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5/25/2013  4:51 PM
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Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.


You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?


He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?


Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, is a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.

Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.


You know that 42.1% would be an above average post-season for Melo? Regardless, the criticism of Melo was not simply his low FG% but also was that scoring is his only skill (see bold above)

....and Melo never had a guy like Westbrook to be his no.2 like Durant has from the jump. The two seasons Melo had an aged Billups heading into the playoffs, he shot 45.8% and 45.2% from the field. And for all the talk about "scoring being his only skill", he averaged 6rpg and 3apg from the 3 spot in the playoffs which should rank him among the elites at his position. If you're expecting him to be LeBron then the problem has more to do with you than him.


Nope the problem is him, guys with all around games impact the game better.

It's not a fluke that PG gave melo the business on defense and LeBron has been limited as well.

Once again, it's about what Melo has done as a Knick in the playoffs.....Denver runs are irrlevant.

Moot point. Guys with better supporting casts always seemingly have better all around games. George never did anything to Melo that no other team didn't do with their ability to zero in on him. And yeah, I could see how information that shreds your argument is "irrlevant" to you.


it is irrelevant because you're clinging to Denver to boost his fg% and justify the poor shooting he's had a Knick as if bad teammmates is affecting his shot going through the hoop.

37% 41% 40% is his fg% as a Knick.

This was arguably his best teammates and he shot MORE this year than ever before....while being near the bottom in accuracy as a starter.

I can't defend that because he did make a comment to that affect about this being the most talented team he's been a part of? Given that he's had to go to battle with Voshon Lenard and Earl Boykins as starters though, that doesn't say much. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't and right now the numbers support that these guys can't get it done offensively in the playoffs and that's before they ever heard the name Melo.

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5/25/2013  4:56 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
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knickscity wrote:
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Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.


You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?


He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?


Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, is a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.

Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.


You know that 42.1% would be an above average post-season for Melo? Regardless, the criticism of Melo was not simply his low FG% but also was that scoring is his only skill (see bold above)

....and Melo never had a guy like Westbrook to be his no.2 like Durant has from the jump. The two seasons Melo had an aged Billups heading into the playoffs, he shot 45.8% and 45.2% from the field. And for all the talk about "scoring being his only skill", he averaged 6rpg and 3apg from the 3 spot in the playoffs which should rank him among the elites at his position. If you're expecting him to be LeBron then the problem has more to do with you than him.


I said "is", not "was." You're right that he used to be a good rebounder but now is below average when playing either forward position.

He averages 7.3rpg for his career in the playoffs over 39mpg. This season he averaged 6.6 over 40.1mpg. Does that 0.7rpg make that significant a difference?


When you move from SF to PF, you get about 2 more rebs a game just by accident because you're much closer to the basket. You're confounding age and position.
Melo was outrebounded by 1.4 boards per 48 min this year at SF and 1.3 at PF.

At the same time he's moving closer to the basket, our shots are becoming longer. We are a jump shooting team and when you apply basic principles of physics to the equation, it becomes clear that our rebounds will be long and out of his operating zone. It also doesn't help that he's the one taking a bulk of the jump shots, which makes it difficult to rebound.

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5/25/2013  4:57 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
3G4G wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.


You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?


He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?


Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, is a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.

Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.


You know that 42.1% would be an above average post-season for Melo? Regardless, the criticism of Melo was not simply his low FG% but also was that scoring is his only skill (see bold above)

....and Melo never had a guy like Westbrook to be his no.2 like Durant has from the jump. The two seasons Melo had an aged Billups heading into the playoffs, he shot 45.8% and 45.2% from the field. And for all the talk about "scoring being his only skill", he averaged 6rpg and 3apg from the 3 spot in the playoffs which should rank him among the elites at his position. If you're expecting him to be LeBron then the problem has more to do with you than him.


Nope the problem is him, guys with all around games impact the game better.

It's not a fluke that PG gave melo the business on defense and LeBron has been limited as well.

Once again, it's about what Melo has done as a Knick in the playoffs.....Denver runs are irrlevant.

Moot point. Guys with better supporting casts always seemingly have better all around games. George never did anything to Melo that no other team didn't do with their ability to zero in on him. And yeah, I could see how information that shreds your argument is "irrlevant" to you.


it is irrelevant because you're clinging to Denver to boost his fg% and justify the poor shooting he's had a Knick as if bad teammmates is affecting his shot going through the hoop.

37% 41% 40% is his fg% as a Knick.

This was arguably his best teammates and he shot MORE this year than ever before....while being near the bottom in accuracy as a starter.

I can't defend that because he did make a comment to that affect about this being the most talented team he's been a part of? Given that he's had to go to battle with Voshon Lenard and Earl Boykins as starters though, that doesn't say much. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't and right now the numbers support that these guys can't get it done offensively in the playoffs and that's before they ever heard the name Melo.

Neither can Melo although...


Tyson's been further

Amar'e's been further

Kidd's been further

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5/25/2013  4:59 PM
3G4G wrote:
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knickscity wrote:
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knickscity wrote:
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Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
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yellowboy90 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
3G4G wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.


You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?


He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?


Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, is a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.

Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.


You know that 42.1% would be an above average post-season for Melo? Regardless, the criticism of Melo was not simply his low FG% but also was that scoring is his only skill (see bold above)

....and Melo never had a guy like Westbrook to be his no.2 like Durant has from the jump. The two seasons Melo had an aged Billups heading into the playoffs, he shot 45.8% and 45.2% from the field. And for all the talk about "scoring being his only skill", he averaged 6rpg and 3apg from the 3 spot in the playoffs which should rank him among the elites at his position. If you're expecting him to be LeBron then the problem has more to do with you than him.


Nope the problem is him, guys with all around games impact the game better.

It's not a fluke that PG gave melo the business on defense and LeBron has been limited as well.

Once again, it's about what Melo has done as a Knick in the playoffs.....Denver runs are irrlevant.

Moot point. Guys with better supporting casts always seemingly have better all around games. George never did anything to Melo that no other team didn't do with their ability to zero in on him. And yeah, I could see how information that shreds your argument is "irrlevant" to you.


it is irrelevant because you're clinging to Denver to boost his fg% and justify the poor shooting he's had a Knick as if bad teammmates is affecting his shot going through the hoop.

37% 41% 40% is his fg% as a Knick.

This was arguably his best teammates and he shot MORE this year than ever before....while being near the bottom in accuracy as a starter.

I can't defend that because he did make a comment to that affect about this being the most talented team he's been a part of? Given that he's had to go to battle with Voshon Lenard and Earl Boykins as starters though, that doesn't say much. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't and right now the numbers support that these guys can't get it done offensively in the playoffs and that's before they ever heard the name Melo.

Neither can Melo although...


Tyson's been further

Amar'e's been further

Kidd's been further

So what should have been the Knicks plan instead of trading for Melo??

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5/25/2013  4:59 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
3G4G wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.


You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?


He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?


Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, is a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.

Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.


You know that 42.1% would be an above average post-season for Melo? Regardless, the criticism of Melo was not simply his low FG% but also was that scoring is his only skill (see bold above)

....and Melo never had a guy like Westbrook to be his no.2 like Durant has from the jump. The two seasons Melo had an aged Billups heading into the playoffs, he shot 45.8% and 45.2% from the field. And for all the talk about "scoring being his only skill", he averaged 6rpg and 3apg from the 3 spot in the playoffs which should rank him among the elites at his position. If you're expecting him to be LeBron then the problem has more to do with you than him.


Nope the problem is him, guys with all around games impact the game better.

It's not a fluke that PG gave melo the business on defense and LeBron has been limited as well.

Once again, it's about what Melo has done as a Knick in the playoffs.....Denver runs are irrlevant.

Moot point. Guys with better supporting casts always seemingly have better all around games. George never did anything to Melo that no other team didn't do with their ability to zero in on him. And yeah, I could see how information that shreds your argument is "irrlevant" to you.


it is irrelevant because you're clinging to Denver to boost his fg% and justify the poor shooting he's had a Knick as if bad teammmates is affecting his shot going through the hoop.

37% 41% 40% is his fg% as a Knick.

This was arguably his best teammates and he shot MORE this year than ever before....while being near the bottom in accuracy as a starter.

I can't defend that because he did make a comment to that affect about this being the most talented team he's been a part of? Given that he's had to go to battle with Voshon Lenard and Earl Boykins as starters though, that doesn't say much. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't and right now the numbers support that these guys can't get it done offensively in the playoffs and that's before they ever heard the name Melo.


yes, he did say that, which makes it harder to understand why he wouldn't trust them more, and shot twice as much as they did.

it's not ironic that almost every player complained about the offense.....it's too much melo.

He has never shot as many shots as this year ever in the playoffs.

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5/25/2013  5:01 PM
knickscity wrote:
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Go look at Raymond Felton's playoff FG% without Melo. Go look at JR Smith's playoff FG% the one season without Melo in Denver. Go look Jared Jefferies FG% without Melo in the playoffs. Go look at Bill Walkers FG% without Melo in the playoffs. Go look at Shawne Williams FG% without Melo in the playoffs. Go look at Jason Kidd's FG% without Melo in the playoffs. All of those guys were prominent rotation player at different time with Melo, that shot similarly poorly without Melo. What you're suggesting is ridiculous. If he passed the ball more, they would have shot just as bad, if not worse and the games probably would not have been as competitive.

I'll make it bigger, and you certainly cannot use that excuse THIS SEASON.

Melo shot 43.3% from the field against the Pacers.

Felton shot 40.9% from the field against the Pacers; Prigioni shot 43.8% from the field; Shumpert shot 37.9% from the field; and Chandler shot 53.6%. Evidently, anything involving numbers is not your strong suit. I'll be waiting to hear your retort about how we should've made Pablo Prigioni and Tyson Chandler go-to scorers though.


The ENTIRE PLAYOFF RUN, not just the matchup.

That's dumb. Your whole argument is about Melo being a lesser player and having poor playoff performances/outcomes. It makes zero sense then to expand the focus on the series we won, instead of the series we lost.

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knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
3G4G wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.


You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?


He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?


Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, is a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.

Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.


You know that 42.1% would be an above average post-season for Melo? Regardless, the criticism of Melo was not simply his low FG% but also was that scoring is his only skill (see bold above)

....and Melo never had a guy like Westbrook to be his no.2 like Durant has from the jump. The two seasons Melo had an aged Billups heading into the playoffs, he shot 45.8% and 45.2% from the field. And for all the talk about "scoring being his only skill", he averaged 6rpg and 3apg from the 3 spot in the playoffs which should rank him among the elites at his position. If you're expecting him to be LeBron then the problem has more to do with you than him.


Nope the problem is him, guys with all around games impact the game better.

It's not a fluke that PG gave melo the business on defense and LeBron has been limited as well.

Once again, it's about what Melo has done as a Knick in the playoffs.....Denver runs are irrlevant.

Moot point. Guys with better supporting casts always seemingly have better all around games. George never did anything to Melo that no other team didn't do with their ability to zero in on him. And yeah, I could see how information that shreds your argument is "irrlevant" to you.


it is irrelevant because you're clinging to Denver to boost his fg% and justify the poor shooting he's had a Knick as if bad teammmates is affecting his shot going through the hoop.

37% 41% 40% is his fg% as a Knick.

This was arguably his best teammates and he shot MORE this year than ever before....while being near the bottom in accuracy as a starter.

I can't defend that because he did make a comment to that affect about this being the most talented team he's been a part of? Given that he's had to go to battle with Voshon Lenard and Earl Boykins as starters though, that doesn't say much. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't and right now the numbers support that these guys can't get it done offensively in the playoffs and that's before they ever heard the name Melo.


yes, he did say that, which makes it harder to understand why he wouldn't trust them more, and shot twice as much as they did.

it's not ironic that almost every player complained about the offense.....it's too much melo.

He has never shot as many shots as this year ever in the playoffs.

Sorry to interject but I missed that..Who complained about the offense this year??

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holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
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knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
3G4G wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.


You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?


He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?


Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, is a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.

Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.


You know that 42.1% would be an above average post-season for Melo? Regardless, the criticism of Melo was not simply his low FG% but also was that scoring is his only skill (see bold above)

....and Melo never had a guy like Westbrook to be his no.2 like Durant has from the jump. The two seasons Melo had an aged Billups heading into the playoffs, he shot 45.8% and 45.2% from the field. And for all the talk about "scoring being his only skill", he averaged 6rpg and 3apg from the 3 spot in the playoffs which should rank him among the elites at his position. If you're expecting him to be LeBron then the problem has more to do with you than him.


Nope the problem is him, guys with all around games impact the game better.

It's not a fluke that PG gave melo the business on defense and LeBron has been limited as well.

Once again, it's about what Melo has done as a Knick in the playoffs.....Denver runs are irrlevant.

Moot point. Guys with better supporting casts always seemingly have better all around games. George never did anything to Melo that no other team didn't do with their ability to zero in on him. And yeah, I could see how information that shreds your argument is "irrlevant" to you.


it is irrelevant because you're clinging to Denver to boost his fg% and justify the poor shooting he's had a Knick as if bad teammmates is affecting his shot going through the hoop.

37% 41% 40% is his fg% as a Knick.

This was arguably his best teammates and he shot MORE this year than ever before....while being near the bottom in accuracy as a starter.

I can't defend that because he did make a comment to that affect about this being the most talented team he's been a part of? Given that he's had to go to battle with Voshon Lenard and Earl Boykins as starters though, that doesn't say much. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't and right now the numbers support that these guys can't get it done offensively in the playoffs and that's before they ever heard the name Melo.

Neither can Melo although...


Tyson's been further

Amar'e's been further

Kidd's been further

So what should have been the Knicks plan instead of trading for Melo??


The trade is done...Melo needs to involve his teammates more.

He didn't have Jeffries and Fields this year....what's ironic is he found those guys BETTER than he has this year with a better supporting cast.

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NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Go look at Raymond Felton's playoff FG% without Melo. Go look at JR Smith's playoff FG% the one season without Melo in Denver. Go look Jared Jefferies FG% without Melo in the playoffs. Go look at Bill Walkers FG% without Melo in the playoffs. Go look at Shawne Williams FG% without Melo in the playoffs. Go look at Jason Kidd's FG% without Melo in the playoffs. All of those guys were prominent rotation player at different time with Melo, that shot similarly poorly without Melo. What you're suggesting is ridiculous. If he passed the ball more, they would have shot just as bad, if not worse and the games probably would not have been as competitive.

I'll make it bigger, and you certainly cannot use that excuse THIS SEASON.

Melo shot 43.3% from the field against the Pacers.

Felton shot 40.9% from the field against the Pacers; Prigioni shot 43.8% from the field; Shumpert shot 37.9% from the field; and Chandler shot 53.6%. Evidently, anything involving numbers is not your strong suit. I'll be waiting to hear your retort about how we should've made Pablo Prigioni and Tyson Chandler go-to scorers though.


The ENTIRE PLAYOFF RUN, not just the matchup.

That's dumb. Your whole argument is about Melo being a lesser player and having poor playoff performances/outcomes. It makes zero sense then to expand the focus on the series we won, instead of the series we lost.


Huh? They do go hand in hand, each round is separate only by the score.
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5/25/2013  5:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/25/2013  5:14 PM
3G4G wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
3G4G wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.


You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?


He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?


Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, is a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.

Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.


You know that 42.1% would be an above average post-season for Melo? Regardless, the criticism of Melo was not simply his low FG% but also was that scoring is his only skill (see bold above)

....and Melo never had a guy like Westbrook to be his no.2 like Durant has from the jump. The two seasons Melo had an aged Billups heading into the playoffs, he shot 45.8% and 45.2% from the field. And for all the talk about "scoring being his only skill", he averaged 6rpg and 3apg from the 3 spot in the playoffs which should rank him among the elites at his position. If you're expecting him to be LeBron then the problem has more to do with you than him.


Nope the problem is him, guys with all around games impact the game better.

It's not a fluke that PG gave melo the business on defense and LeBron has been limited as well.

Once again, it's about what Melo has done as a Knick in the playoffs.....Denver runs are irrlevant.

Moot point. Guys with better supporting casts always seemingly have better all around games. George never did anything to Melo that no other team didn't do with their ability to zero in on him. And yeah, I could see how information that shreds your argument is "irrlevant" to you.


it is irrelevant because you're clinging to Denver to boost his fg% and justify the poor shooting he's had a Knick as if bad teammmates is affecting his shot going through the hoop.

37% 41% 40% is his fg% as a Knick.

This was arguably his best teammates and he shot MORE this year than ever before....while being near the bottom in accuracy as a starter.

I can't defend that because he did make a comment to that affect about this being the most talented team he's been a part of? Given that he's had to go to battle with Voshon Lenard and Earl Boykins as starters though, that doesn't say much. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't and right now the numbers support that these guys can't get it done offensively in the playoffs and that's before they ever heard the name Melo.

Neither can Melo although...


Tyson's been further

Amar'e's been further

Kidd's been further

Right because Tyson Chandler was the main reason why the Mavs went to the Finals, not Dirk; and the main reason why the Hornets were successful, not CP3.

And apparently, Amare did not have a two time MVP passing him the ball. Kidd deserves all the credit in the world for his teams Finals trips but you're kidding yourself (pun not intended) if you think that is the same Jason Kidd we have. Imagine what Melo would've been able to do with them as teammates (Nash, CP3 and prime Kidd).

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knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
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NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Go look at Raymond Felton's playoff FG% without Melo. Go look at JR Smith's playoff FG% the one season without Melo in Denver. Go look Jared Jefferies FG% without Melo in the playoffs. Go look at Bill Walkers FG% without Melo in the playoffs. Go look at Shawne Williams FG% without Melo in the playoffs. Go look at Jason Kidd's FG% without Melo in the playoffs. All of those guys were prominent rotation player at different time with Melo, that shot similarly poorly without Melo. What you're suggesting is ridiculous. If he passed the ball more, they would have shot just as bad, if not worse and the games probably would not have been as competitive.

I'll make it bigger, and you certainly cannot use that excuse THIS SEASON.

Melo shot 43.3% from the field against the Pacers.

Felton shot 40.9% from the field against the Pacers; Prigioni shot 43.8% from the field; Shumpert shot 37.9% from the field; and Chandler shot 53.6%. Evidently, anything involving numbers is not your strong suit. I'll be waiting to hear your retort about how we should've made Pablo Prigioni and Tyson Chandler go-to scorers though.


The ENTIRE PLAYOFF RUN, not just the matchup.

That's dumb. Your whole argument is about Melo being a lesser player and having poor playoff performances/outcomes. It makes zero sense then to expand the focus on the series we won, instead of the series we lost.


Huh? They do go hand in hand, each round is separate only by the score.

Reread my the posts. I've been restating the same thing for nearly a page now.

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To think we passed on Stephenson twice. Once for Landry Fields then again for Andy Routins.
misterearl wrote:Go Big Or Go Home

Sometimes, the game simply boils down to tenacity and resilience. Mental toughness under duress. The Pacers have a quality that our beloved Knicks displayed during an enjoyable 54-28 season. The difference was their ability to assert their will on the game. In rerospect, with the Miami series as a prism, the Pacers took our best shot and diverted us from what we do best, by imposing a dominant physical presence.

three things

1. Indiana has a curious mix of size and understated swag, if there is such a thing

2. Paul George is a calm superstar. He hit some pivotal shots. His dunk last night was majestic.

3. Tyson Chandler was absolutely, positively dominated by Hibbert. 2 points and 6 rebounds ain't gonna cut it.

4. George is going step for step with Lebron. The dap was a sign of ultimate respect. He would have abused Copeland with his feline quickness. Cope would have had to match him hoop for hoop, and play Gary Payton-like defense, which he does not. Somebody call an ambulance.

5. 6'5 Lance Stephenson is too crazy (and too big and fast) for Prigioni, Kidd or Felton to stay with. Crazy I tell you. He played the Knicks with the revenge mindset-fire of Ron Artest returning to The Garden. No one saw that coming. No one.

Crazy.

Bring back dee-fense
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holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
3G4G wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.


You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?


He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?


Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, is a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.

Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.


You know that 42.1% would be an above average post-season for Melo? Regardless, the criticism of Melo was not simply his low FG% but also was that scoring is his only skill (see bold above)

....and Melo never had a guy like Westbrook to be his no.2 like Durant has from the jump. The two seasons Melo had an aged Billups heading into the playoffs, he shot 45.8% and 45.2% from the field. And for all the talk about "scoring being his only skill", he averaged 6rpg and 3apg from the 3 spot in the playoffs which should rank him among the elites at his position. If you're expecting him to be LeBron then the problem has more to do with you than him.


Nope the problem is him, guys with all around games impact the game better.

It's not a fluke that PG gave melo the business on defense and LeBron has been limited as well.

Once again, it's about what Melo has done as a Knick in the playoffs.....Denver runs are irrlevant.

Moot point. Guys with better supporting casts always seemingly have better all around games. George never did anything to Melo that no other team didn't do with their ability to zero in on him. And yeah, I could see how information that shreds your argument is "irrlevant" to you.


it is irrelevant because you're clinging to Denver to boost his fg% and justify the poor shooting he's had a Knick as if bad teammmates is affecting his shot going through the hoop.

37% 41% 40% is his fg% as a Knick.

This was arguably his best teammates and he shot MORE this year than ever before....while being near the bottom in accuracy as a starter.

I can't defend that because he did make a comment to that affect about this being the most talented team he's been a part of? Given that he's had to go to battle with Voshon Lenard and Earl Boykins as starters though, that doesn't say much. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't and right now the numbers support that these guys can't get it done offensively in the playoffs and that's before they ever heard the name Melo.


yes, he did say that, which makes it harder to understand why he wouldn't trust them more, and shot twice as much as they did.

it's not ironic that almost every player complained about the offense.....it's too much melo.

He has never shot as many shots as this year ever in the playoffs.

Sorry to interject but I missed that..Who complained about the offense this year??


Tyson....Newsday: “I watched the tape myself and there’s open looks,” Chandler said after practice Sunday. “We have to be willing passers. You have to sacrifice yourself sometimes for the betterment of the team, for the betterment of your teammates. So when you drive in the paint, you draw, you kick it. We need to do a better job of allowing the game to dictate who takes the shots and not the individuals. “I’m not saying that anybody is doing it maliciously. I think it’s moreso a situation, etc...

Shump....."We need some more continuity as far as running something that everybody knows we're in it -- just something with more pace," he said. "We have a lot of dead possessions where we don't really have any cohesiveness. We're just sort of out there and it becomes watching whoever has the ball."

Pablo made mention in an interview, having issues finding it, but mention how the ball must be shared and how Melo likes to shoot.

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NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
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knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
3G4G wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.


You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?


He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?


Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, is a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.

Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.


You know that 42.1% would be an above average post-season for Melo? Regardless, the criticism of Melo was not simply his low FG% but also was that scoring is his only skill (see bold above)

....and Melo never had a guy like Westbrook to be his no.2 like Durant has from the jump. The two seasons Melo had an aged Billups heading into the playoffs, he shot 45.8% and 45.2% from the field. And for all the talk about "scoring being his only skill", he averaged 6rpg and 3apg from the 3 spot in the playoffs which should rank him among the elites at his position. If you're expecting him to be LeBron then the problem has more to do with you than him.


I said "is", not "was." You're right that he used to be a good rebounder but now is below average when playing either forward position.

He averages 7.3rpg for his career in the playoffs over 39mpg. This season he averaged 6.6 over 40.1mpg. Does that 0.7rpg make that significant a difference?


When you move from SF to PF, you get about 2 more rebs a game just by accident because you're much closer to the basket. You're confounding age and position.
Melo was outrebounded by 1.4 boards per 48 min this year at SF and 1.3 at PF.

At the same time he's moving closer to the basket, our shots are becoming longer. We are a jump shooting team and when you apply basic principles of physics to the equation, it becomes clear that our rebounds will be long and out of his operating zone. It also doesn't help that he's the one taking a bulk of the jump shots, which makes it difficult to rebound.


That has nothing to do with defensive rebounds, which is where the majority of rebounds are. Regardless, let's go back to the original argument: Melo is a good scorer who does not contribute in other areas of the game. Whether you look at his #s at SF or PF,and whether you look at offensive, defensive, or total rebounds, you won't find any rebounding data from last year that actually refutes that argument.
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5/25/2013  5:33 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
3G4G wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.


You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?


He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?


Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, is a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.

Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.


You know that 42.1% would be an above average post-season for Melo? Regardless, the criticism of Melo was not simply his low FG% but also was that scoring is his only skill (see bold above)

....and Melo never had a guy like Westbrook to be his no.2 like Durant has from the jump. The two seasons Melo had an aged Billups heading into the playoffs, he shot 45.8% and 45.2% from the field. And for all the talk about "scoring being his only skill", he averaged 6rpg and 3apg from the 3 spot in the playoffs which should rank him among the elites at his position. If you're expecting him to be LeBron then the problem has more to do with you than him.


I said "is", not "was." You're right that he used to be a good rebounder but now is below average when playing either forward position.

He averages 7.3rpg for his career in the playoffs over 39mpg. This season he averaged 6.6 over 40.1mpg. Does that 0.7rpg make that significant a difference?


When you move from SF to PF, you get about 2 more rebs a game just by accident because you're much closer to the basket. You're confounding age and position.
Melo was outrebounded by 1.4 boards per 48 min this year at SF and 1.3 at PF.

At the same time he's moving closer to the basket, our shots are becoming longer. We are a jump shooting team and when you apply basic principles of physics to the equation, it becomes clear that our rebounds will be long and out of his operating zone. It also doesn't help that he's the one taking a bulk of the jump shots, which makes it difficult to rebound.


That has nothing to do with defensive rebounds, which is where the majority of rebounds are. Regardless, let's go back to the original argument: Melo is a good scorer who does not contribute in other areas of the game. Whether you look at his #s at SF or PF,and whether you look at offensive, defensive, or total rebounds, you won't find any rebounding data from last year that actually refutes that argument.

I'll cede the point because that defensive rebounds point was pretty good. We're too poor a rebounding team for him not to have had ample opportunity to grab a few.

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5/25/2013  7:05 PM
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
3G4G wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.


You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?


He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?


Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, is a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.

Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.


You know that 42.1% would be an above average post-season for Melo? Regardless, the criticism of Melo was not simply his low FG% but also was that scoring is his only skill (see bold above)

....and Melo never had a guy like Westbrook to be his no.2 like Durant has from the jump. The two seasons Melo had an aged Billups heading into the playoffs, he shot 45.8% and 45.2% from the field. And for all the talk about "scoring being his only skill", he averaged 6rpg and 3apg from the 3 spot in the playoffs which should rank him among the elites at his position. If you're expecting him to be LeBron then the problem has more to do with you than him.


Nope the problem is him, guys with all around games impact the game better.

It's not a fluke that PG gave melo the business on defense and LeBron has been limited as well.

Once again, it's about what Melo has done as a Knick in the playoffs.....Denver runs are irrlevant.

Moot point. Guys with better supporting casts always seemingly have better all around games. George never did anything to Melo that no other team didn't do with their ability to zero in on him. And yeah, I could see how information that shreds your argument is "irrlevant" to you.


it is irrelevant because you're clinging to Denver to boost his fg% and justify the poor shooting he's had a Knick as if bad teammmates is affecting his shot going through the hoop.

37% 41% 40% is his fg% as a Knick.

This was arguably his best teammates and he shot MORE this year than ever before....while being near the bottom in accuracy as a starter.

I can't defend that because he did make a comment to that affect about this being the most talented team he's been a part of? Given that he's had to go to battle with Voshon Lenard and Earl Boykins as starters though, that doesn't say much. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't and right now the numbers support that these guys can't get it done offensively in the playoffs and that's before they ever heard the name Melo.


yes, he did say that, which makes it harder to understand why he wouldn't trust them more, and shot twice as much as they did.

it's not ironic that almost every player complained about the offense.....it's too much melo.

He has never shot as many shots as this year ever in the playoffs.

Sorry to interject but I missed that..Who complained about the offense this year??


Tyson....Newsday: “I watched the tape myself and there’s open looks,” Chandler said after practice Sunday. “We have to be willing passers. You have to sacrifice yourself sometimes for the betterment of the team, for the betterment of your teammates. So when you drive in the paint, you draw, you kick it. We need to do a better job of allowing the game to dictate who takes the shots and not the individuals. “I’m not saying that anybody is doing it maliciously. I think it’s moreso a situation, etc...

Shump....."We need some more continuity as far as running something that everybody knows we're in it -- just something with more pace," he said. "We have a lot of dead possessions where we don't really have any cohesiveness. We're just sort of out there and it becomes watching whoever has the ball."

Pablo made mention in an interview, having issues finding it, but mention how the ball must be shared and how Melo likes to shoot.

Ha..Tyson after Hibbert destroyed him...I saw in an earlier interview he was calling for Hibbert to be doubled...I lost a lot of respect for Tyson not holding himself accountable but trying to deflect the blame elsewhere...

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5/25/2013  7:45 PM
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VCoug wrote:That's impossible. Everyone here was telling me that Melo's a top 2 or top 3 player in the league. I was told that anyone who who doesn't think Melo is a top 5 player is a hater/idiot/Net fan. What happened?

Either stop with all this hyperbole or find the quotes.....I think most agreed that Melo is top 10.

Calm down Frances, it's slight hyperbole. Obviously I'm not the only one but there were a whole hell of a lot of posters who were screaming and shouting that anyone who thought Melo's not on the same level and Lebron and Durant was just a hater.


If I went and found all the Melo vs Durant threads and posted them here wouldn't that count as fans thinking he's a Top 2-3 player in this league. I'm pretty sure most still feel Durant is a Top 5 lock and a Top 3 talent overall correct?

So no Coug your hyperbole wasn't too off....Uptown does this everytime and pretty much everytime you can show him otherwise.

NI'll will repeat what I said, with the exception of a few posters, no-one was saying Melo was a better player than Lebron or Durant. Everyone is not the same as a few.....You agenda pushers are too much....

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5/25/2013  7:47 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
3G4G wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Uptown wrote:
VCoug wrote:That's impossible. Everyone here was telling me that Melo's a top 2 or top 3 player in the league. I was told that anyone who who doesn't think Melo is a top 5 player is a hater/idiot/Net fan. What happened?

Either stop with all this hyperbole or find the quotes.....I think most agreed that Melo is top 10.

Calm down Frances, it's slight hyperbole. Obviously I'm not the only one but there were a whole hell of a lot of posters who were screaming and shouting that anyone who thought Melo's not on the same level and Lebron and Durant was just a hater.


If I went and found all the Melo vs Durant threads and posted them here wouldn't that count as fans thinking he's a Top 2-3 player in this league. I'm pretty sure most still feel Durant is a Top 5 lock and a Top 3 talent overall correct?

So no Coug your hyperbole wasn't too off....Uptown does this everytime and pretty much everytime you can show him otherwise.

Context is everything. Those types of comments were made when guys were trying to trade Carmelo for a draft pick in this draft, one of the weakest ever; pointing to his poor shooting performances as a reason why you can't build with him and why we should begin to rebuild. Those that disagreed with that sentiment, brought up the comparison with Durant to show that like Melo, he needs a Russell Westbrook to be as effective as people consider him to be.

Good point.....Similar to the Melo/Kobe Bryant comparisons. No one ever said Melo was better, but Kobe was brought up when the somber crew pointed at Melo's FG% as a way to knock him....

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5/25/2013  7:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/25/2013  8:00 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
3G4G wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.

Good post...I see chased juice, trueblue 34g out of the thread with this one.......

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5/25/2013  8:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/25/2013  8:27 PM
Uptown wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
3G4G wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.

Good post...I see chased juice, trueblue 34g out of the thread with this one.......

NYKMentality made some one sided pts but we all know George is defining his legacy on both sides of the ball in the playoffs. You also have to blame the posters who started those Melo defines his legacy threads...they were premature and inappropriate in nature(series to series), especially since NYKMentality wants to cite more body of work from said players. Their Legacy would be in comparison to what they've done in their career and George is definitely defining himself in this season's playoffs compared to his previous yrs.

George is playing right now, playing extremely well... holding his own against the best in the biz, but Melo is working on scheduling a bout in August against Andre Ward....

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