We misfired on the 2009 draft then traded it to unload players. Then only used that space on 1 max player. Today, we have zero production to show for that 2010 free agent period, while letting go of Lee who has been playing at an all-star level ever since. Melo was the icing on the cake, but far from the problem. If anything, he has helped to offset the main problem this team has. He was able to make a potentially tragic situation (after seeing what Amare is now) and still keep us competitive and moderately successful. Did we have an outside chance of landing another top player if we continued the "process", i don't know maybe, but it was a long shot if you are realistic about it. What you seem to miss is the most likely scenario was we resigned Gallo, W Chandler, still had all this money tied up with amare with no one to offset that, and used any and all resources to land a miscast like Monta Ellis, Rudy Gay, or OJ Mayo. You tend to see things as "the grass is always greener" but for once take a step back, let go of the Melo bias, look at how this organization functions, and understand where we would really be right now if we didn't complete that trade for Melo. Not what you would have done, but what this franchise would have done had they not traded for Melo. If you honestly think that is a better situation with better upside, then there is no hope for you. You think Melo wrecked this team to get here. He didn't make the trade. The real wrecking was the Knicks making the moves they made and misfiring on a plan far before that trade was ever thought up.

first of all, the knicks were a more exciting team with amare and the kids... period!!

Next, I was not for getting two free agents.. i was for getting LEBRON!! Big difference. I never was for this two max cats crap....

And you can't sit here and say we had no chance at Harden, or Paul.. really? we had no chance at them? I bet anything we would have probably gotten one of them or howard, especially with the picks, players and cap space we were sitting on... and at worse, we don't get them and still have, playes, picks and cap space.. sounds like a win-win to me..

Today, we have zero production to show for that 2010 free agent period, while letting go of Lee who has been playing at an all-star level ever since. Melo was the icing on the cake, but far from the problem.

I am not putting this on amare.. I think we should not have given him an non-guaranteed deal for that many years, but no one expected his knees to give out this soon. I miss david lee and wish we had kept him.. but lee had his flaws defensively and I thought we could have used that money in other areas.. in the end. we could have amnestied amare, but instead we wasted that on billups, which was part of the dreaded carmelo trade.. carmelo wasn't icing on the cake, he was the shyt that hit the fan....

What you seem to miss is the most likely scenario was we resigned Gallo, W Chandler, still had all this money tied up with amare with no one to offset that, and used any and all resources to land a miscast like Monta Ellis, Rudy Gay, or OJ Mayo.

Oh, so that was the most likely scenario? ok, I would take a resinged gallo and chandler, and still had moz, felton would have been off the books, and we still would have had our picks.. and honestly we didn't have to resign either one of chandler or gallo.. we had plenty of options. i love how you present the worst case scenario, but even then, we would still be better off than we are now..I would take OJ mayo who is far from a miscast..

you paint this picture as if our only hope was to do this ass backwards trade....

it is like telling your girlfriend to marry you, although you are lazy, with no job and you are a cheater.... because the other options is that she can marry a ax murderer with 10 baby mommas.. LOL..

The knicks were not a sign carmelo or be in bad shape situation.. dude I am going to just say this loud and clear.. CAMRELO IS A CLOWN... a franchise cancer, a overpaid one dimensional chucker... all of this he needs a running mate, he has no helo is utter bullcrap.... the knicks made a huge mistake with this trade, like they did getting bargnani, resigning JR smith and his brother, adding kenyon martin, letting lin go for nothing after he fell in our laps.... and the list goes on and one..

your defense of carmelo is becoming criminal.....it is so bad...

All of this talk, yet no sustainable proof to back it up. No indication the Knicks team before Melo was ever going to be more than a 1st round team, never going to win 54 games or win the atlantic. On top of that, if you honestly look at the trades for Dwight, Harden, and Paul and honestly think we could have beat those packages, you are more mistaken and delusional than you seem. Your judgment has nothing to do with this team, it is all about any option is better than Melo, because you hate him so much. It severly clouds your judgment and makes you seem unreasonable.

But the grass is always greener, we could traded for any other available star and outbid every other NBA team, with zero guaranteed lotto picks (such as in the Harden trade), zero projected stars (such as Gordon in the CP3 trade), etc smh. Keep living in your world.

Ah, let me see... the rockets traded kevin martin, lamb and two first roudn picks for harden..

knicks traded gallo, chandler, moz, felton, cap space from curry, two first round picks, two second round picks, anthony randolph...

ah.. HELL yea we could have beat that deal, are you kidding me????? jeezus christ!!! dude!!! rofl..

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Dude, i don't even know where to start. OKC got a guarenteed lottery pick. They got Lamb, who will be on a rookie contract for a long time. They let go of Martin because they aren't in position to pay him. Now listen carefully, they would have zero interest in Gallo and Chandler because of their contract situtions. Let that sink in. OKC would have zero use for our package of players. They want players on rookie contracts for the longest, and draft picks that are the highest. They don't want players who are due to get paid after a season. We could not beat Houston in either of those areas. You thinking we can outbid them considering those factors is laughable.