Osiris wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Osiris wrote:My biggest problem with him is he doesn't respect the uniform he wears!

? could you elaborate

The Knicks are a storied franchise that is working on a return to prominence in the NBA. He couldn't see fit to curb his partying at the most important time in recent Knicks history to effectively do his job! He is a good talent but a team will never win anything meaningful with guys like that. Let him walk and become another teams problem come Playoff time!

i don't know if they're a storied franchise,

they got a couple of chips 40 years ago,

lakers, celtics, those are storied franchises,

new york knicks? it's more like a franchise that tells people it's storied and most people believe it just because it's out of new york, but if you look through the wizard's smoke screen, this is really a mediocre franchise, and that's a shame

GustavBahler wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:We will be lucky to retain JR's services for the upcoming season...Dude play like an all star in stretches...He just needs to transition from streaky play to consistent play, toning down the ups and downs...The problem isn't with JR per se...The Knicks need another scorer to compliment Melo with JR being the third option off the bench...I don't know how Amare fits into all this and don't really think he does...If we need to trade Chandler to get that player, just get it done...Then we add defensive pieces to sure up the middle and the bench..

everything you see needs to be informed by whether you can picture this guy coming up solid in a conference finals series.

my impression is that he comes up way way short when it matters most, and a final four series is when it matters most since that is the ceiling for this team with melo as the main.

then you have to be concerned about his lack of professionalism with what seems to be a substance abuse issue and whatnot.

I noticed he became increasingly thin as the season wore on, if he's a recreational drug user it wouldn't surprise me. There is no up curve when it comes to J.R. especially, once we hand him another fat check.

WOW...Just WOW...U guys been rooting against the Knicks all year..Sure u don't want JR here because it will hurt the Knicks...More opportunity for the Knicks to fail so you can say I told u so about Melo...Sad really...

Nice try hol but I've never liked J.R. Smith and he did nothing this year to draw me closer to liking him. The only players on this team who I appreciate in terms of overall consistent TEAM effort were...

Shump
Kidd
Pablo
Felton
Copeland(somewhat)

The rest only validated the reason(s) I never liked them. It's not just about acquiring talent but bring in some likable professional TEAM players and discussions like these will happen far less than they currently do

U don't have to like him or Melo for that matter..Just recognize that his overall play helped the Knicks be a better team, if you want to be objective...

you're not being objective here, at all. is this guy someone who can contribute in the conference finals? it's all about maximizing opportunities. he squandered his. ****-can this loser!

I want J.R gone too for reasons I have already articulated, but Holfresh is right on the money. I don't know why people are so wrapped up in winning an argument that they can't even concede that the 6th man of the year had a great season. Its juvenile.

sorry but regular season awards are pretty much empty if the content for which they are awarded does not carry over to the playoffs. this is the hypocrisy of regular-season awards in general. it's not about winning an argument it's about winning... period. we need winning players and that means having the tools and the mentality to prevail in the playoffs. jr smith may have won an award but he can't hide behind that when his playoff performance was what it was. he was exposed.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:We will be lucky to retain JR's services for the upcoming season...Dude play like an all star in stretches...He just needs to transition from streaky play to consistent play, toning down the ups and downs...The problem isn't with JR per se...The Knicks need another scorer to compliment Melo with JR being the third option off the bench...I don't know how Amare fits into all this and don't really think he does...If we need to trade Chandler to get that player, just get it done...Then we add defensive pieces to sure up the middle and the bench..

everything you see needs to be informed by whether you can picture this guy coming up solid in a conference finals series.

my impression is that he comes up way way short when it matters most, and a final four series is when it matters most since that is the ceiling for this team with melo as the main.

then you have to be concerned about his lack of professionalism with what seems to be a substance abuse issue and whatnot.

I noticed he became increasingly thin as the season wore on, if he's a recreational drug user it wouldn't surprise me. There is no up curve when it comes to J.R. especially, once we hand him another fat check.

WOW...Just WOW...U guys been rooting against the Knicks all year..Sure u don't want JR here because it will hurt the Knicks...More opportunity for the Knicks to fail so you can say I told u so about Melo...Sad really...

Nice try hol but I've never liked J.R. Smith and he did nothing this year to draw me closer to liking him. The only players on this team who I appreciate in terms of overall consistent TEAM effort were...

Shump
Kidd
Pablo
Felton
Copeland(somewhat)

The rest only validated the reason(s) I never liked them. It's not just about acquiring talent but bring in some likable professional TEAM players and discussions like these will happen far less than they currently do

U don't have to like him or Melo for that matter..Just recognize that his overall play helped the Knicks be a better team, if you want to be objective...

you're not being objective here, at all. is this guy someone who can contribute in the conference finals? it's all about maximizing opportunities. he squandered his. ****-can this loser!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts...Fact is the Knicks were better this year and a big reason is the play of JR Smith..He excelled beyond all expectations...Can u say he doesn't have another gear he could shift into next year??...I don't know and you don't know...He has all the athleticism and talent in the world and seems he is finally beginning to mature as a person and a player... Last year was a huge step for him...He hasn't squandered anything..He's 27 and in his prime...

okay you do have a point here. but he has NOT earned my trust. he has a TON to prove. he had a good run for about a week. you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, fine. you want to extol his talent and athleticism, fine. i am talking about what is between his ears and in his belly. talent and athleticism gets you thorough the regular season-- head and hunger gets you through the playoffs.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:We will be lucky to retain JR's services for the upcoming season...Dude play like an all star in stretches...He just needs to transition from streaky play to consistent play, toning down the ups and downs...The problem isn't with JR per se...The Knicks need another scorer to compliment Melo with JR being the third option off the bench...I don't know how Amare fits into all this and don't really think he does...If we need to trade Chandler to get that player, just get it done...Then we add defensive pieces to sure up the middle and the bench..

everything you see needs to be informed by whether you can picture this guy coming up solid in a conference finals series.

my impression is that he comes up way way short when it matters most, and a final four series is when it matters most since that is the ceiling for this team with melo as the main.

then you have to be concerned about his lack of professionalism with what seems to be a substance abuse issue and whatnot.

I noticed he became increasingly thin as the season wore on, if he's a recreational drug user it wouldn't surprise me. There is no up curve when it comes to J.R. especially, once we hand him another fat check.

WOW...Just WOW...U guys been rooting against the Knicks all year..Sure u don't want JR here because it will hurt the Knicks...More opportunity for the Knicks to fail so you can say I told u so about Melo...Sad really...

Nice try hol but I've never liked J.R. Smith and he did nothing this year to draw me closer to liking him. The only players on this team who I appreciate in terms of overall consistent TEAM effort were...

Shump
Kidd
Pablo
Felton
Copeland(somewhat)

The rest only validated the reason(s) I never liked them. It's not just about acquiring talent but bring in some likable professional TEAM players and discussions like these will happen far less than they currently do

U don't have to like him or Melo for that matter..Just recognize that his overall play helped the Knicks be a better team, if you want to be objective...

you're not being objective here, at all. is this guy someone who can contribute in the conference finals? it's all about maximizing opportunities. he squandered his. ****-can this loser!

I want J.R gone too for reasons I have already articulated, but Holfresh is right on the money. I don't know why people are so wrapped up in winning an argument that they can't even concede that the 6th man of the year had a great season. Its juvenile.

sorry but regular season awards are pretty much empty if the content for which they are awarded does not carry over to the playoffs. this is the hypocrisy of regular-season awards in general. it's not about winning an argument it's about winning... period. we need winning players and that means having the tools and the mentality to prevail in the playoffs. jr smith may have won an award but he can't hide behind that when his playoff performance was what it was. he was exposed.

_______may have won an award but he can't hide behind that when his playoff performance was what it was. he was exposed.

If I insert COY Karl does this apply? First team all defensive center Tyson?

okay so karl was exposed. happy now?

now what about jr smith? isn't that the subject at hand?

dk7th wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:We will be lucky to retain JR's services for the upcoming season...Dude play like an all star in stretches...He just needs to transition from streaky play to consistent play, toning down the ups and downs...The problem isn't with JR per se...The Knicks need another scorer to compliment Melo with JR being the third option off the bench...I don't know how Amare fits into all this and don't really think he does...If we need to trade Chandler to get that player, just get it done...Then we add defensive pieces to sure up the middle and the bench..

everything you see needs to be informed by whether you can picture this guy coming up solid in a conference finals series.

my impression is that he comes up way way short when it matters most, and a final four series is when it matters most since that is the ceiling for this team with melo as the main.

then you have to be concerned about his lack of professionalism with what seems to be a substance abuse issue and whatnot.

I noticed he became increasingly thin as the season wore on, if he's a recreational drug user it wouldn't surprise me. There is no up curve when it comes to J.R. especially, once we hand him another fat check.

WOW...Just WOW...U guys been rooting against the Knicks all year..Sure u don't want JR here because it will hurt the Knicks...More opportunity for the Knicks to fail so you can say I told u so about Melo...Sad really...

Nice try hol but I've never liked J.R. Smith and he did nothing this year to draw me closer to liking him. The only players on this team who I appreciate in terms of overall consistent TEAM effort were...

Shump
Kidd
Pablo
Felton
Copeland(somewhat)

The rest only validated the reason(s) I never liked them. It's not just about acquiring talent but bring in some likable professional TEAM players and discussions like these will happen far less than they currently do

U don't have to like him or Melo for that matter..Just recognize that his overall play helped the Knicks be a better team, if you want to be objective...

you're not being objective here, at all. is this guy someone who can contribute in the conference finals? it's all about maximizing opportunities. he squandered his. ****-can this loser!

I want J.R gone too for reasons I have already articulated, but Holfresh is right on the money. I don't know why people are so wrapped up in winning an argument that they can't even concede that the 6th man of the year had a great season. Its juvenile.

sorry but regular season awards are pretty much empty if the content for which they are awarded does not carry over to the playoffs. this is the hypocrisy of regular-season awards in general. it's not about winning an argument it's about winning... period. we need winning players and that means having the tools and the mentality to prevail in the playoffs. jr smith may have won an award but he can't hide behind that when his playoff performance was what it was. he was exposed.

You are completely missing the point. You can't pretend like it didn't happen by not including that fact in your response. Like I said, I agree that I don't want him back so you are preaching to the choir and avoiding the thrust of my argument.

If your argument is strong enough, admitting that JR did contribute something this season, namely winning the sixth man of the year award won't negate it. It just looks like pride getting the best of you.

GustavBahler wrote:

dk7th wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:We will be lucky to retain JR's services for the upcoming season...Dude play like an all star in stretches...He just needs to transition from streaky play to consistent play, toning down the ups and downs...The problem isn't with JR per se...The Knicks need another scorer to compliment Melo with JR being the third option off the bench...I don't know how Amare fits into all this and don't really think he does...If we need to trade Chandler to get that player, just get it done...Then we add defensive pieces to sure up the middle and the bench..

everything you see needs to be informed by whether you can picture this guy coming up solid in a conference finals series.

my impression is that he comes up way way short when it matters most, and a final four series is when it matters most since that is the ceiling for this team with melo as the main.

then you have to be concerned about his lack of professionalism with what seems to be a substance abuse issue and whatnot.

I noticed he became increasingly thin as the season wore on, if he's a recreational drug user it wouldn't surprise me. There is no up curve when it comes to J.R. especially, once we hand him another fat check.

WOW...Just WOW...U guys been rooting against the Knicks all year..Sure u don't want JR here because it will hurt the Knicks...More opportunity for the Knicks to fail so you can say I told u so about Melo...Sad really...

Nice try hol but I've never liked J.R. Smith and he did nothing this year to draw me closer to liking him. The only players on this team who I appreciate in terms of overall consistent TEAM effort were...

Shump
Kidd
Pablo
Felton
Copeland(somewhat)

The rest only validated the reason(s) I never liked them. It's not just about acquiring talent but bring in some likable professional TEAM players and discussions like these will happen far less than they currently do

U don't have to like him or Melo for that matter..Just recognize that his overall play helped the Knicks be a better team, if you want to be objective...

you're not being objective here, at all. is this guy someone who can contribute in the conference finals? it's all about maximizing opportunities. he squandered his. ****-can this loser!

I want J.R gone too for reasons I have already articulated, but Holfresh is right on the money. I don't know why people are so wrapped up in winning an argument that they can't even concede that the 6th man of the year had a great season. Its juvenile.

sorry but regular season awards are pretty much empty if the content for which they are awarded does not carry over to the playoffs. this is the hypocrisy of regular-season awards in general. it's not about winning an argument it's about winning... period. we need winning players and that means having the tools and the mentality to prevail in the playoffs. jr smith may have won an award but he can't hide behind that when his playoff performance was what it was. he was exposed.

You are completely missing the point. You can't pretend like it didn't happen by not including that fact in your response. Like I said, I agree that I don't want him back so you are preaching to the choir and avoiding the thrust of my argument.

If your argument is strong enough, admitting that JR did contribute something this season, namely winning the sixth man of the year award won't negate it. It just looks like pride getting the best of you.

let me put it to you this way: in the regular season you are playing against .500 or worse teams half the time over 82 games. in the second round and beyond you are playing against teams that are well-above .500 teams. it is against these teams under these circumstances that you get the true measure of a player.

what is wrong with that assertion?

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Osiris wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Osiris wrote:My biggest problem with him is he doesn't respect the uniform he wears!

? could you elaborate

The Knicks are a storied franchise that is working on a return to prominence in the NBA. He couldn't see fit to curb his partying at the most important time in recent Knicks history to effectively do his job! He is a good talent but a team will never win anything meaningful with guys like that. Let him walk and become another teams problem come Playoff time!

i don't know if they're a storied franchise,

they got a couple of chips 40 years ago,

lakers, celtics, those are storied franchises,

new york knicks? it's more like a franchise that tells people it's storied and most people believe it just because it's out of new york, but if you look through the wizard's smoke screen, this is really a mediocre franchise, and that's a shame

yup, your right, but it's not the franchise that is storied, it's where the knicks play (the worlds most famous MSG) that is storied, if this franchise move to NJ, no one would give a flying fk about them..

I think JR loves the lights more then he does the game, thats why he doesn't want to leave..

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:We will be lucky to retain JR's services for the upcoming season...Dude play like an all star in stretches...He just needs to transition from streaky play to consistent play, toning down the ups and downs...The problem isn't with JR per se...The Knicks need another scorer to compliment Melo with JR being the third option off the bench...I don't know how Amare fits into all this and don't really think he does...If we need to trade Chandler to get that player, just get it done...Then we add defensive pieces to sure up the middle and the bench..

everything you see needs to be informed by whether you can picture this guy coming up solid in a conference finals series.

my impression is that he comes up way way short when it matters most, and a final four series is when it matters most since that is the ceiling for this team with melo as the main.

then you have to be concerned about his lack of professionalism with what seems to be a substance abuse issue and whatnot.

I noticed he became increasingly thin as the season wore on, if he's a recreational drug user it wouldn't surprise me. There is no up curve when it comes to J.R. especially, once we hand him another fat check.

WOW...Just WOW...U guys been rooting against the Knicks all year..Sure u don't want JR here because it will hurt the Knicks...More opportunity for the Knicks to fail so you can say I told u so about Melo...Sad really...

Nice try hol but I've never liked J.R. Smith and he did nothing this year to draw me closer to liking him. The only players on this team who I appreciate in terms of overall consistent TEAM effort were...

Shump
Kidd
Pablo
Felton
Copeland(somewhat)

The rest only validated the reason(s) I never liked them. It's not just about acquiring talent but bring in some likable professional TEAM players and discussions like these will happen far less than they currently do

U don't have to like him or Melo for that matter..Just recognize that his overall play helped the Knicks be a better team, if you want to be objective...

you're not being objective here, at all. is this guy someone who can contribute in the conference finals? it's all about maximizing opportunities. he squandered his. ****-can this loser!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts...Fact is the Knicks were better this year and a big reason is the play of JR Smith..He excelled beyond all expectations...Can u say he doesn't have another gear he could shift into next year??...I don't know and you don't know...He has all the athleticism and talent in the world and seems he is finally beginning to mature as a person and a player... Last year was a huge step for him...He hasn't squandered anything..He's 27 and in his prime...

^exactly. The truth should not need to defend itself but, it is often on trial unfortunately. JR carried us in many games during the regular season and was often the best player on the Floor. Does no one remember the "My name is Earl" threads here when he was beasting for most of the season. His late game heroics, game winners.....dude was balling for real and deserves much credit for the Knicks season. He along with Felton, Prigs and Kidd were crucial to us getting that number 2 spot.

JR can't disgrace the uniform as the knicks don't have the story thats "Storied". The "mecca" was really being for the college game when good teams were in NY and national ranked teams from around the country would come here to play the NIT when it was THE tournament. Also they would play double headers!

NY is a professional sports town and the Knicks history does not earn a "mecca" title in my opinion! Don't get me wrong, the 70's team is why I am a life long fan. NYC's Street game is its biggest cred and important but Philly got one too! AAU has really taken the best kids off the playgrounds for better or worse.

Mecca of Basketball professionally is in Boston and LA. LA had UCLA's dynasty and then the Lakers! College its in North Carolina where Duke, State and of course Chapel Hill all within 20 minutes from each other and have NCAA championships. Its in Lexington, KY and in Louisville where they play in a new pro style arena downtown. Its in Bloomington Indiana, and Indy with Butler and the pacers. Places that have only basketball and they live and breath it. NYC has 2 NBA teams, 3 pro hockey teams, 2 MLB, 2 NFL, Soccer and some nice minor league teams. Its a great sports city and many rabid fans for all the sports, but not one defines the city.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:In light of the recent PED scandal Arod is actually living up to the uniform. Yankees have been a house of roids for some time. Guys like O'neal, Chili davis, Cleamons, Brocious, Giambi and Petitte have a history or resurrection of power and prolonging a career in the uniform.

JR can't disgrace the uniform as the knicks don't have the story thats "Storied". The "mecca" was really being for the college game when good teams were in NY and national ranked teams from around the country would come here to play the NIT when it was THE tournament. Also they would play double headers!

NY is a professional sports town and the Knicks history does not earn a "mecca" title in my opinion! Don't get me wrong, the 70's team is why I am a life long fan. NYC's Street game is its biggest cred and important but Philly got one too! AAU has really taken the best kids off the playgrounds for better or worse.

Mecca of Basketball professionally is in Boston and LA. LA had UCLA's dynasty and then the Lakers! College its in North Carolina where Duke, State and of course Chapel Hill all within 20 minutes from each other and have NCAA championships. Its in Lexington, KY and in Louisville where they play in a new pro style arena downtown. Its in Bloomington Indiana, and Indy with Butler and the pacers. Places that have only basketball and they live and breath it. NYC has 2 NBA teams, 3 pro hockey teams, 2 MLB, 2 NFL, Soccer and some nice minor league teams. Its a great sports city and many rabid fans for all the sports, but not one defines the city.

yeah, it's hard to be considered a Mecca of "Basketball" after sucking for so many years. MSG is still the MOST storied Arena with more history, "GREAT history" than some States can claim.

Its a great arena no doubt. I think about the oldest too! its about NY and the great events in NY and with a monopoly it had the events were there. Ali-Frazier, great concerts, fund raising event, etc. Its also damn pricy.

Most cities have new arenas that are less famous. Staples center has two franchise. Its not famous but they got a lot of events in that building! Not having a corp. sponsor has helped keep the image up. "Yankee Stadium", "MSG", "Fenway" and "Wrigley" all have a magic to them. It was very bold statement the Yankees did not sell the name. I hope they don't in the future.

CashMoney wrote:Regardless of the personal feelings towards JR on this board the fact of the matter is that the Knicks need JR Smith. He went into a funk at the worst possible time but you can't ignore his contributions to the team this year. JR at $5 million a year is good value IMHO. Resign him and hope he takes a step forward and if not at least we have a trade chip if and when the time comes. Letting him walk and not being able to get anything close in return would be a huge mistake when he's only 1 of a few players on the team who can score.