playa2 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

playa2 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Love that Boeheim called out Tyson. The guy is the reason the Knicks are home right now and he is talking junk. Tyson needs to Take some ownership for his horrific play that cost the knicks the series, gain some muscle weight, learn a post move and learn to catch. The team would be a lot better if the 15 mil invested in him was spent somewhere else or he at least played a little better.

Yes you are right Tyson did have a nightmare of a series guarding Hibbert still being hurt.

But everything he said was based upon a team trying to win a championship.

Every team that's left in the playoffs play the way Tyson describes.

The knicks played that way early in the season too.

Tyson is the only one who won something to voice his opinion, I would love to hear what Kidd thinks or Sheed. They really know what it takes to win a Championship.

Melo knows how to win a Championship in college , but Karl couldn't reach him as a rookie to help him learn that everybody is good at the professional level.

Makes you wonder why a team oriented squad like the Piston didn't take him in the draft.

Tyson needs to make his statements to his teammates not to the media. Also, he was the second highest paid player with any expectations placed on him and he failed miserably and has no business calling others out in the media without first taking some responsibility for his own poor play. I didn't know getting the flu meant that you lost your ability to catch/hold onto the ball when you were in the paint but apparently in his case it did. In regards to the Pistons drafting Darko, it was the worst move in their history as a franchise. Dumars messed up really badly.

So are you saying if Kidd or Sheed made the comment it would be different. How about Shumpert a young up and coming ?

Is it known that Tyson neck Injury healed while by the playoffs? I know he lost some weight so bigger players can wear on you and push you around easily. Hibbert I think benced 450lbs X amount of times.

As far as the Pistons I don't know if Melo fit into their plans of team oriented play, even if Darko was a bust.

Garnett, west, and even psycho T pushed him around

playa2 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

playa2 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Love that Boeheim called out Tyson. The guy is the reason the Knicks are home right now and he is talking junk. Tyson needs to Take some ownership for his horrific play that cost the knicks the series, gain some muscle weight, learn a post move and learn to catch. The team would be a lot better if the 15 mil invested in him was spent somewhere else or he at least played a little better.

Yes you are right Tyson did have a nightmare of a series guarding Hibbert still being hurt.

But everything he said was based upon a team trying to win a championship.

Every team that's left in the playoffs play the way Tyson describes.

The knicks played that way early in the season too.

Tyson is the only one who won something to voice his opinion, I would love to hear what Kidd thinks or Sheed. They really know what it takes to win a Championship.

Melo knows how to win a Championship in college , but Karl couldn't reach him as a rookie to help him learn that everybody is good at the professional level.

Makes you wonder why a team oriented squad like the Piston didn't take him in the draft.

Tyson needs to make his statements to his teammates not to the media. Also, he was the second highest paid player with any expectations placed on him and he failed miserably and has no business calling others out in the media without first taking some responsibility for his own poor play. I didn't know getting the flu meant that you lost your ability to catch/hold onto the ball when you were in the paint but apparently in his case it did. In regards to the Pistons drafting Darko, it was the worst move in their history as a franchise. Dumars messed up really badly.

So are you saying if Kidd or Sheed made the comment it would be different. How about Shumpert a young up and coming ?

Is it known that Tyson neck Injury healed while by the playoffs? I know he lost some weight so bigger players can wear on you and push you around easily. Hibbert I think benced 450lbs X amount of times.

As far as the Pistons I don't know if Melo fit into their plans of team oriented play, even if Darko was a bust.

I for one would look to move Chandler, there are a lot of centers out there that can give pedestrian numbers like Chandler, might have to sacrifice a little bit on the defensive side but that's ok if Tyson can land a solid PG and a Replacement for him.

Jmpasq wrote:I used to dog Melo but how anyone could of watched this Pacers series and blame Melo is getting drunk in the club with JR SMith

Jim is absolutely right Melo had basically no help when your 3rd best player in the series is Copeland you have serious problems .I thought Prigs actually played well though

same here man,

melo for all his faults is still 5 times the baller anyone else on this team is,

these guys are basically clinging to melo without really trying to get better and then they disrespect the team by doing cocaine in the club with hookers? that's awesome, man, thanks jr,

and thanks, tyson: you are a little girl, don't want to see you in a knicks uni again

1. Everyone has to stay healthy.

2. Everyone coming back to the team can not have a normal offseason where they come back as good as they were last season.

there is 0 chance of either happening, i can tell you with 100% certainty that this team will suck next year, even more than this year

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I used to dog Melo but how anyone could of watched this Pacers series and blame Melo is getting drunk in the club with JR SMith

Jim is absolutely right Melo had basically no help when your 3rd best player in the series is Copeland you have serious problems .I thought Prigs actually played well though

so old man. He never has help. 10 years and no help in the playoffs. This why he shoots 40% right? Because nobody helps him? He doesnt know how to play. The harder he "tries" the more his teammates stand and watch him pound the ball while he has 10-34 shooting performances.

The guy is good player, he's our best player and he's not good enough to build a team around. He's a #2 scorer. Knicks have big problems.

U think Melo might shoot slightly better if he had Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh next to him? Do u think Melo would Shoot better if Shaq in his prime was on the team. What about if he played with Russel Westbrook? U guys see Durant those last 2 games without any help thats what Melo deals with on a nightly basis

you nailed. Melo is garbage without his Olympic teammates. Thanks. After ten year of getting used in the playoffs and shooting like Jamal Crawford I think we can all see your truth. Melo's teams need stars on them, because if he doesnt have star PG to get him the ball, a star SG to pass too and a start post player to create space we can pretty much count on Melo shooting 40% in the playoffs while we lose game after game he puts up 10-34.

Yes... Melo had no help in game six and he played well. His shooting in the other 3 losses: 6-16, 9-24 and 10-28 had NOTHING to do with why game 6 was an elimination game right?

I get the pattern now:

Melo blows in the playoffs and shoots a % in the 30s. Melo has a solid elimination game. Everyone says "see???? Melo has no help."

Got it.

What about LeBron?? He didn't win it all in Cleveland and that's why he left because he knew that he could never win a ring in Cleveland. I takes tough skin to take it in New York. If LeBron was here you would be saying he choked again. It's up to the knicks to figure out how to build a team around Melo. I think they will.

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Clean wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo performed just as poorly as the rest of his supporting cast. Paul George locked him down and had him taking exactly the kind of shots Indy wanted Melo taking. Forced midrange jumpers and contested drives where he gets pushed right into Indy's shot blockers.
Melo shoots 9-23, 6-16 and 10-28 all losses vs. Pacers.
Melo shoots 8-24 and 10-35 in losses to Boston.

Knicks lost 6 playoff games. 5 of them its 10000% justifiable to dump them right on Melo' shoulders. If your built around a "great MVP caliber scorer" and this is what he gives you come playoff time your gonna fail, as his team do time and time and time and time again in the playoffs.

When we get a REAL scorer. Like a guy who gives you 50% or more in the post and Melo is the #2 guy we can compete for a title. But this has been the same for the 10 years he's been in the league.

Folks can pretend this isnt a problem all they want. The reall killer is the #2 guy in this offense JR is even worse.

I can agree with the fact that Melo needs a post player to work off of. We need an inside presence that can balance out the offense. Too much perimeter play, too much reliance on the 3 ball.

We need an inside out game, and unfortunately that inside was supposed to be Amare.

When amare is healthy he still takes 1 shot to melo's 5. As long as melo controls most of the ball handling duties were screwed. We need a pg like a young nash, magic, stockton..smart pg's that will run a offense and not give the ball to melo annd clear out.

by the time melo makes his move or tries to pass, there isn't much time on the shot clock and his teammates are force to take a wild shot, and when they miss, thats when " the melo has no help" comments coming pouring in..

Why don't ppl say it correctly, Melo has nobody to bail him out

This is what I wanted melo to understand with our last coach. Instead of wanting the ball and have others clear out why not get the ball off of penetration or something. This stop the ability of the defense to double team him and forces him to act quickly with the ball. When melo has to think about what to do his chances of success goes down by the second. The weird thing is he gets it when he plays with team USA which is why he always dominates with them. Maybe it is a situation where he does not respect him team enough to relinquish control.

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Would u?look who he is playing with he probably figures a bad shot early in the shot clock from him is still better then Jason Kidd standing on the 3 point line deciding whether he should shoot the ball for 8 seconds before passing it back with 4 seconds left

Was Melo great? No, but come on Tyson Chandler got destroyed by Roy Hibbert the whole series. Chandler gets 14 million a year shouldnt some of the blame go to him. What about that bum Amare who makes 20 million. Aren't those guys supposed to be out there carrying the team with Melo or am I wrong. Everyone can point the finger and blame Melo meanwhile Amare and Chandler give us 4 and 6 in an elimination game but Melo who goes for almost 40 is the 1 all the blame is hoisted on

Its Melo's team. He's the MVP candidate. He's the scoring champ. He's the superstar leader

MElo has 10 years in the playoffs now with ZERO change or improvement. Same old Melo. Jack shots and when they dont fall jack some more. Dude's shooting 40% in 3 years with the Knicks in the playoffs and watching him for 3 years with the Knicks you can see why. He gets exposed every year.

You know either you chill out or just find another team to root for. If I hated someone as much as you do Melo I would Probably find another team. Look There are over 30 teams in the league and only one team can win it all. Or just blame Melo and get it off your chest. But guess what? Next season guess who will be the star of the Knicks? Melo weather you like it or not so get accustom to it.

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Clean wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo performed just as poorly as the rest of his supporting cast. Paul George locked him down and had him taking exactly the kind of shots Indy wanted Melo taking. Forced midrange jumpers and contested drives where he gets pushed right into Indy's shot blockers.
Melo shoots 9-23, 6-16 and 10-28 all losses vs. Pacers.
Melo shoots 8-24 and 10-35 in losses to Boston.

Knicks lost 6 playoff games. 5 of them its 10000% justifiable to dump them right on Melo' shoulders. If your built around a "great MVP caliber scorer" and this is what he gives you come playoff time your gonna fail, as his team do time and time and time and time again in the playoffs.

When we get a REAL scorer. Like a guy who gives you 50% or more in the post and Melo is the #2 guy we can compete for a title. But this has been the same for the 10 years he's been in the league.

Folks can pretend this isnt a problem all they want. The reall killer is the #2 guy in this offense JR is even worse.

I can agree with the fact that Melo needs a post player to work off of. We need an inside presence that can balance out the offense. Too much perimeter play, too much reliance on the 3 ball.

We need an inside out game, and unfortunately that inside was supposed to be Amare.

When amare is healthy he still takes 1 shot to melo's 5. As long as melo controls most of the ball handling duties were screwed. We need a pg like a young nash, magic, stockton..smart pg's that will run a offense and not give the ball to melo annd clear out.

by the time melo makes his move or tries to pass, there isn't much time on the shot clock and his teammates are force to take a wild shot, and when they miss, thats when " the melo has no help" comments coming pouring in..

Why don't ppl say it correctly, Melo has nobody to bail him out

This is what I wanted melo to understand with our last coach. Instead of wanting the ball and have others clear out why not get the ball off of penetration or something. This stop the ability of the defense to double team him and forces him to act quickly with the ball. When melo has to think about what to do his chances of success goes down by the second. The weird thing is he gets it when he plays with team USA which is why he always dominates with them. Maybe it is a situation where he does not respect him team enough to relinquish control.

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Would u?look who he is playing with he probably figures a bad shot early in the shot clock from him is still better then Jason Kidd standing on the 3 point line deciding whether he should shoot the ball for 8 seconds before passing it back with 4 seconds left

Was Melo great? No, but come on Tyson Chandler got destroyed by Roy Hibbert the whole series. Chandler gets 14 million a year shouldnt some of the blame go to him. What about that bum Amare who makes 20 million. Aren't those guys supposed to be out there carrying the team with Melo or am I wrong. Everyone can point the finger and blame Melo meanwhile Amare and Chandler give us 4 and 6 in an elimination game but Melo who goes for almost 40 is the 1 all the blame is hoisted on

Its Melo's team. He's the MVP candidate. He's the scoring champ. He's the superstar leader

MElo has 10 years in the playoffs now with ZERO change or improvement. Same old Melo. Jack shots and when they dont fall jack some more. Dude's shooting 40% in 3 years with the Knicks in the playoffs and watching him for 3 years with the Knicks you can see why. He gets exposed every year.

Melo gets the brunt of the blame. Deservedly so.

If Melo's Robin though, who's Batman? We had a 2nd and 3rd option, but no post option to be seen or heard from...

honestly its hard to see us as not being phucked. Where is the other guy we are building around coming from? Amare is done. Tyson isnt getting better and gives you zero on offense, role player. Shump has great potential as a 3rd scorer, lock down defender... core player but still a role player. You have seen the best of Felton. He had a good playoffs over all but he's another role player scrapheap guy.

So we are Denver. Not good enough to advance in the playoffs, but good enough to get there every year. NBA purgatory.

Seriously.. Melo is a good player but tell me something about this team's future to be excited about.

Papabear Say

Better than the last 13years.

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

tkf wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I used to dog Melo but how anyone could of watched this Pacers series and blame Melo is getting drunk in the club with JR SMith

Jim is absolutely right Melo had basically no help when your 3rd best player in the series is Copeland you have serious problems .I thought Prigs actually played well though

so old man. He never has help. 10 years and no help in the playoffs. This why he shoots 40% right? Because nobody helps him? He doesnt know how to play. The harder he "tries" the more his teammates stand and watch him pound the ball while he has 10-34 shooting performances.

The guy is good player, he's our best player and he's not good enough to build a team around. He's a #2 scorer. Knicks have big problems.

U think Melo might shoot slightly better if he had Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh next to him? Do u think Melo would Shoot better if Shaq in his prime was on the team. What about if he played with Russel Westbrook? U guys see Durant those last 2 games without any help thats what Melo deals with on a nightly basis

do you think carmelo is a better scorer than Kobe? a better shooter? I don't think so.. yet kobe had shaq in his prime and kobe is still pretty much a 45% career shooter.... like carmelo he takes a lot of bad shots.. the difference is kobe is just a much better all around player.... but having shaq didn't make him take better shots or increase his %..

the excuses are getting old for carmelo.

Has Melo ever come close to having a roster like Kobe or Lebron has? Simple question

again as I said, lebron had a cavs roster with all role players.. carmelo had billups, a young kenyon, camby, he also had iverson.. so the answer is yes....

but I ask, what does that have to do with how he performs? are you saying he needs good players to play well, then if that is the case why did we trade so much to get carmelo? the excuses are old... carmelo doesn't have the talent of a lebron or kobe.. lets start there, forget about who he plays with... you keep bringing up kobe and lebron.. so are you telling me, that carmelo is better or as good as both of those guys.. if so, I can clearly see where your problem is..

this is a good example of forum slice and dice. i applaud this post!

thanks..

I really don't understand why the constant mention of lebron and kobe, and wade.. those guys have proven consistently that they can and will play at a high level regardless of the talent around them.. now we know you have to have good players around you to win.. no one denies that, but when you have a history of consistently under performing in the playoffs, you, the media, your fans and your college coach need to shut up about not having help... YOU ARE NO HELP!!!

yes Lebron,Kobe and Wade are great players. and the last place they would want to play in is New York so at least Melo Had the balls to come here. if Melo didn't come here we would not have made the playoffs or out in the first round.

Now I'm going to bed. Good night!