BigDaddyG wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I think the year he had in Denver with Iverson and billups where he shot 48% was by far his best. He had similar years to last year in Denver.

I always shake my head when the clueless media refer to last year being Melos career year

I think it's just an easy narrative for writers to refer to when on deadline. Kinda like the "Melo and STAT can't coexist on offense" crap we heard the past two years, even tho the stats showed otherwise.

I agree. And watch how the press will never leave alone the question of is Melo staying in New York? They won't let it go. They have to have something to write about.

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:To be honest with everyone, and I can't be anything but honest with you guys anymore,

I think we can let Melo live a little bit.

What do you want from him? Huh? He is what he is. Is it fair to demand he change into something he just isn't meant to be?

Is he giving himself the fat contracts and the cool shoes?

He's probably a better natural scorer than LeBron. His shot is purer. His nose for the hoop is as keen as a marmot's for the fish in the creeks.

Think about this and remember it:

With Melo on Knicks we are just one piece away from dominating the NBA and winning multiple chips. That's what Dolan sees and we don't: we're one piece away. When that piece gets here many of our friends on this board will be eating the crows.

that is a reach.. really it is, because who would that piece be? does he even exist? I mean who is dominating the nba now anyway? I think it is comments like those that draw such backlash from people who tend to see things a bit more realistically.

You are right, carmelo is what he is, and that is what you see.. Maybe the problem is he sees himself as something different, and until that changes, maybe he will be always stuck as the player who has no help and needs this super great player to help him win....

LeBron is that piece.

LeBron in New York makes everything we're going through worthwhile.

you do realize that you can remove carmelo, bring in lebron and add Pf that rebounds and score and be in much better position.. In other words since you are on this lebron dream, and that isn't going to happen, we should be looking to add lebron and someone like Aldridge. No more playing people out of position , a more balanced team and you fill a need..

I mean lets be real, lebron and any decent player makes a good team, and that player doesn't have to be a max player.... heck bring bosh on over with lebron, he seems to have found a nice role doing what he does now and he is pretty darn good at it.. and I am pretty sure his next deal will not be a max one..

Because LeBron and Melo would be probably the most unstoppable combination in basketball.

nah, no better than bron and wade and what makes bron and wade such a great fit is they both are super on the break, creative passers and great defenders..

you guys really need to cut this ish out.. my lord... LOL

lebron does not need someone who takes 22 shots per game.. and carmelo just isn't efficient enough.. if you want to talk unstoppable offensively, lebron and rose makes sense.. rose will play off the ball and he is pretty much a force as is, rose would not have to worry about setting anyone up, but himself..... lebron and someone like Klay thompson would be interesting offensively as lebron loves to pass and klay is an assasin.. lebron and steph curry....

I mean really I wish there would just be more reasonable dialouge when it comes to this....

Your opinions of Melo are nothing but biased hate, i'm sure everyone here agrees. Stop acting like you are smarter than the rest of the world when it comes to him, and stop trying to make others feel stupid. I think your response couldn't be more inaccurate.

THAT is funny because I think your opinion is from a homer standpoint...

That is fine, however i think my opinion in regards to Melo are closer to the opinions of the general population. Again, i don't feel he is the cornerstone to a championship team or is a top-5 player, you may have me confused. I think he is a star who can be a 1B, or 2nd option on a title team. I believe he is a better fit with Lebron than Rose, an example you used. Melo can play off the ball as a spot up shooter and finisher, like on team USA. Rose is a PG duplicate of Lebron, a ball dominant creator who can't play off of the ball that well. This is why i think you are wrong, among other things like your general opinion of Melo being more negative than anyone i have ever heard.

We can't say LeBron won't come here. I don't think we can ever say with certainty that something will or will not happen.

Melo is not the most efficient scorer in the league. This has to do with opposing teams swarming on him like Bosnians on a UN relief truck. We can say that he should pass it out, look for teammates and so on, but this all goes back to Melo being Melo. Playing alongside LeBron would immediately remove this defensive pressure from Melo's shoulders; he would be free to do what he do best, drop buckets!

Melo and LeBron could be the most potent duo in NBA history.

My opinion is that the yarn threads are fated to converge. It's too perfect. These two guys have always been two peas in a pod and Melo is still the only player in the league that comes close to LeBron in God-given talent. When they came into the league, Melo was not that far off from LeBron's level.

LeBron to New York should happen on so many levels.

ok, I give up.... really no way I am going to respond to that.. I am going to take some time off from this crazy "ish".. I understand this is your opinion, but jeeezus christ... I will just respect your opinion... as hard as it is right now to do...

Some of the things I read on here are just epic... and not in a good way..

Don't have time to argue this... really don't..

later fellas.... LOL..

The ironic part is how this post sounds to you is how most of your's sound to others.

difference is, mine is a hell of a lot closer to reality....

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:To be honest with everyone, and I can't be anything but honest with you guys anymore,

I think we can let Melo live a little bit.

What do you want from him? Huh? He is what he is. Is it fair to demand he change into something he just isn't meant to be?

Is he giving himself the fat contracts and the cool shoes?

He's probably a better natural scorer than LeBron. His shot is purer. His nose for the hoop is as keen as a marmot's for the fish in the creeks.

Think about this and remember it:

With Melo on Knicks we are just one piece away from dominating the NBA and winning multiple chips. That's what Dolan sees and we don't: we're one piece away. When that piece gets here many of our friends on this board will be eating the crows.

that is a reach.. really it is, because who would that piece be? does he even exist? I mean who is dominating the nba now anyway? I think it is comments like those that draw such backlash from people who tend to see things a bit more realistically.

You are right, carmelo is what he is, and that is what you see.. Maybe the problem is he sees himself as something different, and until that changes, maybe he will be always stuck as the player who has no help and needs this super great player to help him win....

LeBron is that piece.

LeBron in New York makes everything we're going through worthwhile.

you do realize that you can remove carmelo, bring in lebron and add Pf that rebounds and score and be in much better position.. In other words since you are on this lebron dream, and that isn't going to happen, we should be looking to add lebron and someone like Aldridge. No more playing people out of position , a more balanced team and you fill a need..

I mean lets be real, lebron and any decent player makes a good team, and that player doesn't have to be a max player.... heck bring bosh on over with lebron, he seems to have found a nice role doing what he does now and he is pretty darn good at it.. and I am pretty sure his next deal will not be a max one..

Because LeBron and Melo would be probably the most unstoppable combination in basketball.

nah, no better than bron and wade and what makes bron and wade such a great fit is they both are super on the break, creative passers and great defenders..

you guys really need to cut this ish out.. my lord... LOL

lebron does not need someone who takes 22 shots per game.. and carmelo just isn't efficient enough.. if you want to talk unstoppable offensively, lebron and rose makes sense.. rose will play off the ball and he is pretty much a force as is, rose would not have to worry about setting anyone up, but himself..... lebron and someone like Klay thompson would be interesting offensively as lebron loves to pass and klay is an assasin.. lebron and steph curry....

I mean really I wish there would just be more reasonable dialouge when it comes to this....

Your opinions of Melo are nothing but biased hate, i'm sure everyone here agrees. Stop acting like you are smarter than the rest of the world when it comes to him, and stop trying to make others feel stupid. I think your response couldn't be more inaccurate.

THAT is funny because I think your opinion is from a homer standpoint...

That is fine, however i think my opinion in regards to Melo are closer to the opinions of the general population. Again, i don't feel he is the cornerstone to a championship team or is a top-5 player, you may have me confused. I think he is a star who can be a 1B, or 2nd option on a title team. I believe he is a better fit with Lebron than Rose, an example you used. Melo can play off the ball as a spot up shooter and finisher, like on team USA. Rose is a PG duplicate of Lebron, a ball dominant creator who can't play off of the ball that well. This is why i think you are wrong, among other things like your general opinion of Melo being more negative than anyone i have ever heard.

We can't say LeBron won't come here. I don't think we can ever say with certainty that something will or will not happen.

Melo is not the most efficient scorer in the league. This has to do with opposing teams swarming on him like Bosnians on a UN relief truck. We can say that he should pass it out, look for teammates and so on, but this all goes back to Melo being Melo. Playing alongside LeBron would immediately remove this defensive pressure from Melo's shoulders; he would be free to do what he do best, drop buckets!

Melo and LeBron could be the most potent duo in NBA history.

My opinion is that the yarn threads are fated to converge. It's too perfect. These two guys have always been two peas in a pod and Melo is still the only player in the league that comes close to LeBron in God-given talent. When they came into the league, Melo was not that far off from LeBron's level.

LeBron to New York should happen on so many levels.

ok, I give up.... really no way I am going to respond to that.. I am going to take some time off from this crazy "ish".. I understand this is your opinion, but jeeezus christ... I will just respect your opinion... as hard as it is right now to do...

Some of the things I read on here are just epic... and not in a good way..

Don't have time to argue this... really don't..

later fellas.... LOL..

The ironic part is how this post sounds to you is how most of your's sound to others.

difference is, mine is a hell of a lot closer to reality....

based on whom opinion ? yours ? I'll gladly settle with the majority here .... sorry but your constant negativity about the Knicks and rants about Melo are really getting tiresome ... we know your point of view, great for you, i don't care about changing it, everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but no need to ruin EVERY discussion involving Melo with it ... thank you !

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Knicks22 wrote:
Vastly overrated player. Doesn't mean he is very very good, but unlike baseball, only stats quoted in media in NBA are still very simplisitc (points scored). Efficiency numbers are brutal - he shoots too much, and, no defense expects him ever, ever to pass, so his shots are more contested than they need be.

Pity - amazing talent, but, due to his selfishness, (enabled by Woodson), his isolation - especially at end of game - isn't as successful as it should.

He is a good streak scorer... as a basketball "player" he leaves little to be desired.. IMO...

amazing talent,

I hear some people say that, but tell me, what talent does he have that is amazing? what is amazing about his talents? you just pointed out a ton of flaws that would suggest otherwise..

Red1976 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:To be honest with everyone, and I can't be anything but honest with you guys anymore,

I think we can let Melo live a little bit.

What do you want from him? Huh? He is what he is. Is it fair to demand he change into something he just isn't meant to be?

Is he giving himself the fat contracts and the cool shoes?

He's probably a better natural scorer than LeBron. His shot is purer. His nose for the hoop is as keen as a marmot's for the fish in the creeks.

Think about this and remember it:

With Melo on Knicks we are just one piece away from dominating the NBA and winning multiple chips. That's what Dolan sees and we don't: we're one piece away. When that piece gets here many of our friends on this board will be eating the crows.

that is a reach.. really it is, because who would that piece be? does he even exist? I mean who is dominating the nba now anyway? I think it is comments like those that draw such backlash from people who tend to see things a bit more realistically.

You are right, carmelo is what he is, and that is what you see.. Maybe the problem is he sees himself as something different, and until that changes, maybe he will be always stuck as the player who has no help and needs this super great player to help him win....

LeBron is that piece.

LeBron in New York makes everything we're going through worthwhile.

you do realize that you can remove carmelo, bring in lebron and add Pf that rebounds and score and be in much better position.. In other words since you are on this lebron dream, and that isn't going to happen, we should be looking to add lebron and someone like Aldridge. No more playing people out of position , a more balanced team and you fill a need..

I mean lets be real, lebron and any decent player makes a good team, and that player doesn't have to be a max player.... heck bring bosh on over with lebron, he seems to have found a nice role doing what he does now and he is pretty darn good at it.. and I am pretty sure his next deal will not be a max one..

Because LeBron and Melo would be probably the most unstoppable combination in basketball.

nah, no better than bron and wade and what makes bron and wade such a great fit is they both are super on the break, creative passers and great defenders..

you guys really need to cut this ish out.. my lord... LOL

lebron does not need someone who takes 22 shots per game.. and carmelo just isn't efficient enough.. if you want to talk unstoppable offensively, lebron and rose makes sense.. rose will play off the ball and he is pretty much a force as is, rose would not have to worry about setting anyone up, but himself..... lebron and someone like Klay thompson would be interesting offensively as lebron loves to pass and klay is an assasin.. lebron and steph curry....

I mean really I wish there would just be more reasonable dialouge when it comes to this....

Your opinions of Melo are nothing but biased hate, i'm sure everyone here agrees. Stop acting like you are smarter than the rest of the world when it comes to him, and stop trying to make others feel stupid. I think your response couldn't be more inaccurate.

THAT is funny because I think your opinion is from a homer standpoint...

That is fine, however i think my opinion in regards to Melo are closer to the opinions of the general population. Again, i don't feel he is the cornerstone to a championship team or is a top-5 player, you may have me confused. I think he is a star who can be a 1B, or 2nd option on a title team. I believe he is a better fit with Lebron than Rose, an example you used. Melo can play off the ball as a spot up shooter and finisher, like on team USA. Rose is a PG duplicate of Lebron, a ball dominant creator who can't play off of the ball that well. This is why i think you are wrong, among other things like your general opinion of Melo being more negative than anyone i have ever heard.

We can't say LeBron won't come here. I don't think we can ever say with certainty that something will or will not happen.

Melo is not the most efficient scorer in the league. This has to do with opposing teams swarming on him like Bosnians on a UN relief truck. We can say that he should pass it out, look for teammates and so on, but this all goes back to Melo being Melo. Playing alongside LeBron would immediately remove this defensive pressure from Melo's shoulders; he would be free to do what he do best, drop buckets!

Melo and LeBron could be the most potent duo in NBA history.

My opinion is that the yarn threads are fated to converge. It's too perfect. These two guys have always been two peas in a pod and Melo is still the only player in the league that comes close to LeBron in God-given talent. When they came into the league, Melo was not that far off from LeBron's level.

LeBron to New York should happen on so many levels.

ok, I give up.... really no way I am going to respond to that.. I am going to take some time off from this crazy "ish".. I understand this is your opinion, but jeeezus christ... I will just respect your opinion... as hard as it is right now to do...

Some of the things I read on here are just epic... and not in a good way..

Don't have time to argue this... really don't..

later fellas.... LOL..

The ironic part is how this post sounds to you is how most of your's sound to others.

difference is, mine is a hell of a lot closer to reality....

based on whom opinion ? yours ? I'll gladly settle with the majority here .... sorry but your constant negativity about the Knicks and rants about Melo are really getting tiresome ... we know your point of view, great for you, i don't care about changing it, everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but no need to ruin EVERY discussion involving Melo with it ... thank you !

of course, you are welcome to join in their delusion..

IronWillGiroud wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:To be honest with everyone, and I can't be anything but honest with you guys anymore,

I think we can let Melo live a little bit.

What do you want from him? Huh? He is what he is. Is it fair to demand he change into something he just isn't meant to be?

Is he giving himself the fat contracts and the cool shoes?

He's probably a better natural scorer than LeBron. His shot is purer. His nose for the hoop is as keen as a marmot's for the fish in the creeks.

Think about this and remember it:

With Melo on Knicks we are just one piece away from dominating the NBA and winning multiple chips. That's what Dolan sees and we don't: we're one piece away. When that piece gets here many of our friends on this board will be eating the crows.

that is a reach.. really it is, because who would that piece be? does he even exist? I mean who is dominating the nba now anyway? I think it is comments like those that draw such backlash from people who tend to see things a bit more realistically.

You are right, carmelo is what he is, and that is what you see.. Maybe the problem is he sees himself as something different, and until that changes, maybe he will be always stuck as the player who has no help and needs this super great player to help him win....

LeBron is that piece.

LeBron in New York makes everything we're going through worthwhile.

you do realize that you can remove carmelo, bring in lebron and add Pf that rebounds and score and be in much better position.. In other words since you are on this lebron dream, and that isn't going to happen, we should be looking to add lebron and someone like Aldridge. No more playing people out of position , a more balanced team and you fill a need..

I mean lets be real, lebron and any decent player makes a good team, and that player doesn't have to be a max player.... heck bring bosh on over with lebron, he seems to have found a nice role doing what he does now and he is pretty darn good at it.. and I am pretty sure his next deal will not be a max one..

Because LeBron and Melo would be probably the most unstoppable combination in basketball.

nah, no better than bron and wade and what makes bron and wade such a great fit is they both are super on the break, creative passers and great defenders..

you guys really need to cut this ish out.. my lord... LOL

lebron does not need someone who takes 22 shots per game.. and carmelo just isn't efficient enough.. if you want to talk unstoppable offensively, lebron and rose makes sense.. rose will play off the ball and he is pretty much a force as is, rose would not have to worry about setting anyone up, but himself..... lebron and someone like Klay thompson would be interesting offensively as lebron loves to pass and klay is an assasin.. lebron and steph curry....

I mean really I wish there would just be more reasonable dialouge when it comes to this....

Your opinions of Melo are nothing but biased hate, i'm sure everyone here agrees. Stop acting like you are smarter than the rest of the world when it comes to him, and stop trying to make others feel stupid. I think your response couldn't be more inaccurate.

THAT is funny because I think your opinion is from a homer standpoint...

That is fine, however i think my opinion in regards to Melo are closer to the opinions of the general population. Again, i don't feel he is the cornerstone to a championship team or is a top-5 player, you may have me confused. I think he is a star who can be a 1B, or 2nd option on a title team. I believe he is a better fit with Lebron than Rose, an example you used. Melo can play off the ball as a spot up shooter and finisher, like on team USA. Rose is a PG duplicate of Lebron, a ball dominant creator who can't play off of the ball that well. This is why i think you are wrong, among other things like your general opinion of Melo being more negative than anyone i have ever heard.

We can't say LeBron won't come here. I don't think we can ever say with certainty that something will or will not happen.

Melo is not the most efficient scorer in the league. This has to do with opposing teams swarming on him like Bosnians on a UN relief truck. We can say that he should pass it out, look for teammates and so on, but this all goes back to Melo being Melo. Playing alongside LeBron would immediately remove this defensive pressure from Melo's shoulders; he would be free to do what he do best, drop buckets!

Melo and LeBron could be the most potent duo in NBA history.

My opinion is that the yarn threads are fated to converge. It's too perfect. These two guys have always been two peas in a pod and Melo is still the only player in the league that comes close to LeBron in God-given talent. When they came into the league, Melo was not that far off from LeBron's level.

LeBron to New York should happen on so many levels.

ok, I give up.... really no way I am going to respond to that.. I am going to take some time off from this crazy "ish".. I understand this is your opinion, but jeeezus christ... I will just respect your opinion... as hard as it is right now to do...

Some of the things I read on here are just epic... and not in a good way..

Don't have time to argue this... really don't..

later fellas.... LOL..

The ironic part is how this post sounds to you is how most of your's sound to others.

difference is, mine is a hell of a lot closer to reality....

What is so crazy about having the opinion that Melo is a better natural scorer than LeBron? That Melo has a purer shot? That Melo was just a kitty hair away from LeBron when they first came into the league?

LeBron does a lot of things at a high level. Melo scores buckets for you at the highest level in the universe.

Of course his efficiency will suffer when defenses are hounding him like a hot dog.

Should Melo pass it out, become a better facilitator, etc.,? Yea, he 'should'. But that's not how the world works. Melo does his thing and for that we have to be grateful.

The idea is that if Melo were to be paired with a legit Big Kahuna all the criticism would float away like drunk people.

With Melo on our roster we're one piece away. It's a big piece, but it's just one piece. I choose to be optimistic that Dolan will have thrown enough **** at the wall that something will stick.

I honestly think it is time for all of that ****y poop talk about carmelo and his scoring to stop..

he was never close to lebron... not to those who value basketball played the right way..

And anyone paired with the right piece can win... anyone..

I never rebuilt a car engine.. but give me the right person who can do it, and i can help rebuild a car engine. should you pay me as a top mechanic? should I consider myself a great mechanic..

I highly doubt any great player wants to play with carmelo and pairing him with any great player will result in great things unless carmelo subjugates himself to a point to where won't leave the carmelo stench, stamp, or whatever you call it on that team... he has to play a much lesser role... and in that case what would really make him so special?

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knicks22 wrote:
Vastly overrated player. Doesn't mean he is very very good, but unlike baseball, only stats quoted in media in NBA are still very simplisitc (points scored). Efficiency numbers are brutal - he shoots too much, and, no defense expects him ever, ever to pass, so his shots are more contested than they need be.

Pity - amazing talent, but, due to his selfishness, (enabled by Woodson), his isolation - especially at end of game - isn't as successful as it should.

He is a good streak scorer... as a basketball "player" he leaves little to be desired.. IMO...

amazing talent,

I hear some people say that, but tell me, what talent does he have that is amazing? what is amazing about his talents? you just pointed out a ton of flaws that would suggest otherwise..

i might have mentioned this to you before but i think he is comparable to mark aguirre... 'cept nobody has ever claimed that mark aguirre was an amazing talent.

exactly....

oh and i guess it would be a good idea to mention that aguirre was pretty much a "number three option" as a platoon layer on those detroit title clubs... just sayin'!

he was playing a proper role as was adrian Dantley before him in detroit..