TeamBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TeamBall wrote:I hope we abandon that reliance on 3 point shooting. Things got all kinds of ugly when we went cold.

I wonder if the two teams in the finals feel that way.

I dont think the 2 teams in the finals are concerned with the what the Knicks do.

No he means that they take and make a lot of 3's as part of their offense.

Yeah I get that and I see his point. Im not saying the Knicks stop taking 3s period. Like Knickscity said, the 3 ball is a big part of the game today. I just dont like the reliance the Knicks specifically had on it - especially since most of our players forget how to shoot once the playoffs started for some reason.

This is why I want the Knicks to make sure we add another quick penetrating guard to the roster. Being able to breakdown a defense on a regular basis is HUGE. Felton can't do it for long before he wears down. Even in his best year with MDA he showed signs of wearing down. He's not built to constantly attack like that. A guard with a lighter frame and great legs should be able to do it. Also making sure we have that post game besides Melo is crucial. More off the ball motion has been something i've been screaming for. Just look at how the players move on the Spurs when they don't have the ball.

knickscity wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knickscity wrote:Keep thinking the team is really good, because it isn't no matter who the coach is.

the better coaches wont leave their situations for this team and everyone knows.

How about this: I don't think the team is really good AND I don't think Woodson is a good coach. I think we won more games than I thought we would because the Bulls, Celtics, and 76ers lost their best players to injury for most of the season to the whole season; the Magic blew up their team to rebuild; and Indy missed Granger for almost the whole season.

Ironically we had a pretty good record against those teams even when they had those players in the regular season, we won the games that Rose played, and against the Celtics with Rondo as well.

The regular season isn't my issue, the playoffs are, this team isn't built for the postseason mainly because they dont play with 100 effort and dont play defense for the majority of the game and is led by inefficient scoring.

That's not a coaching issue, it's personnel related.

We went 1-1 against Boston when Rondo was healthy and Rose missed the entire season so we never played against him.

The poor defense and inefficient scoring are on Woodson, it's his poor gameplans not anyone else's. The inconsistent effort can sometimes be blamed on the coach but I don't think so in this case; with us I think it's on the players.

knickscity wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TeamBall wrote:I hope we abandon that reliance on 3 point shooting. Things got all kinds of ugly when we went cold.

I wonder if the two teams in the finals feel that way.

I dont think the 2 teams in the finals are concerned with the what the Knicks do.

Probably not, but I'd bet the Knicks are concerned about those teams which is why they modeled certain facets of what they do best.

Threes are part of the game now.

I didnt say abandon the existence. I dont mind that we shoot 3's. I just didnt like how much we relied on it.

Both the finals teams rely on threes, the Spurs get swept without those threes considering a subpar Timmy and non existent manu.

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:There are some people here that just aren't seeming to get the gist of the problem with Woody. It ain't the regular season!!! Forget about the 54 wins. That only goes so far. The real deal is the PLAYOFFS!!! This team was put together to challenge the Heat in the ECF's. Winning the Atlantic was only the 1st step towards that goal and you can't make a season based solely on that. Woody has always been able to win in the regular season. The thing that bothered many was his failures in the PLAYOFFS. That's where he's historically been weak and he proved it again.

Now to make this clear for you guys once more. The real issue isn't whether this team was better than Indy or Miami. The issue is what kind of job did Woodson do in the playoffs with his team. He was awful in the postseason again. Starting with issues in the Boston series and even worse in the Indy series. Huge mistakes!!! Things you just didn't see the other coaches doing. Just compare the jobs MJax, Doc, Vogel, Thibs and Hollins did with their teams even in defeat. They did FAR better than Woodson did. He screwed up his own roster. ALL of those other teams played even better versions of the kind of team they came into the playoffs being. GS was even better offensively, Celtics played even harder, Pacers were even more of the ground n pound team they are, Bulls were even tougher defensively etc. The Knicks didn't play a better version of themselves, they went in the complete opposite direction. That's poor coaching. No excuses.

2012-13 Coach of the Year results
Coach 	Team 	                1st 	2nd 	3rd 	Total
George Karl 	Denver 	        62 	26 	16 	404
Erik Spoelstra 	Miami 	        24 	17 	19 	190
Mike Woodson 	New York 	6 	28 	13 	127
Gregg Popovich 	San Antonio 	11 	16 	17 	120
Frank Vogel 	Indiana 	3 	11 	12 	60
Lionel Hollins 	Memphis 	6 	4 	13 	55
Mark Jackson 	Golden State 	3 	6 	14 	47
Tom Thibodeau 	Chicago 	2 	7 	9 	40
Kevin McHale 	Houston 	1 	3 	3 	17
P.J. Carlesimo 	Brooklyn 	1 	1 	0 	8
Vinny Del Negro LA Clippers 	1 	1 	0 	8
Larry Drew 	Atlanta 	1 	0 	1 	6
Doc Rivers 	Boston 	        0 	1 	1 	4
Scott Brooks 	Oklahoma City 	0 	0 	3 	3

Really, the jobs guys did in defeat?????...Look like some writers compared the jobs they did a long time ago before u did..

So, I'm confused. A minute ago you were claiming that MDA and George Karl are worse coaches than Woodson but now you're using the COY voting to show that Woodson is a good coach but both MDA and George Karl have won COY. So, which is it?

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:There are some people here that just aren't seeming to get the gist of the problem with Woody. It ain't the regular season!!! Forget about the 54 wins. That only goes so far. The real deal is the PLAYOFFS!!! This team was put together to challenge the Heat in the ECF's. Winning the Atlantic was only the 1st step towards that goal and you can't make a season based solely on that. Woody has always been able to win in the regular season. The thing that bothered many was his failures in the PLAYOFFS. That's where he's historically been weak and he proved it again.

Now to make this clear for you guys once more. The real issue isn't whether this team was better than Indy or Miami. The issue is what kind of job did Woodson do in the playoffs with his team. He was awful in the postseason again. Starting with issues in the Boston series and even worse in the Indy series. Huge mistakes!!! Things you just didn't see the other coaches doing. Just compare the jobs MJax, Doc, Vogel, Thibs and Hollins did with their teams even in defeat. They did FAR better than Woodson did. He screwed up his own roster. ALL of those other teams played even better versions of the kind of team they came into the playoffs being. GS was even better offensively, Celtics played even harder, Pacers were even more of the ground n pound team they are, Bulls were even tougher defensively etc. The Knicks didn't play a better version of themselves, they went in the complete opposite direction. That's poor coaching. No excuses.

2012-13 Coach of the Year results
Coach 	Team 	                1st 	2nd 	3rd 	Total
George Karl 	Denver 	        62 	26 	16 	404
Erik Spoelstra 	Miami 	        24 	17 	19 	190
Mike Woodson 	New York 	6 	28 	13 	127
Gregg Popovich 	San Antonio 	11 	16 	17 	120
Frank Vogel 	Indiana 	3 	11 	12 	60
Lionel Hollins 	Memphis 	6 	4 	13 	55
Mark Jackson 	Golden State 	3 	6 	14 	47
Tom Thibodeau 	Chicago 	2 	7 	9 	40
Kevin McHale 	Houston 	1 	3 	3 	17
P.J. Carlesimo 	Brooklyn 	1 	1 	0 	8
Vinny Del Negro LA Clippers 	1 	1 	0 	8
Larry Drew 	Atlanta 	1 	0 	1 	6
Doc Rivers 	Boston 	        0 	1 	1 	4
Scott Brooks 	Oklahoma City 	0 	0 	3 	3

Really, the jobs guys did in defeat?????

I'm convinced that you are are unable to read and comprehend what you've read. This isn't about the regular season. You are putting WAY too much emphasis on that. Aside from making the playoffs the regular season doesn't mean much if you totally mess up in the playoffs. Good teams aren't really obsessed with the regular season. It's all about what you do in the playoffs. What's the point of having the best record if you lose in the playoffs before the WCF or ECF? You can keep on being happy with a nice regular season record as if that really means anything. Once again i'll ask how did Woody do in comparison to the other coaches I listed? Did the Knicks play an even better version of themselves in the playoffs or where they worse?

Is Indy a better more well balanced team than the Knicks...Do they play better defense???If so, you arguments are purely speculative...

Since you're such a lover of the regular season record, i'd have to say that NO the Pacers were not a better team than the Knicks. The Knicks had plenty of depth. Woody just mismanaged the roster. When you play Kidd and JR too much and don't use the rest of your bench that's on the coach!!! The Pacers aren't deep at all!!! They just got better coaching. Vogel used his roster WAY better and he got more out of his team than Woody did in the Playoffs.

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:There are some people here that just aren't seeming to get the gist of the problem with Woody. It ain't the regular season!!! Forget about the 54 wins. That only goes so far. The real deal is the PLAYOFFS!!! This team was put together to challenge the Heat in the ECF's. Winning the Atlantic was only the 1st step towards that goal and you can't make a season based solely on that. Woody has always been able to win in the regular season. The thing that bothered many was his failures in the PLAYOFFS. That's where he's historically been weak and he proved it again.

Now to make this clear for you guys once more. The real issue isn't whether this team was better than Indy or Miami. The issue is what kind of job did Woodson do in the playoffs with his team. He was awful in the postseason again. Starting with issues in the Boston series and even worse in the Indy series. Huge mistakes!!! Things you just didn't see the other coaches doing. Just compare the jobs MJax, Doc, Vogel, Thibs and Hollins did with their teams even in defeat. They did FAR better than Woodson did. He screwed up his own roster. ALL of those other teams played even better versions of the kind of team they came into the playoffs being. GS was even better offensively, Celtics played even harder, Pacers were even more of the ground n pound team they are, Bulls were even tougher defensively etc. The Knicks didn't play a better version of themselves, they went in the complete opposite direction. That's poor coaching. No excuses.

2012-13 Coach of the Year results
Coach 	Team 	                1st 	2nd 	3rd 	Total
George Karl 	Denver 	        62 	26 	16 	404
Erik Spoelstra 	Miami 	        24 	17 	19 	190
Mike Woodson 	New York 	6 	28 	13 	127
Gregg Popovich 	San Antonio 	11 	16 	17 	120
Frank Vogel 	Indiana 	3 	11 	12 	60
Lionel Hollins 	Memphis 	6 	4 	13 	55
Mark Jackson 	Golden State 	3 	6 	14 	47
Tom Thibodeau 	Chicago 	2 	7 	9 	40
Kevin McHale 	Houston 	1 	3 	3 	17
P.J. Carlesimo 	Brooklyn 	1 	1 	0 	8
Vinny Del Negro LA Clippers 	1 	1 	0 	8
Larry Drew 	Atlanta 	1 	0 	1 	6
Doc Rivers 	Boston 	        0 	1 	1 	4
Scott Brooks 	Oklahoma City 	0 	0 	3 	3

Really, the jobs guys did in defeat?????

I'm convinced that you are are unable to read and comprehend what you've read. This isn't about the regular season. You are putting WAY too much emphasis on that. Aside from making the playoffs the regular season doesn't mean much if you totally mess up in the playoffs. Good teams aren't really obsessed with the regular season. It's all about what you do in the playoffs. What's the point of having the best record if you lose in the playoffs before the WCF or ECF? You can keep on being happy with a nice regular season record as if that really means anything. Once again i'll ask how did Woody do in comparison to the other coaches I listed? Did the Knicks play an even better version of themselves in the playoffs or where they worse?

Is Indy a better more well balanced team than the Knicks...Do they play better defense???If so, you arguments are purely speculative...

Since you're such a lover of the regular season record, i'd have to say that NO the Pacers were not a better team than the Knicks. The Knicks had plenty of depth. Woody just mismanaged the roster. When you play Kidd and JR too much and don't use the rest of your bench that's on the coach!!! The Pacers aren't deep at all!!! They just got better coaching. Vogel used his roster WAY better and he got more out of his team than Woody did in the Playoffs.

So are u saying that Indy is not a better, more well balanced team than the Knicks???..Are you saying that Indy does not play better defense than the Knicks???

VCoug wrote:

knickscity wrote:I think you guys need to clear the air.

Do you really think Woodson held this team back?

I think in the regular season he was a net 0. For everything he added he took something else away. In the postseason he was terrible and he and the team were completely exposed.

nixluva wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:I'm sorry the Woodson is 72-46 since taking over from MDA...Numbers that haven't been seen in god knows how long...Why is Woodson catching shet from all angles again???..Why was the same people shoveling shet McHale's way again???..Same folks handing out congrads to Karl on a brilliant year after he got bounced in the first round...

Lots of bad coaches can get carried to 50 wins; lots of bad coaches can make it to the 2nd round and even further. Throughout the season, and especially in the playoffs, he showed an inability to gameplan, doesn't really put our players in the best position to succeed, and has an overreliance on "his guys" even when they aren't performing at all.

What are u and the other whiners talking about..What evidence do u have other than pouting at everything that doesn't satisfy your own demands..Lin isn't here so everything is bad...Gallo isn't here so Melo is a thug..The coach that gave Lin his shot got bounced so now we are mad at the world..Be honest, man up..I work and live in a results oriented world..I don't understand the nuances of losing provided by the previous coach that was so pleasing to most here...Help me to understand....We were losing to Charlottes and Sacramentos of the world twice a year and now we are not losing to those crappy teams anymore...What am I missing???...We lost to a better team in the second round that was deeper and had better balance..They played better defense...What could Phil Jackson or Riles have done..Answer, play Camby and Copeland...My good lord...Truly, truly amazing...

Please good lord, bless us with a "bad coach" that can lead us to a Championship and I promise I won't complain..My com-padres love the great coaches who can't make it to the playoffs or gets bounced in the first round...I know they are dying to tell me Karl is great, MDA is great..Only thing is the evidence don't support their argument...They think we have arrived two games over .500...54 wins with a broken down squad injured most of the season with one guy carrying you...Oh yeah, they hate him too...hahahahahahahahaha...Twighlight Zone baby!!!..Can't make this shet up, people won't believe you!!!!

Dude you are so one dimensional it's sad. How many times have people pointed it out to you that based on "results" that you claim to base all your "reasoning" on both Karl and MDA have careers that are more accomplished than Mike Fucking Woodson???

CAN YOU ACTUALLY READ?

I was just writing the same thing!!! We wish that Woodson could coach this team to 2 ECF's or at the very least do a job like Vogel did with his team this year. How about Thibs minus his one Superstar! MJax with a young team with no real experience. Woody did a horrible job managing his roster and preparing his team.

I give up- I can tell a lost cause when I see one.

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:There are some people here that just aren't seeming to get the gist of the problem with Woody. It ain't the regular season!!! Forget about the 54 wins. That only goes so far. The real deal is the PLAYOFFS!!! This team was put together to challenge the Heat in the ECF's. Winning the Atlantic was only the 1st step towards that goal and you can't make a season based solely on that. Woody has always been able to win in the regular season. The thing that bothered many was his failures in the PLAYOFFS. That's where he's historically been weak and he proved it again.

Now to make this clear for you guys once more. The real issue isn't whether this team was better than Indy or Miami. The issue is what kind of job did Woodson do in the playoffs with his team. He was awful in the postseason again. Starting with issues in the Boston series and even worse in the Indy series. Huge mistakes!!! Things you just didn't see the other coaches doing. Just compare the jobs MJax, Doc, Vogel, Thibs and Hollins did with their teams even in defeat. They did FAR better than Woodson did. He screwed up his own roster. ALL of those other teams played even better versions of the kind of team they came into the playoffs being. GS was even better offensively, Celtics played even harder, Pacers were even more of the ground n pound team they are, Bulls were even tougher defensively etc. The Knicks didn't play a better version of themselves, they went in the complete opposite direction. That's poor coaching. No excuses.

2012-13 Coach of the Year results
Coach 	Team 	                1st 	2nd 	3rd 	Total
George Karl 	Denver 	        62 	26 	16 	404
Erik Spoelstra 	Miami 	        24 	17 	19 	190
Mike Woodson 	New York 	6 	28 	13 	127
Gregg Popovich 	San Antonio 	11 	16 	17 	120
Frank Vogel 	Indiana 	3 	11 	12 	60
Lionel Hollins 	Memphis 	6 	4 	13 	55
Mark Jackson 	Golden State 	3 	6 	14 	47
Tom Thibodeau 	Chicago 	2 	7 	9 	40
Kevin McHale 	Houston 	1 	3 	3 	17
P.J. Carlesimo 	Brooklyn 	1 	1 	0 	8
Vinny Del Negro LA Clippers 	1 	1 	0 	8
Larry Drew 	Atlanta 	1 	0 	1 	6
Doc Rivers 	Boston 	        0 	1 	1 	4
Scott Brooks 	Oklahoma City 	0 	0 	3 	3

Really, the jobs guys did in defeat?????

I'm convinced that you are are unable to read and comprehend what you've read. This isn't about the regular season. You are putting WAY too much emphasis on that. Aside from making the playoffs the regular season doesn't mean much if you totally mess up in the playoffs. Good teams aren't really obsessed with the regular season. It's all about what you do in the playoffs. What's the point of having the best record if you lose in the playoffs before the WCF or ECF? You can keep on being happy with a nice regular season record as if that really means anything. Once again i'll ask how did Woody do in comparison to the other coaches I listed? Did the Knicks play an even better version of themselves in the playoffs or where they worse?

Is Indy a better more well balanced team than the Knicks...Do they play better defense???If so, you arguments are purely speculative...

Since you're such a lover of the regular season record, i'd have to say that NO the Pacers were not a better team than the Knicks. The Knicks had plenty of depth. Woody just mismanaged the roster. When you play Kidd and JR too much and don't use the rest of your bench that's on the coach!!! The Pacers aren't deep at all!!! They just got better coaching. Vogel used his roster WAY better and he got more out of his team than Woody did in the Playoffs.

So are u saying that Indy is not a better, more well balanced team than the Knicks???..Are you saying that Indy does not play better defense than the Knicks???

You aren't really getting me at all. It's not about whether the Pacers are better in the pure BB sense of how you want to build a team. It's how Woody and Vogel used the players they had to the best of their abilities. The Heat aren't a traditional team in terms of how they're built or how they play. The Knicks won when they played a brand of BB that fit the make up of their roster best. When the playoffs started Woody didn't make sure that this team played to it's strengths.

Great Coaching is getting the most out of your roster. Woody failed and Vogel succeeded. If Woody had done a better job it's entirely possible that the Knicks would've beaten the Pacers. Woody didn't have a plan for how to defend the Pacers!!! Vogel most certainly had a plan for what he wanted his team to do. The thing is that if Woody had not relied on Melo ISO, JR and Kidd as much and ignored his bench things could've been different.

Game 1 was a huge loss. Kidd played 17 minutes and went 0-1. You can't have a guy out there like that it's a 4 on 5 and even worse when he's on the floor with Tyson and Martin who don't look to score. Then you have JR playing 34 minutes 4-15 and Melo is 10-28. Such inefficient BB is not gonna get it done in the playoffs. Meanwhile Cope had only 8 mins and was 2-3. Novak avg'd 5 mins and Cope avg'd 10 mins despite shooting 48% from 3pt range. We needed floor spacers and outlets to pass the ball to. Instead we got ISO Melo and JR. There are so many more instances of the poor job Woody did.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:There are some people here that just aren't seeming to get the gist of the problem with Woody. It ain't the regular season!!! Forget about the 54 wins. That only goes so far. The real deal is the PLAYOFFS!!! This team was put together to challenge the Heat in the ECF's. Winning the Atlantic was only the 1st step towards that goal and you can't make a season based solely on that. Woody has always been able to win in the regular season. The thing that bothered many was his failures in the PLAYOFFS. That's where he's historically been weak and he proved it again.

Now to make this clear for you guys once more. The real issue isn't whether this team was better than Indy or Miami. The issue is what kind of job did Woodson do in the playoffs with his team. He was awful in the postseason again. Starting with issues in the Boston series and even worse in the Indy series. Huge mistakes!!! Things you just didn't see the other coaches doing. Just compare the jobs MJax, Doc, Vogel, Thibs and Hollins did with their teams even in defeat. They did FAR better than Woodson did. He screwed up his own roster. ALL of those other teams played even better versions of the kind of team they came into the playoffs being. GS was even better offensively, Celtics played even harder, Pacers were even more of the ground n pound team they are, Bulls were even tougher defensively etc. The Knicks didn't play a better version of themselves, they went in the complete opposite direction. That's poor coaching. No excuses.

2012-13 Coach of the Year results
Coach 	Team 	                1st 	2nd 	3rd 	Total
George Karl 	Denver 	        62 	26 	16 	404
Erik Spoelstra 	Miami 	        24 	17 	19 	190
Mike Woodson 	New York 	6 	28 	13 	127
Gregg Popovich 	San Antonio 	11 	16 	17 	120
Frank Vogel 	Indiana 	3 	11 	12 	60
Lionel Hollins 	Memphis 	6 	4 	13 	55
Mark Jackson 	Golden State 	3 	6 	14 	47
Tom Thibodeau 	Chicago 	2 	7 	9 	40
Kevin McHale 	Houston 	1 	3 	3 	17
P.J. Carlesimo 	Brooklyn 	1 	1 	0 	8
Vinny Del Negro LA Clippers 	1 	1 	0 	8
Larry Drew 	Atlanta 	1 	0 	1 	6
Doc Rivers 	Boston 	        0 	1 	1 	4
Scott Brooks 	Oklahoma City 	0 	0 	3 	3

Really, the jobs guys did in defeat?????

I'm convinced that you are are unable to read and comprehend what you've read. This isn't about the regular season. You are putting WAY too much emphasis on that. Aside from making the playoffs the regular season doesn't mean much if you totally mess up in the playoffs. Good teams aren't really obsessed with the regular season. It's all about what you do in the playoffs. What's the point of having the best record if you lose in the playoffs before the WCF or ECF? You can keep on being happy with a nice regular season record as if that really means anything. Once again i'll ask how did Woody do in comparison to the other coaches I listed? Did the Knicks play an even better version of themselves in the playoffs or where they worse?

Is Indy a better more well balanced team than the Knicks...Do they play better defense???If so, you arguments are purely speculative...

Since you're such a lover of the regular season record, i'd have to say that NO the Pacers were not a better team than the Knicks. The Knicks had plenty of depth. Woody just mismanaged the roster. When you play Kidd and JR too much and don't use the rest of your bench that's on the coach!!! The Pacers aren't deep at all!!! They just got better coaching. Vogel used his roster WAY better and he got more out of his team than Woody did in the Playoffs.

I disagree. If you look at the starting five of both teams advantage goes to Indy at every position except where Melo plays and Paul George made that close. Who was Woodson supposed to play if his second leading scorer was struggling that lifts the Knicks over the Pacers? I have heard Camby and Cope's name thrown around. Personally I don't think that gets it done.

It's easy to look at other coaches imo and say "look at what they do", then forget those teams have better players.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:There are some people here that just aren't seeming to get the gist of the problem with Woody. It ain't the regular season!!! Forget about the 54 wins. That only goes so far. The real deal is the PLAYOFFS!!! This team was put together to challenge the Heat in the ECF's. Winning the Atlantic was only the 1st step towards that goal and you can't make a season based solely on that. Woody has always been able to win in the regular season. The thing that bothered many was his failures in the PLAYOFFS. That's where he's historically been weak and he proved it again.

Now to make this clear for you guys once more. The real issue isn't whether this team was better than Indy or Miami. The issue is what kind of job did Woodson do in the playoffs with his team. He was awful in the postseason again. Starting with issues in the Boston series and even worse in the Indy series. Huge mistakes!!! Things you just didn't see the other coaches doing. Just compare the jobs MJax, Doc, Vogel, Thibs and Hollins did with their teams even in defeat. They did FAR better than Woodson did. He screwed up his own roster. ALL of those other teams played even better versions of the kind of team they came into the playoffs being. GS was even better offensively, Celtics played even harder, Pacers were even more of the ground n pound team they are, Bulls were even tougher defensively etc. The Knicks didn't play a better version of themselves, they went in the complete opposite direction. That's poor coaching. No excuses.

2012-13 Coach of the Year results
Coach 	Team 	                1st 	2nd 	3rd 	Total
George Karl 	Denver 	        62 	26 	16 	404
Erik Spoelstra 	Miami 	        24 	17 	19 	190
Mike Woodson 	New York 	6 	28 	13 	127
Gregg Popovich 	San Antonio 	11 	16 	17 	120
Frank Vogel 	Indiana 	3 	11 	12 	60
Lionel Hollins 	Memphis 	6 	4 	13 	55
Mark Jackson 	Golden State 	3 	6 	14 	47
Tom Thibodeau 	Chicago 	2 	7 	9 	40
Kevin McHale 	Houston 	1 	3 	3 	17
P.J. Carlesimo 	Brooklyn 	1 	1 	0 	8
Vinny Del Negro LA Clippers 	1 	1 	0 	8
Larry Drew 	Atlanta 	1 	0 	1 	6
Doc Rivers 	Boston 	        0 	1 	1 	4
Scott Brooks 	Oklahoma City 	0 	0 	3 	3

Really, the jobs guys did in defeat?????

I'm convinced that you are are unable to read and comprehend what you've read. This isn't about the regular season. You are putting WAY too much emphasis on that. Aside from making the playoffs the regular season doesn't mean much if you totally mess up in the playoffs. Good teams aren't really obsessed with the regular season. It's all about what you do in the playoffs. What's the point of having the best record if you lose in the playoffs before the WCF or ECF? You can keep on being happy with a nice regular season record as if that really means anything. Once again i'll ask how did Woody do in comparison to the other coaches I listed? Did the Knicks play an even better version of themselves in the playoffs or where they worse?

Is Indy a better more well balanced team than the Knicks...Do they play better defense???If so, you arguments are purely speculative...

Since you're such a lover of the regular season record, i'd have to say that NO the Pacers were not a better team than the Knicks. The Knicks had plenty of depth. Woody just mismanaged the roster. When you play Kidd and JR too much and don't use the rest of your bench that's on the coach!!! The Pacers aren't deep at all!!! They just got better coaching. Vogel used his roster WAY better and he got more out of his team than Woody did in the Playoffs.

I disagree. If you look at the starting five of both teams advantage goes to Indy at every position except where Melo plays and Paul George made that close. Who was Woodson supposed to play if his second leading scorer was struggling that lifts the Knicks over the Pacers? I have heard Camby and Cope's name thrown around. Personally I don't think that gets it done.

If they think the Knicks had the better team then there are issues deeper than coach evaluation that should concern us...The Pacers clearly had a more balanced squad and a better defensive team..The moment the refs turned a blind eye to Hibbert hitting Melo with his body in the lane, stopping his penetration the series was over...