tkf wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:this thread sums up why this place has become a waste of time

on the off chance Melo wastes his time here - I appreciate you playing with a torn shoulder. Maybe Melo should have shut it down if he was at 85 percent and everyone would love him here

Pretty Much, every single topic has to turn into a Melo debate. That's why I steer clear as much as possible. Same talking points over and over .. same individuals. It's becoming redundant. This guy can't win, when he plays with an injury its a problem, when he doesn't - he's soft.

Then people make assumptions like their doctors or professional athletes when both agree that it's a significant injury to play with and can cause pain every time you shoot the ball.

For what it's worth, I'm surprised he played every game, and where I'm from that deserves respect. Also I hope for a speedy recovery - that's all that really needed to be addressed in this thread. The other non sense could have been put in 1 of the other "same talking points, ignore other facts if it don't agree with yours" thread.

nah, you can't make every situation for carmelo win-win... if you are hurt and are hurting your team, sit down.... but you guys constantly look for outs.. the key is, carmelo performs poorly most playoffs.. go back and look at his numbers... that is fact.... It is no surprise that it happened again.. but no, of course the torn shoulder comes to surface... so if the knicks win, he looks like willis reed.... if they lose, he becomes the biggest martyr... again another win, win for carmelo...

do you think this type of posting and constant defending of a player makes for good conversation?

Again, who's defending him all the time, refer to my posts. I'm pretty much down the middle. I don't consistently make the same arguments in multiple threads or spew out the same talking points .. so along with being close-minded, constantly repeating the same points, and making everything personal does not make for good conversation, but push people away from debating certain topics and causing frustration. Oh but to answer your questions, so does constantly defending a player. My problem is that everything is turned into a Melo bashing session by the same individuals ... so call me a homer or whatever, but where I'm from that's frowned upon. You acknowledge the good and bad .... that one-sided mess is something I just can't associate myself with.

But to make this very clear, I think Melo is a very good basketball player. Do we build around him as the center piece, No! I think there's no such thing as building completely around 1 player, with the exception of a very few players. There need to be 2 players at the very least that compliment each other and you go from there. I think Melo could be very good if paired with a low post scoring threat or someone else that can create offense and handle the majority of the ball movement. His jumper is "wet" when he's playing in the flow of the offense, there is no denying that.

Lastly, I disagree that he was hurting the team. That means you simply think we would have been better off without him, and if that's the case, I have to question your basketball knowledge .. because for every one that studies the sport knows that it goes beyond looking at a few stats. Also, again you bringing up his shooting number when I've already listed other "TOP" players as having the basically the same percentage during the playoffs and that didn't win anything until they were with other dominate players.

Bottom line, from my knowledge and what Reggie Miller was saying, he was in pain every time he shot or passed the ball and for that he has my respect. I don't need to come in here and feel like I have to debate a damn torn shoulder. Not necessary.

Also the reason we seen him holding it a lot and grimacing was because when moving the shoulder, even simple movements as dribbling, was due to weakness in the shoulder and arm or a "grinding" feeling.

We have him locked up for 2 more years, so in all actuality, if you are a fan of the team ... you hope for a speedy recovery in time for training camp and that it doesn't linger or he need surgery, which would put him out for 4-5 months, which jeopardizes him getting into better shape.

IronWillGiroud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I hope this makes anti-Melo people appreciate him more. He did everything he could and was injured in a way most wouldn't play thru. Huge respect for him with a warrior effort in the playoffs.

The guy has a history of shooting poorly in the playoffs, career 40%..

Great for playing through pain, but now I really question why he avg 1 ast with a bum shoulder ..smh

this was his assist shoulder

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles.

a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.

lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.

Cingratulations this idiotic response has earned you a permanent ignore. In my over 10 years on this board I've used it once. Orange Blobman. you now make twice. Ur ****ing moron.

The only problem with ignoring him is he needs to be called out for the junk he posts.

how is his response idiotic..I'll ask again, if my shoulder is a problem, why not pass the ball, im shooting worst then any player in the playoffs taking that amount of shots..

He should be saying, let me try and make my teammates better, get them some easy buckets, these tough shots that im taking are not falling, let tell felton to slash the minute you see the double coming..

The guy is a great scorer, but a foolish player

yeah let's pass the rock to JR or Kidd .... oh wait he did but no assists because those 2 couldn't even score on some open layups

foolish player or foolish fans ? i'm not sure the significance will be in Melo disfavor

Melo and JR's supporting cast shot in the mid 40s for the post-season.

except for Shump and Felton, i'm sorry but i saw no one able to carry part of the scoring load for long stretches or for several games ...

i'm not saying Melo doesn't have to pass but some context would be welcome please ... he had no reliable second scorer in these playoffs because of Stat injuries, JR not able to play like he did to win the 6th man award (for several reasons that i won't discuss here) ... Felton was this guy for the Boston series, but was not the same for several games against the Pacers, Shump provided some for some games, and Copeland a little bit too

that put more pressure on Melo to score ... and shoot more

Except for Shump and Felton? That's already almost 25 shots a game!
Durant didn't have a "reliable 2nd scorer" either. Yet he averaged over six assists a game. As long as you have NBA-level teammates, that's just a BS excuse.

so you say that Felton should have take more shots in game 6 where he was 0-7 or Shump in some other games where he was at low percentages ...

i repeat myself, i think Melo can take less shots, but the Knicks in general under performed against Indy and this blurs the results and statistics

what was the shoot percentage of OKC versus Memphis (other players than Durant), in comparisons to the Knicks versus Pacers (without Melo) ... this is a genuine question, I don't know the answer
does this affect the assists of Durant versus Melo ? I mean it is easier to record assist when your teammates score ...

just wondering

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles.

a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.

lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.

Cingratulations this idiotic response has earned you a permanent ignore. In my over 10 years on this board I've used it once. Orange Blobman. you now make twice. Ur ****ing moron.

The only problem with ignoring him is he needs to be called out for the junk he posts.

how is his response idiotic..I'll ask again, if my shoulder is a problem, why not pass the ball, im shooting worst then any player in the playoffs taking that amount of shots..

He should be saying, let me try and make my teammates better, get them some easy buckets, these tough shots that im taking are not falling, let tell felton to slash the minute you see the double coming..

The guy is a great scorer, but a foolish player

yeah let's pass the rock to JR or Kidd .... oh wait he did but no assists because those 2 couldn't even score on some open layups

foolish player or foolish fans ? i'm not sure the significance will be in Melo disfavor

Melo and JR's supporting cast shot in the mid 40s for the post-season.

except for Shump and Felton, i'm sorry but i saw no one able to carry part of the scoring load for long stretches or for several games ...

i'm not saying Melo doesn't have to pass but some context would be welcome please ... he had no reliable second scorer in these playoffs because of Stat injuries, JR not able to play like he did to win the 6th man award (for several reasons that i won't discuss here) ... Felton was this guy for the Boston series, but was not the same for several games against the Pacers, Shump provided some for some games, and Copeland a little bit too

that put more pressure on Melo to score ... and shoot more

Except for Shump and Felton? That's already almost 25 shots a game!
Durant didn't have a "reliable 2nd scorer" either. Yet he averaged over six assists a game. As long as you have NBA-level teammates, that's just a BS excuse.

so you say that Felton should have take more shots in game 6 where he was 0-7 or Shump in some other games where he was at low percentages ...

i repeat myself, i think Melo can take less shots, but the Knicks in general under performed against Indy and this blurs the results and statistics

what was the shoot percentage of OKC versus Memphis (other players than Durant), in comparisons to the Knicks versus Pacers (without Melo) ... this is a genuine question, I don't know the answer
does this affect the assists of Durant versus Melo ? I mean it is easier to record assist when your teammates score ...

just wondering

Last 2 games of the Memphis series Durant couldnt hit a shot

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo looked in pain.

The team crumbled last year in the playoffs, literally.

Im sure most of us thought the depth we have would have sustained us. It did not.

Melo was still our best option and as long as he was able, willing and effective we'd go to him.

There was little choices to adjust mid series. Amare was not nearly "back" enough to warrant minutes and touches and JR is not where you want to go unless he is hot.

Melo is a big strong kid who gave it his best under the conditions.

Was it enough? No. Fault? Blame? Lets be fair, as a TEAM were did not match up well with Indy and we were not healthy enough to sustain.

You can be the best option and take closer to 16 shots and get 4 to 5 assists though. He's the best option to create offense - for both himself and others. (Or at least it should have been for both.)

bonn he is not capable of doing either well enough to form a contender around. and he is turning 29 in a few days.

dolan really really blew it

You are worried about Melo's age and u were an advocate of building around Amare???

no i am laughing at you for thinking that by dolan and isaiah wanting to bring melo here at all costs that we would be a great team instead of what i and others saw from the get-go as an underachieving mishmash.

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

An MRI reveals that Carmelo Anthony is suffering from a small left shoulder tear, Daily News has learned. Knicks hopeful no surgery needed

Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

The plan, according to a Knicks source, is to give Carmelo's shoulder 3 to 4 weeks to heal on its own. If not, then surgery is probable

http://theknicksblog.com/knicks/isola-mri-shows-melo-has-slight-tear-in-left-shoulder/

Yet he kept shooting at an alarming rate, even higher than regular season. Should have been going for more.... "HOCKEY ASSISTS"

Oh well the excuses may continue to eternity.

3G c'mon man. The past couple of days you've been exclusively talking about his shooting percentage (__ PACENT!!). Before you jump to the next thing you can use to put him down, at least acknowledge that maybe his horrible shooting percentage can be attributed to his injury. For the record, I agree that he should have found other ways to contribute.

Yet fans want to bash Amar'e for being injured even when he came back and played, although at times not his best? Yet fans slammed Lin for not coming back from a tear in his knee? I'm questioning how injured he was. If you're that injured then do less of what causes injury aggravation....such as other things.

Fans are looking for an out, I'm looking for what will change outcome...in particular the future. Let's say he's injured in next year's playoffs and it's his knee does he adjust?

Also Melo the past 2yrs has been very injury prone to the extent it affects results....I guess that comes with getting older and the body breaking down. But he said at season's begin this is the best shape he's ever been in.

At some point TeamBall the excuses have to stop but when it comes to Carmelo he's had 1 every yr. Can you name me another athlete where this is the case?

And im agreeing with you that he needs to do other things. I got on Felton for shooting so much when his hand was messed up so its only fair that I treat Melo the same way. However, this isnt really an excuse so much as it is recognition that he played with a serious injury. One that could have had an impact on his shooting.

It depends on who you ask. Im sure theres players on other teams that get all the excuses from fans while others get bashed. Hell, 2 seasons ago, Gallinari used to get praised for doing a lot of the things Wilson would get killed for. It just depends on who you ask. I actually think this the first year Melo hasnt gotten destroyed by the general public. Unless you're only talking about here when you say he always has an excuse.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo looked in pain.

The team crumbled last year in the playoffs, literally.

Im sure most of us thought the depth we have would have sustained us. It did not.

Melo was still our best option and as long as he was able, willing and effective we'd go to him.

There was little choices to adjust mid series. Amare was not nearly "back" enough to warrant minutes and touches and JR is not where you want to go unless he is hot.

Melo is a big strong kid who gave it his best under the conditions.

Was it enough? No. Fault? Blame? Lets be fair, as a TEAM were did not match up well with Indy and we were not healthy enough to sustain.

You can be the best option and take closer to 16 shots and get 4 to 5 assists though. He's the best option to create offense - for both himself and others. (Or at least it should have been for both.)

bonn he is not capable of doing either well enough to form a contender around. and he is turning 29 in a few days.

dolan really really blew it

You are worried about Melo's age and u were an advocate of building around Amare???

no i am laughing at you for thinking that by dolan and isaiah wanting to bring melo here at all costs that we would be a great team instead of what i and others saw from the get-go as an underachieving mishmash.

So you felt that building around Amare was the better option???

yes, if by that you mean wait for the right player and that means a complete player and if stat is the middle of it that means a true point guard not some scrubby tweener who needs a kidd or a prigioni to be out there with him. lin fell into our laps but was sent packing because dolan's skin is too thin and his pockets are not deep when he gets shown up by a superior basketball guy. lin is a better orchestrator than felton, and would have allowed shumpert to be in the backcourt.

i am not saying things would have broken our way just like this, but a team of shumpert, lin, gallinari, mozgov, fields, and stoudemire would have been promising, entertaining-- and young.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo looked in pain.

The team crumbled last year in the playoffs, literally.

Im sure most of us thought the depth we have would have sustained us. It did not.

Melo was still our best option and as long as he was able, willing and effective we'd go to him.

There was little choices to adjust mid series. Amare was not nearly "back" enough to warrant minutes and touches and JR is not where you want to go unless he is hot.

Melo is a big strong kid who gave it his best under the conditions.

Was it enough? No. Fault? Blame? Lets be fair, as a TEAM were did not match up well with Indy and we were not healthy enough to sustain.

You can be the best option and take closer to 16 shots and get 4 to 5 assists though. He's the best option to create offense - for both himself and others. (Or at least it should have been for both.)

bonn he is not capable of doing either well enough to form a contender around. and he is turning 29 in a few days.

dolan really really blew it

You are worried about Melo's age and u were an advocate of building around Amare???

no i am laughing at you for thinking that by dolan and isaiah wanting to bring melo here at all costs that we would be a great team instead of what i and others saw from the get-go as an underachieving mishmash.

So you felt that building around Amare was the better option???

yes, if by that you mean wait for the right player and that means a complete player and if stat is the middle of it that means a true point guard not some scrubby tweener who needs a kidd or a prigioni to be out there with him. lin fell into our laps but was sent packing because dolan's skin is too thin and his pockets are not deep when he gets shown up by a superior basketball guy. lin is a better orchestrator than felton, and would have allowed shumpert to be in the backcourt.

i am not saying things would have broken our way just like this, but a team of shumpert, lin, gallinari, mozgov, fields, and stoudemire would have been promising, entertaining-- and young.

I have never seen a collective group of people so wrapped up in one mediocre player as many here are wrapped up in Gallo..I'm just amazed that two years removed we are still debating the virtues of trading Gallo...Dude is averaging a career high of 16 pts per game and really doesn't stand out at anything else...