Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:For those of you who don't like Melo. If Melo does have a good season by your standards, I don't care if you admit it or not. I just hope you're able to enjoy it. Life's too short. Doesn't mean you can't celebrate his eventual departure.

The specific player doesn't matter. If Eddy Curry signs with the Knicks and has a good season by my standards, I'll enjoy it

i dont care who helps the Knicks win.

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:For those of you who don't like Melo. If Melo does have a good season by your standards, I don't care if you admit it or not. I just hope you're able to enjoy it. Life's too short. Doesn't mean you can't celebrate his eventual departure.

The specific player doesn't matter. If Eddy Curry signs with the Knicks and has a good season by my standards, I'll enjoy it

Agreed, I might not like the player, but my enjoyment is only ruined by losing.

i dont care who helps the Knicks win.

Glad to hear it. Hard to know with a segment of this board sometimes. I see a noticeable lack of pom poms waiving, dammit!

DurzoBlint wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:We all know Melo isn't taking a pay cut and we all know the Knicks don't have the balls to let him walk. The one thing in common here is neither ownership nor Melo's top priority is winning a championship. The sad thing is how so many "knicks fans" are willing to give both of them a pass on it.

Why the hell should he. Like I said above, management needs to sell him on the idea, show they have a plan in order to get him to buy in. Otherwise, your just asking a guy to take less for the hell of it.

I'm quite sure if Melo new that Lebron was coming he would take a pay cut to get him. But you are right why should Melo take a pay cut for just anyone. I don't see Amare retiring to open up 22 million dollars. When Amare comes off the books we can get 2 stars for his price.

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:For those of you who don't like Melo. If Melo does have a good season by your standards, I don't care if you admit it or not. I just hope you're able to enjoy it. Life's too short. Doesn't mean you can't celebrate his eventual departure.

The specific player doesn't matter. If Eddy Curry signs with the Knicks and has a good season by my standards, I'll enjoy it

Agreed, I might not like the player, but my enjoyment is only ruined by losing.

i dont care who helps the Knicks win.

Glad to hear it. Hard to know with a segment of this board sometimes. I see a noticeable lack of pom poms waiving, dammit!

Trust me, no fan of the team is gonna be upset if the Knicks win a title with their least favored player on the team.

They may say they would, but I dont believe it.

The only way it can be true is if their happiness in their opinion trumps their love for the team.

+1

knickscity wrote:

Papabear wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:We all know Melo isn't taking a pay cut and we all know the Knicks don't have the balls to let him walk. The one thing in common here is neither ownership nor Melo's top priority is winning a championship. The sad thing is how so many "knicks fans" are willing to give both of them a pass on it.

Why the hell should he. Like I said above, management needs to sell him on the idea, show they have a plan in order to get him to buy in. Otherwise, your just asking a guy to take less for the hell of it.

Papabear Says

I'm quite sure if Melo new that Lebron was coming he would take a pay cut to get him. But you are right why should Melo take a pay cut for just anyone. I don't see Amare retiring to open up 22 million dollars. When Amare comes off the books we can get 2 stars for his price.

Even if Amare retired tomorrow the Knicks dont get cap space for him....when your payroll is near 80 mil, your still OVER the cap.

tkf wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:Knicks shouldn't pay that kind of money to a below 50% shooter.

I'm not saying Melo is as good as Kobe Bryant but there are players worth the money that shoot below 50 percent

I hope the Knicks would offer Melo something like $110 mil over 5 and try to negotiate

To brign Kobe up again, the LAkers plan A is to pair Kobe with Melo. On Mike and Mike in the Morning, they say that Melo and LBJ would be arguably the greatest tandem the league has ever seen. Think about that for a second. Melo has to do more, but he also needs some of the right pieces. I know the trade set that process back a little, but all I know is the roster keeps (marginally) improving around him.

for me the offer should be tied to how his salary fits into the whole team's salary structure, including other FA players in 2015. If he starts out at say ~$15M with max increases and Knicks able to snag another max candidate or so, I'm all for it. If the offer starts at $20M and all we can do is sign someone not on roster for $7M, then what's the point?

I'm sorry, there is no way he does that....and if he did...why do it here, any team could clear space to offer him that.

To be honest, Melo's salary will be dictated by what happens this season....if the team regresses, then there should be no talks of a max deal...and he can and should walk.

Now if the team does reach the ECF and battle Miami...even in a loss, the job is done imo...get your money playa.

A static season of 2nd round flame out should command a modest reduction, which i doubt he takes, but will be required to move forward.

But 15 mil starting is a pipe dream, he isn't giving up 8 mil a season.

I dont think there has been a star player in the history of the game who's fiven up that much at his age.

Dirk was 32, KG was 34...Kidd was 36, Duncan I think was 32 or 33.

Thats asking alot from a then to be newly turned 30 year old.

if he doesn't stay for less then the whole "coming home" angle is exposed as hypocrisy-- not only that but it is proof positive that doesn't truly believe he can win in new york or anywhere else for that matter as the main guy.

he isn't as good as these other guys and the sooner he realizes that the sooner he can ask for an amount that is less inflated, more realistic... if he want's a legit shot at winning.

you are 100% correct, but we both know, there is no evidence to show that he is the type of guy that will take less in order to be in a better situation.. we saw it as he forced his way here.. he didn't care what the knicks had to give up.. he wanted his money, and his wife's reality show..... he is going to money grab, and do so at the expense of the knicks.. why not? most fans still will think he is the "greatest" and doesn't have "help"... the same old, same old...story..

I never begrudge anyone the money they can earn and I find it intellectually dishonest when people call for athletes to take less. Would you take a voluntary 33% pay cut next year so your organization can achieve a higher standing? I just don't see many people saying.....hey, please cut my $100K salary to $66K next year so the department can bring in some new blood.

If the Knicks sign Melo to a $25 mil long term contract....it is on them, not Melo.

I actually had this discussion here on the board before.. I am the controller of a pretty decent sized mfg company. I have taken a sizeable paycut a year ago so that we could reach organizational goals and honestly save some jobs.. so yes.. and so far it has paid off as i will see that back and more in the future as we picked up a HUGE contract....with a fortune 500 company..

But I will say this, someone making 100k and losing 33% is huge, while the person making 20 mil is losing the same Percentage, I doubt that their lives will be altered at all by leaving that on the table.. as opposed to the average working person..

Damn TKF no wonder why your company is loosing money your azz is always on the Ultimate Knicks You are on here day and night so I guess you multi task. Look you are an Ultimate Knicks Junkie. And so am I. I just can't get enough of it. I Love It but you a controller?

Papabear wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:We all know Melo isn't taking a pay cut and we all know the Knicks don't have the balls to let him walk. The one thing in common here is neither ownership nor Melo's top priority is winning a championship. The sad thing is how so many "knicks fans" are willing to give both of them a pass on it.

How is anyone giving them a pass?

Have you read this thread? Guys are already laying the ground work to blame ownership if Melo doesn't take less money.

Papabear Says

Melo needs to get his money and say kiss my azz. Do you really think if melo to only 15 million instead of 25 million TKF and his hate crew would have a nice thing to say?? Hell no! They hate him and will always hate him. And I believe if the Knicks was in the finals they would be rooting against the Knicks and thats a fact. They want to build the team the way they want to build the Knicks and none of then never coached pee wee basketball team.

Great and when we have no cap room to bring in help I don't want to hear anything out of Melo. If he takes less money it gives our GM flexibility to bring in help through trades or free agency and not have to make moves like this offseason by bringing in another teams garbage (Bargnani) and hoping he comes here and magically figures it out after 7 years in the league.

Lastly, why do you give a damn if TKF or anybody says nice things about Melo. Thats ridiculous. I am pretty sure Melo doesn't care if anybody says mean things about you. It's all about the Knicks and them hopefully breaking one of the longest championship droughts in all of sports.

tkf wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:Knicks shouldn't pay that kind of money to a below 50% shooter.

I'm not saying Melo is as good as Kobe Bryant but there are players worth the money that shoot below 50 percent

I hope the Knicks would offer Melo something like $110 mil over 5 and try to negotiate

To brign Kobe up again, the LAkers plan A is to pair Kobe with Melo. On Mike and Mike in the Morning, they say that Melo and LBJ would be arguably the greatest tandem the league has ever seen. Think about that for a second. Melo has to do more, but he also needs some of the right pieces. I know the trade set that process back a little, but all I know is the roster keeps (marginally) improving around him.

for me the offer should be tied to how his salary fits into the whole team's salary structure, including other FA players in 2015. If he starts out at say ~$15M with max increases and Knicks able to snag another max candidate or so, I'm all for it. If the offer starts at $20M and all we can do is sign someone not on roster for $7M, then what's the point?

I'm sorry, there is no way he does that....and if he did...why do it here, any team could clear space to offer him that.

To be honest, Melo's salary will be dictated by what happens this season....if the team regresses, then there should be no talks of a max deal...and he can and should walk.

Now if the team does reach the ECF and battle Miami...even in a loss, the job is done imo...get your money playa.

A static season of 2nd round flame out should command a modest reduction, which i doubt he takes, but will be required to move forward.

But 15 mil starting is a pipe dream, he isn't giving up 8 mil a season.

I dont think there has been a star player in the history of the game who's fiven up that much at his age.

Dirk was 32, KG was 34...Kidd was 36, Duncan I think was 32 or 33.

Thats asking alot from a then to be newly turned 30 year old.

if he doesn't stay for less then the whole "coming home" angle is exposed as hypocrisy-- not only that but it is proof positive that doesn't truly believe he can win in new york or anywhere else for that matter as the main guy.

he isn't as good as these other guys and the sooner he realizes that the sooner he can ask for an amount that is less inflated, more realistic... if he want's a legit shot at winning.

you are 100% correct, but we both know, there is no evidence to show that he is the type of guy that will take less in order to be in a better situation.. we saw it as he forced his way here.. he didn't care what the knicks had to give up.. he wanted his money, and his wife's reality show..... he is going to money grab, and do so at the expense of the knicks.. why not? most fans still will think he is the "greatest" and doesn't have "help"... the same old, same old...story..

I never begrudge anyone the money they can earn and I find it intellectually dishonest when people call for athletes to take less. Would you take a voluntary 33% pay cut next year so your organization can achieve a higher standing? I just don't see many people saying.....hey, please cut my $100K salary to $66K next year so the department can bring in some new blood.

If the Knicks sign Melo to a $25 mil long term contract....it is on them, not Melo.

I actually had this discussion here on the board before.. I am the controller of a pretty decent sized mfg company. I have taken a sizeable paycut a year ago so that we could reach organizational goals and honestly save some jobs.. so yes.. and so far it has paid off as i will see that back and more in the future as we picked up a HUGE contract....with a fortune 500 company..

But I will say this, someone making 100k and losing 33% is huge, while the person making 20 mil is losing the same Percentage, I doubt that their lives will be altered at all by leaving that on the table.. as opposed to the average working person..

yellowboy90 wrote:People sometimes over look the bigger picture when it comes to money and family. It shouldn't just be about his immediate family but also his kid's kids' families. That type of money should be generational money if you play it right. Then you have philanthropy work on top of that. I don't fault any player for getting money.