holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

5 guys currently in the NBA who can carry a team..

LeBron
Kobe
Melo
CP3..See him put a scare into the Lakers in the playoffs a few years ago..
Harden..MOre need to be seen
Durant
Westbrook... against the Heat in the playoffs..more to be seen..
Tony Parker..maybe..

Are you not aware of which team won the series? Are you not aware of Melo's playoff history either?

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

5 guys currently in the NBA who can carry a team..

LeBron
Kobe
Melo
CP3..See him put a scare into the Lakers in the playoffs a few years ago..
Harden..MOre need to be seen
Durant
Westbrook... against the Heat in the playoffs..more to be seen..
Tony Parker..maybe..

Are you not aware of which team won the series? Are you not aware of Melo's playoff history either?

Again, It's a team game..Ewing never won, great player, didnt have the pieces, Barkley never won, another great, Karl Malone never won, I can go on...

How many NBA players have been to the playoffs every single year of his career???.Name them!!!!!

Melo's teams have made the playoffs 10 years..

Duncan??

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

So you think we would have gotten further in the playoffs and won more games in the regular season if Paul George was on that Knicks team instead of Melo?

absolutely yes.

If u think Paul George could have carried his team in the month of April to a 18-6 record to make the playoffs then u don't know what u are talking about...

don't care what happens during the jayvee season i care what happens in the varsity season. it is not difficult to integrate george into a team, so the result will be a better team all season long. melo is almost impossible to integrate because everyone has to adjust to HIM, which brings down the level of the team even as it ironically puts more pressure on melo to raise his usage rate ever higher. it's a tragicomic dynamic.

so far as i am concerned, melo is the nba version of dave winfield....

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

So you think we would have gotten further in the playoffs and won more games in the regular season if Paul George was on that Knicks team instead of Melo?

absolutely yes.

If u think Paul George could have carried his team in the month of April to a 18-6 record to make the playoffs then u don't know what u are talking about...

don't care what happens during the jayvee season i care what happens in the varsity season. it is not difficult to integrate george into a team, so the result will be a better team all season long. melo is almost impossible to integrate because everyone has to adjust to HIM, which brings down the level of the team even as it ironically puts more pressure on melo to raise his usage rate ever higher. it's a tragicomic dynamic.

so far as i am concerned, melo is the nba version of dave winfield....

Then I have to say u don't understand the game or sports for that matter...Baseball, you need a team..Mattingly is an all time great in my opinion..U can't fault him for not having a team around him...Winfield was a great defensive player too..strong arm in right..Come on, are u for real???...Maybe Winfield should pitch and Mattingly should close...

Tony Gwynn sucks because he didn't win in the playoffs...
Rod Carew sucks
Nolan Ryan sucks
John Cadelaria sucks
Kirby Puckett sucks..only won once and couldn't beat the Yankees all those years...

just because i compare melo to winfield does not give you license to compare basketball to baseball. the comparison was made out of the notion of peaking or performing at the wrong time of year, and nothing more. if you don't have a decent counterargument you take the route you just took, which is a pattern with you.

melo puts up gaudy and shiny numbers at the expense of team building. and he puts up those numbers at the wrong time of year.

baseball is a unique team game, the closest thing to a collection of individual actions in isolation and sequence as you can get. and the most important aspect of the sport is pitching, not position players.

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

5 guys currently in the NBA who can carry a team..

LeBron
Kobe
Melo
CP3..See him put a scare into the Lakers in the playoffs a few years ago..
Harden..MOre need to be seen
Durant
Westbrook... against the Heat in the playoffs..more to be seen..
Tony Parker..maybe..

Are you not aware of which team won the series? Are you not aware of Melo's playoff history either?

Again, It's a team game..Ewing never won, great player, didnt have the pieces, Barkley never won, another great, Karl Malone never won, I can go on...

How many NBA players have been to the playoffs every single year of his career???.Name them!!!!!

Melo's teams have made the playoffs 10 years..

Duncan??

If it's a team game, why are you obsessed with whether Paul George is going to hit the shot with the game on the line? You're contradicting yourself. Clearly their team hit enough shots with games on the line against us.

I think Championship teams needs a closer...We have one..Not many teams have one..Again, Kobe, LeBron, Durant, CP3, Harden??maybe..
Now build a team around him dammit!!!

By the way, all those guys outside of Kobe have another top NBA player next to him and we know what Kobe's team look like..Coincidence???

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

5 guys currently in the NBA who can carry a team..

LeBron
Kobe
Melo
CP3..See him put a scare into the Lakers in the playoffs a few years ago..
Harden..MOre need to be seen
Durant
Westbrook... against the Heat in the playoffs..more to be seen..
Tony Parker..maybe..

Are you not aware of which team won the series? Are you not aware of Melo's playoff history either?

Again, It's a team game..Ewing never won, great player, didnt have the pieces, Barkley never won, another great, Karl Malone never won, I can go on...

How many NBA players have been to the playoffs every single year of his career???.Name them!!!!!

Melo's teams have made the playoffs 10 years..

Duncan??

If it's a team game, why are you obsessed with whether Paul George is going to hit the shot with the game on the line? You're contradicting yourself. Clearly their team hit enough shots with games on the line against us.

I think Championship teams needs a closer...We have one..Not many teams have one..Again, Kobe, LeBron, Durant, CP3, Harden??maybe..
Now build a team around him dammit!!!

By the way, all those guys outside of Kobe have another top NBA player next to him and we know what Kobe's team look like..Coincidence???

stoudemire or no stoudemire he should have waited for free agency. but he didn't so it is hypocritical to be grumbling about needing more help, either from him or from you.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

5 guys currently in the NBA who can carry a team..

LeBron
Kobe
Melo
CP3..See him put a scare into the Lakers in the playoffs a few years ago..
Harden..MOre need to be seen
Durant
Westbrook... against the Heat in the playoffs..more to be seen..
Tony Parker..maybe..

Are you not aware of which team won the series? Are you not aware of Melo's playoff history either?

Again, It's a team game..Ewing never won, great player, didnt have the pieces, Barkley never won, another great, Karl Malone never won, I can go on...

How many NBA players have been to the playoffs every single year of his career???.Name them!!!!!

Melo's teams have made the playoffs 10 years..

Duncan??

If it's a team game, why are you obsessed with whether Paul George is going to hit the shot with the game on the line? You're contradicting yourself. Clearly their team hit enough shots with games on the line against us.

I think Championship teams needs a closer...We have one..Not many teams have one..Again, Kobe, LeBron, Durant, CP3, Harden??maybe..
Now build a team around him dammit!!!

By the way, all those guys outside of Kobe have another top NBA player next to him and we know what Kobe's team look like..Coincidence???

stoudemire or no stoudemire he should have waited for free agency. but he didn't so it is hypocritical to be grumbling about needing more help, either from him or from you.

So u think Gallo puts us over the top??..Because we would have not resigned Will for cap reasons...

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

5 guys currently in the NBA who can carry a team..

LeBron
Kobe
Melo
CP3..See him put a scare into the Lakers in the playoffs a few years ago..
Harden..MOre need to be seen
Durant
Westbrook... against the Heat in the playoffs..more to be seen..
Tony Parker..maybe..

Are you not aware of which team won the series? Are you not aware of Melo's playoff history either?

Again, It's a team game..Ewing never won, great player, didnt have the pieces, Barkley never won, another great, Karl Malone never won, I can go on...

How many NBA players have been to the playoffs every single year of his career???.Name them!!!!!

Melo's teams have made the playoffs 10 years..

Duncan??

If it's a team game, why are you obsessed with whether Paul George is going to hit the shot with the game on the line? You're contradicting yourself. Clearly their team hit enough shots with games on the line against us.

I think Championship teams needs a closer...We have one..Not many teams have one..Again, Kobe, LeBron, Durant, CP3, Harden??maybe..
Now build a team around him dammit!!!

By the way, all those guys outside of Kobe have another top NBA player next to him and we know what Kobe's team look like..Coincidence???

So you're saying it's a team game for the first 47:30 and then a 1 on 1 game for the final 00:30

I think Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Isiah, Magic, Kareem etc designed the blueprint, it wasn't me, I can't take credit, but I have been a witness to it...

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

So you think we would have gotten further in the playoffs and won more games in the regular season if Paul George was on that Knicks team instead of Melo?

absolutely yes.

If u think Paul George could have carried his team in the month of April to a 18-6 record to make the playoffs then u don't know what u are talking about...

don't care what happens during the jayvee season i care what happens in the varsity season. it is not difficult to integrate george into a team, so the result will be a better team all season long. melo is almost impossible to integrate because everyone has to adjust to HIM, which brings down the level of the team even as it ironically puts more pressure on melo to raise his usage rate ever higher. it's a tragicomic dynamic.

so far as i am concerned, melo is the nba version of dave winfield....

Then I have to say u don't understand the game or sports for that matter...Baseball, you need a team..Mattingly is an all time great in my opinion..U can't fault him for not having a team around him...Winfield was a great defensive player too..strong arm in right..Come on, are u for real???...Maybe Winfield should pitch and Mattingly should close...

Tony Gwynn sucks because he didn't win in the playoffs...
Rod Carew sucks
Nolan Ryan sucks
John Cadelaria sucks
Kirby Puckett sucks..only won once and couldn't beat the Yankees all those years...

just because i compare melo to winfield does not give you license to compare basketball to baseball. the comparison was made out of the notion of peaking or performing at the wrong time of year, and nothing more. if you don't have a decent counterargument you take the route you just took, which is a pattern with you.

melo puts up gaudy and shiny numbers at the expense of team building. and he puts up those numbers at the wrong time of year.

baseball is a unique team game, the closest thing to a collection of individual actions in isolation and sequence as you can get. and the most important aspect of the sport is pitching, not position players.

First year Melo was here we lost to Boston in the first round...I think it was Marv Albert who said it's Melo and 4 guys out there against Boston..Melo had numbers at "the right time of the year", maybe you forgot..one game 42 pts 17 boards and 6 asst??...Did you forget...He also dropped 37 pts and grabbed 9 boards in a game last year against Boy George, the defensive demon...Did you forget???

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

5 guys currently in the NBA who can carry a team..

LeBron
Kobe
Melo
CP3..See him put a scare into the Lakers in the playoffs a few years ago..
Harden..MOre need to be seen
Durant
Westbrook... against the Heat in the playoffs..more to be seen..
Tony Parker..maybe..

Are you not aware of which team won the series? Are you not aware of Melo's playoff history either?

Again, It's a team game..Ewing never won, great player, didnt have the pieces, Barkley never won, another great, Karl Malone never won, I can go on...

How many NBA players have been to the playoffs every single year of his career???.Name them!!!!!

Melo's teams have made the playoffs 10 years..

Duncan??

ok, it is a team game...then why did you ask this question?

How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line?

you win and lose as a team....

And the game was on the line, the series was on the line, game 6.. paul george had a very good closeout game..