tkf wrote:

cope would not have cost us any picks..

Yet the Pacers gave up a young prospect and a 2014 first rounder for Scola, and - WOW! That's also a great move Pacers! Also a viewpoint shared by some people on these boards who blast the Bargs trade for the same reason!

Bottom line : this is a different year and different role for Bargs.

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Ahhh, a week off from work and the UK, and all the usual Somber Suspects are still in rare form.

Complaining about thread redundancy. Nice. From posters who created the patented "Why I hate Melo and you should too" thread spawns and the neverending, 4 year old (and counting) "The Trade ruined all our lives, and you're just too much of a Dolan minion to realize it" thread bots.

So at the risk of resurrecting redundancy:

1) Novak. --> last seen doing less than nothing in the playoffs. Last seen in a thread near you with multiple explanations about how his glaring deficiencies (both on O and D) have been solved and exploited by every team in the league that matters.

2) Camby. --> last seen not playing. Continually. For whatever reason. Spectre-like visions of past rebounds and blocks notwithstanding.

3) Draft picks --> Yawn....yeah, draft picks...right. We're the Knicks, remember?

JRodmc scours for redundant Melo threads, then redundantly repeats the redundant redundancy by redundantly repeating the redundant.

.......and the beat goes on.........

Soon we'll blame Layden for the body count in Gettysburg during the Civil War and I'll have to explain Al Bianchi was the GM then!

And the beat goes on.............

The window is closing on Melo's finger championship........"Bernard King would never have said that!!!!" cries the revisionist knick fans!

Nalod, ever the left-leaning Centrist, manages to work in both an offhand Melohate comment and an ABA/Nyet reference, all while carping about redundancy...in a thread about the AB trade. Masterful.

Next up, a thread about how subliminally "cool" black and white retro unis actually are...while working in the standard how truly stupid is Dolan, anyway? post.

Thats it? Again, with the Net thing?

Shyt, I don't know whey your even reading the redundant Melo whining anyway?

Nalod don't do Melo/Trade threads anymore, which this one morphed into.

Or, Trade proposal threads. Waste of time. If you want to be really entertained, check out Playa2 "Waynes World end of days" threads in the "Other" catagory! Those are a hoot!

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Ahhh, a week off from work and the UK, and all the usual Somber Suspects are still in rare form.

Complaining about thread redundancy. Nice. From posters who created the patented "Why I hate Melo and you should too" thread spawns and the neverending, 4 year old (and counting) "The Trade ruined all our lives, and you're just too much of a Dolan minion to realize it" thread bots.

So at the risk of resurrecting redundancy:

1) Novak. --> last seen doing less than nothing in the playoffs. Last seen in a thread near you with multiple explanations about how his glaring deficiencies (both on O and D) have been solved and exploited by every team in the league that matters.

2) Camby. --> last seen not playing. Continually. For whatever reason. Spectre-like visions of past rebounds and blocks notwithstanding.

3) Draft picks --> Yawn....yeah, draft picks...right. We're the Knicks, remember?

JRodmc scours for redundant Melo threads, then redundantly repeats the redundant redundancy by redundantly repeating the redundant.

.......and the beat goes on.........

Soon we'll blame Layden for the body count in Gettysburg during the Civil War and I'll have to explain Al Bianchi was the GM then!

And the beat goes on.............

The window is closing on Melo's finger championship........"Bernard King would never have said that!!!!" cries the revisionist knick fans!

Nalod, ever the left-leaning Centrist, manages to work in both an offhand Melohate comment and an ABA/Nyet reference, all while carping about redundancy...in a thread about the AB trade. Masterful.

Next up, a thread about how subliminally "cool" black and white retro unis actually are...while working in the standard how truly stupid is Dolan, anyway? post.

Thats it? Again, with the Net thing?

Shyt, I don't know whey your even reading the redundant Melo whining anyway?

Nalod don't do Melo/Trade threads anymore, which this one morphed into.

Or, Trade proposal threads. Waste of time. If you want to be really entertained, check out Playa2 "Waynes World end of days" threads in the "Other" catagory! Those are a hoot!

And if you'd stop taking playa's url links so dead serious, you'd notice I'm already in and out of most of those threads. So redundant.

playa2 wrote:Again Nalod you've been busted in your plan to

Sidetrack my facts with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

Head administrater is walking the hospital and sees a guy in the corner rubing two cashews against his penis. The admin asked him "why are you here?", guy says "please don't distract me, Im phuching nuts"

Playa, as a former solider you sound very disappointed and manipulated. For that I feel bad. Its a volunteer army for pay and they don't pay you enough! Im sure at the same time it would be nice to feel appreciated for the patriotic duty.

That said, and it do mean that, please understand that many of us do think most war is about money, and the Governent does some pretty messed up things. Its just that the full conpsireacy of marshall law and concentration camps don't make sense unless there is a horrific biological event. To do what your saying based on "New world order" is a bit out there.

By calling everyone who is not in agreement "ignorant" is not the way to win over fans.

I respect your service history but not your current efforts to inform. Maybe there is another way you can help people?

Nalod wrote:

playa2 wrote:Again Nalod you've been busted in your plan to

Sidetrack my facts with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

Head administrater is walking the hospital and sees a guy in the corner rubing two cashews against his penis. The admin asked him "why are you here?", guy says "please don't distract me, Im phuching nuts"

Playa, as a former solider you sound very disappointed and manipulated. For that I feel bad. Its a volunteer army for pay and they don't pay you enough! Im sure at the same time it would be nice to feel appreciated for the patriotic duty.

That said, and it do mean that, please understand that many of us do think most war is about money, and the Governent does some pretty messed up things. Its just that the full conpsireacy of marshall law and concentration camps don't make sense unless there is a horrific biological event. To do what your saying based on "New world order" is a bit out there.

By calling everyone who is not in agreement "ignorant" is not the way to win over fans.

I respect your service history but not your current efforts to inform. Maybe there is another way you can help people?

playa2, Nalod: not in this forum or thread. Thanks.

playa2 wrote:Let's be real about the trade.

We all found out that all we needed in the Pacer series was a big man to bring the center for the pacers out away from the basket, problem was our coach(or management-marketing) didn't like the player who was capable of doing that(Copeland) from Newark NJ.

Neither plays awesome defense but can do what we lacked if on the court, but one is more marketable than the other.

So we go out and find another C/F who can do the same thing(who has more NBA experience) who's international flavor in Italy will sell more knicks Jerseys there and in NY. As knicks fans we must always look at the marketing plan 1ST AND FOREMOST,when it comes NYC big business mindset of James Dolan.

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

cope would not have cost us any picks..

Yet the Pacers gave up a young prospect and a 2014 first rounder for Scola, and - WOW! That's also a great move Pacers! Also a viewpoint shared by some people on these boards who blast the Bargs trade for the same reason!

first of all, look at the pacers draft pick situation... a lot different from the knicks..

next, they were trading surplus to actually fill a position of need.. Scola allows them to upgrade without compromising their future any more..

Scola has been a tried and true professional who has been nothing but productive over the years..

we can't say the same thing about bargnani... and the knicks could ill afford to give up any more picks..

UPSIDE!!! That's really what we're talking about here. We didn't bring in AB to just be a Scola type presence. We're trying to get him back on track to maximizing his full potential, which is far beyond Scola's level. You have to keep that in mind when you bring in a player like AB.

Nalod wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

playa2 wrote:Let's be real about the trade.

We all found out that all we needed in the Pacer series was a big man to bring the center for the pacers out away from the basket, problem was our coach(or management-marketing) didn't like the player who was capable of doing that(Copeland) from Newark NJ.

Neither plays awesome defense but can do what we lacked if on the court, but one is more marketable than the other.

So we go out and find another C/F who can do the same thing(who has more NBA experience) who's international flavor in Italy will sell more knicks Jerseys there and in NY. As knicks fans we must always look at the marketing plan 1ST AND FOREMOST,when it comes NYC big business mindset of James Dolan.

Do you really think that Copeland didn't play because he is from New Jersey?

No, because he from Newark!!!!

Playa2 does not know that jersey sales don't go to the team. Look it up. Maybe Alex Jones can sell you Floride filters for your water while your there. Used to be a communist fear, now its the Illuminati? Or the devil?

The trade has little to do with marketing because bargnani is not charismatic at all, its about keeping up with the Nyet and the battle for NY.

They gave up a future asset in the 2016 pick which can be swapped. THis is also about keeping Melo engaged so he don't bolt next year in the event we screw the pooch! Its the play book we did to keep Ewing in town. Good enough to win and get to playoffs but not championship quality. Playa is right about that!

I doubt we did this in reaction to just Hibbert. Basically in the Playa2 scenario Tyson sits. I doubt that happens. If Tyson and Bargs on the floor Hibber stays with Tyson. We might not even face the Pacers in the playoffs so why make a trade for that scenario? We not paying 14mm for tyson to sit! If he does, Its the 100mm man (Amare) who plays. In I can see Mark west playing bargs. In any event Im not worried about pacers just yet.

Playa2 says "lets be real"? Maybe the only thing he said thats plausible was that Cope was from Newark, the rest is his attempt to talk hoop because if he keeps a high % of conspiracy vs his basketball output he'll get banned. Yeah, Im riding Playa2 these days.

just random footage of a game between the nuggets and Toronto, when melo and kmart were in Denver....its interesting.

It just shows the potential the Knicks could have by adding this guy....he's might not be a superstar or an all-star....but he is a starting caliber player. When you add starting talent to your team....you got better.