3G4G wrote:So do you...we're not getting Rondo and Love as team is constructed with vague unknown projections. Zach being older would be another reason he's not commanding as much money per year but may want to opt out to get longer guaranteed money.

Until you be more clear of what you stated, there's no room for you to be questioning others in what they think will happen. The point I was making, Melo very well could be allured to play in L.A. because of Kobe and Cap Space and his familiarity with Los Angeles and Phil Jackson factor.

You're more than welcome to post actual salary of who you truly anticipate being here in 2015.

Melo		15
Rondo		15
Love		15
Shump		4
THJr		1
Leslie		0.75
Felton		4.5
JR Smith	6
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		61.25

Salary cap for 2015-16 should be $62-64M

If the Knicks and Melo are smart they pay him as much as they can, $30-35M in a 1 year deal for 2014-2015 - about $10-12 more than he is worth at that time. Resign him for 3 year deal at $10M, $12M, $14M. Own his Bird right then when he is 34. I still literally cannot tell what the Knicks can do with Melo on a 1 year deal so perhaps $30 is off.

so maybe it could be this: (and obviously I am assuming Tyson takes a pay cut to stay after getting overpaid)

Melo		10
Rondo		15
Love		15
Shump		4
THJr		1
Leslie		0.75
Felton		4.5
JR Smith	6
Tyson Chandler  7
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		63.25

Starting: Tyson (32 Years Old), Love (26), Melo (31), Shump (24), Rondo (29). Bench: THJr, Smith, Felton, Leslie, Big, Big.

This team compliments itself very well and is balanced.

If you can't give Melo crazy raises, perhaps JR is movable for draft picks. Same with Felton (who can opt out):

Melo		15
Rondo		15
Love		15
Shump		4
THJr		1
Leslie		0.75
Tyson		8
Felton		5
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		63.75

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'm no expert on this but I thought someone posted that Shumpert's cap hold was $7 mil in 2015

cap hold is what it is, qualifying offer is $4M. Gotta convince him to take that and then sign at crazy dollars the next year.

Yeah Shump's cap hold will be roughly $6.9mil I don't see him taking the $4mil. He'll be due for an extension next year(by October) so either we lock him into a good figure early or we let the market set his value. No way his agent allows him to play for $4mil if he's the next Paul George. Plus playing at $4mil would hurt his potential salary gain with us. It would have to be sweeter like Walsh did with Lee and Nate where he doubled their QO value on the 1yr.

Shump likes to spend money if we haven't already found that out.

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:So do you...we're not getting Rondo and Love as team is constructed with vague unknown projections. Zach being older would be another reason he's not commanding as much money per year but may want to opt out to get longer guaranteed money.

Until you be more clear of what you stated, there's no room for you to be questioning others in what they think will happen. The point I was making, Melo very well could be allured to play in L.A. because of Kobe and Cap Space and his familiarity with Los Angeles and Phil Jackson factor.

You're more than welcome to post actual salary of who you truly anticipate being here in 2015.

Melo		15
Rondo		15
Love		15
Shump		4
THJr		1
Leslie		0.75
Felton		4.5
JR Smith	6
--------------------
		61.25

Salary cap for 2015-16 should be $62-64M

If the Knicks and Melo are smart they pay him as much as they can, $30-35M in a 1 year deal for 2014-2015 - about $10-12 more than he is worth at that time. Resign him for 3 year deal at $10M, $12M, $14M. Own his Bird right then when he is 34. I still literally cannot tell what the Knicks can do with Melo on a 1 year deal so perhaps $30 is off.

so maybe it could be this: (and obviously I am assuming Tyson takes a pay cut to stay after getting overpaid)

Melo		10
Rondo		15
Love		15
Shump		4
THJr		1
Leslie		0.75
Felton		4.5
JR Smith	6
Tyson Chandler  7
--------------------
		63.25

Starting: Tyson (32 Years Old), Love (26), Melo (31), Shump (24), Rondo (29). Bench: THJr, Smith, Felton, Leslie, Big, Big.

This team compliments itself very well and is balanced.

If you can't give Melo crazy raises, perhaps JR is movable for draft picks. Same with Felton (who can opt out):

Melo		15
Rondo		15
Love		15
Shump		4
THJr		1
Leslie		0.75
Tyson		8
Felton		5
--------------------
		63.75

So I am not following the one year deal thing. Pay him 35MM for one year?? And what would that accomplish?

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'm no expert on this but I thought someone posted that Shumpert's cap hold was $7 mil in 2015

cap hold is what it is, qualifying offer is $4M. Gotta convince him to take that and then sign at crazy dollars the next year.

Yeah Shump's cap hold will be roughly $6.9mil I don't see him taking the $4mil. He'll be due for an extension next year(by October) so either we lock him into a good figure early or we let the market set his value. No way his agent allows him to play for $4mil if he's the next Paul George. Plus playing at $4mil would hurt his potential salary gain with us. It would have to be sweeter like Walsh did with Lee and Nate where he doubled their QO value on the 1yr.

Shump likes to spend money if we haven't already found that out.

did you just compare Shump to Paul George?

Either way, cap hold, extention, still doesn't change the general structure.

So, how's Cousin getting to the Lakers? And why is Zach reducing his salary to $10M to play with aging players and Melo and why does Memphis not offer him an extension?

No I was being sarcastic with the playoff comparison Shump to George...

Zach can go try and play with kids if he wants if that's what you feel he'll do. Just like you feel Zach will opt in to $16mil... I say Shump won't take $4mil from us. Since we've refused trading him on multiple occasions, he'll be the first young player in many moons we actually extend.....BOOK IT!

Already outlined what I think the Lakers could do and I notice how you tried to fudge on the overall Cap figure...just so you know the figure barely budged an inch from last year like 400K if that. Cap won't be $62-64mil by 2015.

Melo is entitled to 35% of cap whenever he's eligible to negotiate a deal...so no we can't pay him $30mil for 1 yr. Martin is trying to find a creative way to overpay 1 yr and then supplement the 1yr hefty payment with major decrease the following seasons. Not doable in any Galaxy known to man.

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'm no expert on this but I thought someone posted that Shumpert's cap hold was $7 mil in 2015

cap hold is what it is, qualifying offer is $4M. Gotta convince him to take that and then sign at crazy dollars the next year.

Yeah Shump's cap hold will be roughly $6.9mil I don't see him taking the $4mil. He'll be due for an extension next year(by October) so either we lock him into a good figure early or we let the market set his value. No way his agent allows him to play for $4mil if he's the next Paul George. Plus playing at $4mil would hurt his potential salary gain with us. It would have to be sweeter like Walsh did with Lee and Nate where he doubled their QO value on the 1yr.

Shump likes to spend money if we haven't already found that out.

did you just compare Shump to Paul George?

Either way, cap hold, extention, still doesn't change the general structure.

So, how's Cousin getting to the Lakers? And why is Zach reducing his salary to $10M to play with aging players and Melo and why does Memphis not offer him an extension?

No I was being sarcastic with the playoff comparison Shump to George...

Zach can go try and play with kids if he wants if that's what you feel he'll do. Just like you feel Zach will opt in to $16mil... I say Shump won't take $4mil from us. Since we've refused trading him on multiple occasions, he'll be the first young player in many moons we actually extend.....BOOK IT!

Already outlined what I think the Lakers could do and I notice how you tried to fudge on the overall Cap figure...just so you know the figure barely budged an inch from last year like 400K if that. Cap won't be $62-64mil by 2015.

Melo is entitled to 35% of cap whenever he's eligible to negotiate a deal...so no we can't pay him $30mil for 1 yr. Martin is trying to find a creative way to overpay 1 yr and then supplement the 1yr hefty payment with major decrease the following seasons. Not doable in any Galaxy known to man.

look up salary cap numbers and $62-64M is not unreasonable guess for 2015-2016. at most I'm off by 1-2M? And that's all you can talk about?

If Melo is only entitled to 35%, how can Kobe make $30M this coming year and Melo set to get $25M for 2014-2015. 35% of 60M is 21? Please point me to Larry Coon entry for precise accounting.

I have stated all of my assumptions in clear form.

Please let me know how Cousins makes it to the Lakers and is willing to take $10M from them while demanding max extension this offseason and why SAC won't match. Still waiting for you to admit that you havent thought anything through yet or are willing to address a big time **** up.

Because Kobe's salary reflects old CBA money first of all and he's on the last year of it, so his percentages have escalated accordingly. When and if Melo opts out he's only entitled to 35% of cap.

Cousins is a malcontent. I don't think he'll get more than $10mil per. Maybe Sacramento matches but players can demand all they want. Josh demanded Max from Atlanta didn't get squat from them and signed for $13.5mil from Detroit far cry from Max.

Fans act like DeMarcus Cousins has done something special in this league and he has been nothing but trouble. As talented as J.R. Smith can be at times fans feel he cost himself money Cousins is in the same light.

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:Cousins is a malcontent. I don't think he'll get more than $10mil per. Maybe Sacramento matches but players can demand all they want. Josh demanded Max from Atlanta didn't get squat from them and signed for $13.5mil from Detroit far cry from Max.

Fans act like DeMarcus Cousins has done something special in this league and he has been nothing but trouble. As talented as J.R. Smith can be at times fans feel he cost himself money Cousins is in the same light.

So mostly you think SAC just lets him walk without matching?

If Calderon would have accepted a deal from Sacramento they were going to let Reke walk to the Pelicans with no S&T. The only reason they got one done is because of Jose rejecting to re-sign.

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

MS wrote:Who really cares. So we are a 6th seed instead of a five. The Knicks had the model to follow, they broke it, not suprisingly and are now in the same position as always. Not good enough to win a title, but good enough never to improve.

having a gigantic amount of cap space with Love, Rondo, Aldridge come up as free agents doesn't present the opportunity to improve?

martin do you honestly think that rondo will leave boston? seriously... And love and Aldridge will be traded IMO to destinations of their choice and resign.... the key is, how many teams will have cap space and a better situation in 2015..

cap space is great martin, but alone is not enough.. you need a combination of cap space, picks and preferably a young core to move forward with.. I mean every team with cap space can say the same thing you are saying.. cleveland will have a ton of cap space then as well, and they will have uncle drew as a major piece to showcase.. young piece... and picks..

I am not buying that the knicks are building towards 2015.. no way, no how.. nothing they are doing is giving me any indication that is what they are trying to do..

Rondo has already given indication he wants out. And Knicks will have cap space in 2015, that is an indication they are allowing themselves that opportunity. Knicks with Melo, Shumpert, Hardaway jr, and the cap space will pose one of the more attractive situations for any major free agent that summer. We have young pieces, and not having a couple late first round picks won't matter in this case.

only a knick fan would say and think this.. really, I just beg you for one minute to put yourself in the shoes of someone who is just a NBA fan... I don't think anyone would say that melo, shumpert and hardaway JR makes for any reason to come play for the knicks.. I just don't get that.. but hey...if you think that is an attractive core of players to draw FA's then fine... I will continue to say this.. the knicks are by no means looking towards 2015 other than it being another year to milk fans out of money..

Well at least you finally admitted that you are not a Knicks fan. You are just a NBA fan who hates the Knicks.

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

MS wrote:Who really cares. So we are a 6th seed instead of a five. The Knicks had the model to follow, they broke it, not suprisingly and are now in the same position as always. Not good enough to win a title, but good enough never to improve.

having a gigantic amount of cap space with Love, Rondo, Aldridge come up as free agents doesn't present the opportunity to improve?

martin do you honestly think that rondo will leave boston? seriously... And love and Aldridge will be traded IMO to destinations of their choice and resign.... the key is, how many teams will have cap space and a better situation in 2015..

cap space is great martin, but alone is not enough.. you need a combination of cap space, picks and preferably a young core to move forward with.. I mean every team with cap space can say the same thing you are saying.. cleveland will have a ton of cap space then as well, and they will have uncle drew as a major piece to showcase.. young piece... and picks..

I am not buying that the knicks are building towards 2015.. no way, no how.. nothing they are doing is giving me any indication that is what they are trying to do..

Rondo has already given indication he wants out. And Knicks will have cap space in 2015, that is an indication they are allowing themselves that opportunity. Knicks with Melo, Shumpert, Hardaway jr, and the cap space will pose one of the more attractive situations for any major free agent that summer. We have young pieces, and not having a couple late first round picks won't matter in this case.

only a knick fan would say and think this.. really, I just beg you for one minute to put yourself in the shoes of someone who is just a NBA fan... I don't think anyone would say that melo, shumpert and hardaway JR makes for any reason to come play for the knicks.. I just don't get that.. but hey...if you think that is an attractive core of players to draw FA's then fine... I will continue to say this.. the knicks are by no means looking towards 2015 other than it being another year to milk fans out of money..

Papabear Says

Well at least you finally admitted that you are not a Knicks fan. You are just a NBA fan who hates the Knicks.

really? why the baiting post?

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

MS wrote:Who really cares. So we are a 6th seed instead of a five. The Knicks had the model to follow, they broke it, not suprisingly and are now in the same position as always. Not good enough to win a title, but good enough never to improve.

having a gigantic amount of cap space with Love, Rondo, Aldridge come up as free agents doesn't present the opportunity to improve?

martin do you honestly think that rondo will leave boston? seriously... And love and Aldridge will be traded IMO to destinations of their choice and resign.... the key is, how many teams will have cap space and a better situation in 2015..

cap space is great martin, but alone is not enough.. you need a combination of cap space, picks and preferably a young core to move forward with.. I mean every team with cap space can say the same thing you are saying.. cleveland will have a ton of cap space then as well, and they will have uncle drew as a major piece to showcase.. young piece... and picks..

I am not buying that the knicks are building towards 2015.. no way, no how.. nothing they are doing is giving me any indication that is what they are trying to do..

Papabear Says

So what do you do? Quit being a Knicks fan? Or just what do you do

actually there is hope, the carmelo opt out is a blessing.. I hope he does.. then we should start dumping big contracts like chandler and try to get pack some sort of pick.... we are so screwed with no picks and that just upsets me to no end...

which is why I say try to get rid of carmelo now, see what you can get... same with chandler....

You are so doom and gloom is unreal. Just sit back and enjoy your team, or find a new team. No one is trading melo, just give it up.

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

MS wrote:Who really cares. So we are a 6th seed instead of a five. The Knicks had the model to follow, they broke it, not suprisingly and are now in the same position as always. Not good enough to win a title, but good enough never to improve.

having a gigantic amount of cap space with Love, Rondo, Aldridge come up as free agents doesn't present the opportunity to improve?

martin do you honestly think that rondo will leave boston? seriously... And love and Aldridge will be traded IMO to destinations of their choice and resign.... the key is, how many teams will have cap space and a better situation in 2015..

cap space is great martin, but alone is not enough.. you need a combination of cap space, picks and preferably a young core to move forward with.. I mean every team with cap space can say the same thing you are saying.. cleveland will have a ton of cap space then as well, and they will have uncle drew as a major piece to showcase.. young piece... and picks..

I am not buying that the knicks are building towards 2015.. no way, no how.. nothing they are doing is giving me any indication that is what they are trying to do..

Papabear Says

So what do you do? Quit being a Knicks fan? Or just what do you do

actually there is hope, the carmelo opt out is a blessing.. I hope he does.. then we should start dumping big contracts like chandler and try to get pack some sort of pick.... we are so screwed with no picks and that just upsets me to no end...

which is why I say try to get rid of carmelo now, see what you can get... same with chandler....

You are so doom and gloom is unreal. Just sit back and enjoy your team, or find a new team. No one is trading melo, just give it up.

well then he opts out.. yippee for me.. as a Knick fan you should hope we can trade this guy and get something back... Who are you rooting for.. the knicks OR the Carmelo's?