EnySpree wrote:

knickscity wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:I bet anything a lot of the guys here singing Bargnani's praises now would not be saying the same things about his game if he happened to get traded to Brooklyn a couple of months ago.

That's just the thing I can't get past, I can take anybody seriously who defends his game because you know you all thought he was garbage when he was wearing a Raptors uniform.

I hope it works out for us but I need to see it on the court and no amount of cherry picked videos and quotes will sell me until the games begin

Spot on brother, spot on.

Truth is is he got traded to the Bulls, clippers, Celtics, Brooklyn or another contender the basketball world would have been singing praises.

It's Cuz the Knicks got him that there are so many know it alls that can't read in these forums....

Btw how much more can you guys go back and forth saying the same things over and over. Can't wait till training camp!!!

I know you don't really believe that..

tkf wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knickscity wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:I bet anything a lot of the guys here singing Bargnani's praises now would not be saying the same things about his game if he happened to get traded to Brooklyn a couple of months ago.

That's just the thing I can't get past, I can take anybody seriously who defends his game because you know you all thought he was garbage when he was wearing a Raptors uniform.

I hope it works out for us but I need to see it on the court and no amount of cherry picked videos and quotes will sell me until the games begin

Spot on brother, spot on.

Truth is is he got traded to the Bulls, clippers, Celtics, Brooklyn or another contender the basketball world would have been singing praises.

It's Cuz the Knicks got him that there are so many know it alls that can't read in these forums....

Btw how much more can you guys go back and forth saying the same things over and over. Can't wait till training camp!!!

I know you don't really believe that..

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knickscity wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:I bet anything a lot of the guys here singing Bargnani's praises now would not be saying the same things about his game if he happened to get traded to Brooklyn a couple of months ago.

That's just the thing I can't get past, I can take anybody seriously who defends his game because you know you all thought he was garbage when he was wearing a Raptors uniform.

I hope it works out for us but I need to see it on the court and no amount of cherry picked videos and quotes will sell me until the games begin

Spot on brother, spot on.

Truth is is he got traded to the Bulls, clippers, Celtics, Brooklyn or another contender the basketball world would have been singing praises.

It's Cuz the Knicks got him that there are so many know it alls that can't read in these forums....

Btw how much more can you guys go back and forth saying the same things over and over. Can't wait till training camp!!!

I know you don't really believe that..

I believe it and if it was to the Rockets or Nuggets I would be surprised if you weren't praising the move.

THEN YOU don't know a damn thing about me.. You guys are so emotional over who I like... I find it very, very odd..LOL

EnySpree wrote:

knickscity wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:I bet anything a lot of the guys here singing Bargnani's praises now would not be saying the same things about his game if he happened to get traded to Brooklyn a couple of months ago.

That's just the thing I can't get past, I can take anybody seriously who defends his game because you know you all thought he was garbage when he was wearing a Raptors uniform.

I hope it works out for us but I need to see it on the court and no amount of cherry picked videos and quotes will sell me until the games begin

Spot on brother, spot on.

Truth is is he got traded to the Bulls, clippers, Celtics, Brooklyn or another contender the basketball world would have been singing praises.

It's Cuz the Knicks got him that there are so many know it alls that can't read in these forums....

Btw how much more can you guys go back and forth saying the same things over and over. Can't wait till training camp!!!

Do you honestly believe that? The guy has been a punchline around the league for years now and was literally days away from being amnestied. Anyone who would have traded anything of minimal value cor him would have been panned throughout the league and media. It's his job to shut up all of the doubters. Hopefully he cares enough this year.

Also I love how you selectively choose who's been "saying the same things over and over". I guess this is the first thread basically handing the comeback player of the year to Bargnani. Righty-o chap!

Although I do agree with you on one thing. I can't wait until training camp too

azamatbagatov wrote:

nixluva wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:I bet anything a lot of the guys here singing Bargnani's praises now would not be saying the same things about his game if he happened to get traded to Brooklyn a couple of months ago.

That's just the thing I can't get past, I can take anybody seriously who defends his game because you know you all thought he was garbage when he was wearing a Raptors uniform.

I hope it works out for us but I need to see it on the court and no amount of cherry picked videos and quotes will sell me until the games begin

Actually I never did think Bargnani was garbage. I accepted him for what he was and if he did go to the Nets I do agree that I wouldn't be looking at all the positives of how he could work out well for the Nets, since i'm not a Nets fan, but that doesn't mean I would be trashing him, just like I haven't trashed AK47. I just think for THIS TEAM AB fits into a role that can help this team play better. AB isn't coming here to be the franchise. He's here to add to the mix.

Since AB isn't here to carry the Knicks it's a different scenario altogether. When everyone is looking at you to be the franchise as opposed to just being a part of the core of the team. This is a good spot for AB to succeed minus the extra pressure. The quotes I posted was to at least give everyone a sense of where AB is at mentally. The positive comments are a good sign for us that AB is motivated by being here which is what you want to hear. Suppose he was depressed by coming here and not happy about the trade, which does happen with some players when they're traded. Instead we read that he came to the Eurobasket camp in great shape and had a great attitude and was playing better. How can we read that as anything but a great development?

I hope you are right about him. I was never a big fan of his, I always thought he was garbage but now he s our garbage so I just have to hope it works out

Once again I have to point out just what we had on this team last year in the playoffs. Just look at the Knicks top scorers and think about that for a second. It's IMPERATIVE that this team find another major scoring threat in the SL. JR was 2nd to Melo but comes off the bench! Our 2nd best threat in the SL is FELTON!!! I mean think about this. The original plan was for Amar'e to fill that 2nd option spot, but he can't do it. So adding AB helps to fill that need.

PLAYER	                GP	MIN	PPG	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG
Carmelo Anthony, SF	12	40.1	28.8	6.6	1.6	1.08	0.17
J.R. Smith, SG	        11	31.9	14.3	4.7	1.4	1.00	0.45
Raymond Felton, PG	12	37.8	14.1	3.4	4.7	1.67	0.42
Iman Shumpert, SF	12	28.1	9.3	6.0	1.3	1.08	0.25

We had to bring in Bargnani and see if we can get him back to doing what he's best at. All the while looking to get him to put more effort on the boards. It would make no sense to let AB get away by letting him go on the waiver wire. If Grunwald thought AB could help he did the right thing trading for him rather than taking a chance.

callmened wrote:oh i agree. thats why i was ultimately happy with the trade. dude is defintel more talented than what was avavilable. especially since the knicks are broke.

is he broken down at age 28? i hope not, his last two seasons were injury prone.

at his best he could be a REALLY good player (17-19ppg) but at his worst he could be a lazy injury prone slob who spends most of his time on the bench. i doubt he'll be either extreme. most likely hell be a solid role player and that helps the team. either way, hes an improvement over novak and camby (even though i still dont know why we gave up 3 draft picks)

the best part of the deal was that he'll be an expiring contract in 2014 and we can get rid of him in 2015.

For me the best part of the deal is that Bargnani was injured with torn ligaments in his elbow from a fall and not just cuz he was lazy and didn't want to play. He actually came back and played with a less than 100% arm. You can see him with the elbow wrap in the 2nd video.

he can ball when motivated...theres no DOUBT about that

hes more of a 4 than a 5 too...reminds be of a bigger gallo

azamatbagatov wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Btw why can't we look at the positives surrounding players we get? Bargs isn't Dirk but why can't he be Toni Kukoc for us? Keith Van horn? Tim Thomas? Someone if that caliber?

Why do we have to pretend the dude is Brad Lohas?

Gtfoh with that. How could you call yourself a fan when you live to complain in these forums?

Its a wait and see thing but it's already documented that he can average 18-21 points per in this league. He can score when healthy and motivated. Why can't he be that here? Granted we are a better team than Toronto but we could expect solid play from this dude... he helps this team Alot. We did not have a talent like him before. It's a plus. ..... no negatives to be found.

The end

An, my favorite! The good old "you aren't a real fan if you don't mindlessly approve of every move the organization makes". That worked well during the Isiah years. So I guess watching the team since 1982 and rooting for Ken "the animal" Bannister, Louis Orr, Pat Cummings, Hubie Brown etc doesn't make a me a real fan because I am against a trade that brought a career underachiever and self admitted "lazy" player to town and depleted our already depleted # of first round draft picks.

Makes sense to me

Different situation now. The 80s sucked aside from Bernard King and we wouldn't have won at all without him.

Right now we are a winning team and deleted Camby and Novak and got Bargnani. That's pretty good. What I don't understand is how guys can get so down like this. We got better. Is it stupid to simply think we got better?