holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:NardDogNation wrote:knickscity wrote:NardDogNation wrote:knickscity wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:knickscity wrote:NardDogNation wrote:knickscity wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:knickscity wrote:NardDogNation wrote:3G4G wrote:sidsanders wrote:Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.
his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.
Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....
You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.
George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).
George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.
In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.
Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.
Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.
All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.
You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.
PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.
SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?
He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.
And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.
Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?
Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.
now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.
You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, is a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.
Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.
You know that 42.1% would be an above average post-season for Melo? Regardless, the criticism of Melo was not simply his low FG% but also was that scoring is his only skill (see bold above)
....and Melo never had a guy like Westbrook to be his no.2 like Durant has from the jump. The two seasons Melo had an aged Billups heading into the playoffs, he shot 45.8% and 45.2% from the field. And for all the talk about "scoring being his only skill", he averaged 6rpg and 3apg from the 3 spot in the playoffs which should rank him among the elites at his position. If you're expecting him to be LeBron then the problem has more to do with you than him.
Nope the problem is him, guys with all around games impact the game better.It's not a fluke that PG gave melo the business on defense and LeBron has been limited as well.
Once again, it's about what Melo has done as a Knick in the playoffs.....Denver runs are irrlevant.
Moot point. Guys with better supporting casts always seemingly have better all around games. George never did anything to Melo that no other team didn't do with their ability to zero in on him. And yeah, I could see how information that shreds your argument is "irrlevant" to you.
it is irrelevant because you're clinging to Denver to boost his fg% and justify the poor shooting he's had a Knick as if bad teammmates is affecting his shot going through the hoop.37% 41% 40% is his fg% as a Knick.
This was arguably his best teammates and he shot MORE this year than ever before....while being near the bottom in accuracy as a starter.
I can't defend that because he did make a comment to that affect about this being the most talented team he's been a part of? Given that he's had to go to battle with Voshon Lenard and Earl Boykins as starters though, that doesn't say much. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't and right now the numbers support that these guys can't get it done offensively in the playoffs and that's before they ever heard the name Melo.
yes, he did say that, which makes it harder to understand why he wouldn't trust them more, and shot twice as much as they did.it's not ironic that almost every player complained about the offense.....it's too much melo.
He has never shot as many shots as this year ever in the playoffs.
Sorry to interject but I missed that..Who complained about the offense this year??
Tyson....Newsday: “I watched the tape myself and there’s open looks,” Chandler said after practice Sunday. “We have to be willing passers. You have to sacrifice yourself sometimes for the betterment of the team, for the betterment of your teammates. So when you drive in the paint, you draw, you kick it. We need to do a better job of allowing the game to dictate who takes the shots and not the individuals. “I’m not saying that anybody is doing it maliciously. I think it’s moreso a situation, etc...
Shump....."We need some more continuity as far as running something that everybody knows we're in it -- just something with more pace," he said. "We have a lot of dead possessions where we don't really have any cohesiveness. We're just sort of out there and it becomes watching whoever has the ball."
Pablo made mention in an interview, having issues finding it, but mention how the ball must be shared and how Melo likes to shoot.