Knixkik wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

it's never mello's fault. he's always the victim.

wake up

Are you kidding. Have you watched the last two games? Last year and the year before the team fell apart because of injuries. This year suddenly no one else can do anything. Tyson, Kidd, and JR have been much more than horrible. Even Woodson has baffled me with his benching of Prigs. When Prigs plays everything is better and easier. Not sure how you can pin this on Melo but I know you hate him.

I just wanna know how last year's Miami series and the Boston series the year before can possibly be his fault. Dont give me advanced numbers and all that stuff. We all saw the team he went into those series with. How could he have done any more than what he did?

He did all we could. He keeps getting in this situation with no help. Of course his percents will drop with no help.

yeah karma is a smothering, suffocating, bitch for some people.

you guys need to face facts: essentially melo is surrounded by the players he deserves. maybe in the next life he will dutifully play out his contract, realize he's not the legend he thinks he is, and finds a team with some young talent that is being built the right way and is being coached by a coach who will bench anyone who does not play the right way-- including him!

oh and working on his footwork, ball and head fakes, and step-back jumpers too... that will help.

Uptown wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

franco12 wrote:maybe if we didn't have to gut the team when he forced the trade here, there would be assets for management to work with.

and does he have any assists?

You know what ... how about Amare is holding this team up. Never healthy enough to be on the floor, can't trade him, can't use insurance to pay him .... just a complete waste of money that could be used to get 2-3 good players. Tired of acting like this is not an issue.

Really can't even use amare as an excuse.

The team has had incredible success without him, and there is enough talent on this team to win games agasinst a team that rarely scores above 85.

This team has overchieved all year....Player for player, they were not the 2nd best team in the east, yet the played really good defense, didn't turn the ball over and hit a ton of three's during the season to help them exceed expectations. No one on this board had the Knicks finishing 2nd in the east. In the playoffs, our flaws have been exposed against a team we dont match up with very well....

What your seeing is simple. Pacers are better and Melo and JR have shot us right out of the playoffs. Its really that simple.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

this is where you lose me with this argument..

have you ever thought it may be carmelo failing his supporting cast?

Exactly. How can a supporting cast play well when you have a guy taking 25 shots and averaging 1 assist a game? Has a supporting cast *ever* looked good under that kind of scenario? It's not like they can't hit a shot. His teammates have been shooting in the mid 40s from the field this post-season.

You do realize that the last 3 games Melo has been making the right pass ... And you also realize that in order to get an assist that Player B has to make a shot from Player A.

But with that said, I expect for him to do more on the defensive end and rebounding along with motivating the team.

For the post-season as a whole, Melo's and JR's supporting cast is hitting shots just fine. They're shooting in the mid 40s and have 47 points on 40 shots a game.
The only time in his career Melo actually moved the ball well was when he played for MDA but he couldn't make baskets and played ****ty defense then.

Who's shooting in the mid 40s???

Only player that can hit a jump shot that shooting mid 40s is felton.

Jr Smith - 33%
Shumpert - 41%
Pablo - 40%
Copeland 31%
Jason Kidd .125

Novak is shooting good, but never sees the floor.

I'm not saying Melo don't deserve blame, but to blind to everything else and everyone else is quite ridiculous. Again the "Team" failed each other. But i guess you can spin it however you please.

tkf wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Stevo718 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

this is where you lose me with this argument..

have you ever thought it may be carmelo failing his supporting cast?

Exactly. How can a supporting cast play well when you have a guy taking 25 shots and averaging 1 assist a game? Has a supporting cast *ever* looked good under that kind of scenario? It's not like they can't hit a shot. His teammates have been shooting in the mid 40s from the field this post-season.

Thank you!!! You hit the nail on the head!! 1 assist a game in the playoffs and your the superstar? That's inexcusable, you can away with that during the regular season but not in the playoffs. Woodwind only fault is not telling Melo not to pass the ball more often. Supporting cast? Please... If we had Wade and LeBron and lost you'd still say our supporting cast sucks. Our supporting cast is great, Melo just doesn't know how to play team ball. Even Jordan had off games during the playoffs and what did he do? He got his teammates going. It's really simple, in a nutshell Melo doesn't make his teammates better.

Melo is not the problem....nor is he the answer.

What is Melo? Our only true valuable asset. And if you are having problems building around your superstar, who's currently in his prime....You find another star you can build around, and trade Melo to that team, for a Denver type return of solid role players... Or potentially a young stud...

you will never get a denver deal out of another team unless dolan buys that team.. and no team will trade a young stud for carmelo.. why would they?

but let me say this, he is part of the problem.. he sucks up a huge amount of payroll, and he forces you to either build to suit him or he will whine.... that is what I consider a problem....

I disagree with one of your points TK. I think teams will look at the Knicks and say that our supporting case around Melo and our usage was the problem. I think he can still be moved without difficulty but, the problem is I don't see us getting anything better and and Andre Igodala or a Josh Smith. I don't see us getting a true star value in any trade unless other asses were thrown in.

dk7th wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

it's never mello's fault. he's always the victim.

wake up

Are you kidding. Have you watched the last two games? Last year and the year before the team fell apart because of injuries. This year suddenly no one else can do anything. Tyson, Kidd, and JR have been much more than horrible. Even Woodson has baffled me with his benching of Prigs. When Prigs plays everything is better and easier. Not sure how you can pin this on Melo but I know you hate him.

I just wanna know how last year's Miami series and the Boston series the year before can possibly be his fault. Dont give me advanced numbers and all that stuff. We all saw the team he went into those series with. How could he have done any more than what he did?

He did all we could. He keeps getting in this situation with no help. Of course his percents will drop with no help.

yeah karma is a smothering, suffocating, bitch for some people.

you guys need to face facts: essentially melo is surrounded by the players he deserves. maybe in the next life he will dutifully play out his contract, realize he's not the legend he thinks he is, and finds a team with some young talent that is being built the right way and is being coached by a coach who will bench anyone who does not play the right way-- including him!

oh and working on his footwork, ball and head fakes, and step-back jumpers too... that will help.

Any other year Melo would have played out his contract. I don't understand why it's hard to comprehend that he wanted an extension on his contract due to the CBA, we didn't have to sign him. But rather it was with Denver, Brooklyn or New York, a contract extension was the best business decision he could have made.

I posted articles from forbes, Espn, and other sites that wrote about how he basically didn't have a choice with the uncertainty surrounding the league.

Talked to one of my Economics professor who also is on Dan Gilbert board to rebuild Detroit, and his exact words "Anyone who advised him not to force the issue wouldn't run my company"

I think as fans we forget that Basketball is a business first. IF he goes into the summer with no contract, and say for instance he gets injured, he's not insured, who is going to pay him? Yeah soo selfish of him.

Take off the fan hat, and look at it from a business perspective.

melo is officially a career loser. that is his legacy. he cared more about money than winning and this is the result.

the essence of sport is winning, being victorious on the field of endeavor-- not making money.

the people you consulted are *******s.

Wow what a great, mature response. Again learn the facts. Every player is essentially in it to make money, that's why they have agents, managers, and financial advisers. Of course winning is a part of the game as well as being compensated for you commitment to the game.

And yet again your making assumptions about people that you personally have no connection with whatsoever. I guess both editors for Forbes and ESPN are *******s because they disagree with you or my professor for volunteering his time to help rebuild a struggling city.

Have a good day, I see that obviously your not able to seperate business and personal.

Hersports85 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

it's never mello's fault. he's always the victim.

wake up

Are you kidding. Have you watched the last two games? Last year and the year before the team fell apart because of injuries. This year suddenly no one else can do anything. Tyson, Kidd, and JR have been much more than horrible. Even Woodson has baffled me with his benching of Prigs. When Prigs plays everything is better and easier. Not sure how you can pin this on Melo but I know you hate him.

I just wanna know how last year's Miami series and the Boston series the year before can possibly be his fault. Dont give me advanced numbers and all that stuff. We all saw the team he went into those series with. How could he have done any more than what he did?

He did all we could. He keeps getting in this situation with no help. Of course his percents will drop with no help.

yeah karma is a smothering, suffocating, bitch for some people.

you guys need to face facts: essentially melo is surrounded by the players he deserves. maybe in the next life he will dutifully play out his contract, realize he's not the legend he thinks he is, and finds a team with some young talent that is being built the right way and is being coached by a coach who will bench anyone who does not play the right way-- including him!

oh and working on his footwork, ball and head fakes, and step-back jumpers too... that will help.

Any other year Melo would have played out his contract. I don't understand why it's hard to comprehend that he wanted an extension on his contract due to the CBA, we didn't have to sign him. But rather it was with Denver, Brooklyn or New York, a contract extension was the best business decision he could have made.

I posted articles from forbes, Espn, and other sites that wrote about how he basically didn't have a choice with the uncertainty surrounding the league.

Talked to one of my Economics professor who also is on Dan Gilbert board to rebuild Detroit, and his exact words "Anyone who advised him not to force the issue wouldn't run my company"

I think as fans we forget that Basketball is a business first. IF he goes into the summer with no contract, and say for instance he gets injured, he's not insured, who is going to pay him? Yeah soo selfish of him.

Take off the fan hat, and look at it from a business perspective.

melo is officially a career loser. that is his legacy. he cared more about money than winning and this is the result.

the essence of sport is winning, being victorious on the field of endeavor-- not making money.

the people you consulted are *******s.

Wow what a great, mature response. Again learn the facts. Every player is essentially in it to make money, that's why they have agents, managers, and financial advisers. Of course winning is a part of the game as well as being compensated for you commitment to the game.

And yet again your making assumptions about people that you personally have no connection with whatsoever. I guess both editors for Forbes and ESPN are *******s because they disagree with you or my professor for volunteering his time to help rebuild a struggling city.

Have a good day, I see that obviously your not able to seperate business and personal.

adults have developed their own sets of values and their own ethical compass.

burgeoning adults must be increasingly discerning as to whom they derive their values.

my education, which includes my athletics coaches, my life experience, and my mentors have been instrumental in helping in the development of my values and an ethical compass. that my values and my ethical compass are divergent from other adults is of no concern to me.

i define for myself what "success" and "winning" means, as do you, apparently.

most apologists for professional athletes have no sense of powers of ten or orders of magnitude so far as money and wealth is concerned. you ought to remind yourself that while all are entitled to make money, not all overestimate their own actual value when it comes to winning titles. whereas business is about money, sport is about winning. professional team sports is a precarious balance of money and winning.

melo's greed, conceitedness, and hubris is apparent both off the court and on the court. only someone exactly like him, james dolan, could have hired melo under the absurd circumstances that occurred.

by the way, dolan is a terrible businessman.

now there are no more excuses for either of these losers although both will be crying all the way to the bank.

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

it's never mello's fault. he's always the victim.

wake up

Are you kidding. Have you watched the last two games? Last year and the year before the team fell apart because of injuries. This year suddenly no one else can do anything. Tyson, Kidd, and JR have been much more than horrible. Even Woodson has baffled me with his benching of Prigs. When Prigs plays everything is better and easier. Not sure how you can pin this on Melo but I know you hate him.

I just wanna know how last year's Miami series and the Boston series the year before can possibly be his fault. Dont give me advanced numbers and all that stuff. We all saw the team he went into those series with. How could he have done any more than what he did?

He did all we could. He keeps getting in this situation with no help. Of course his percents will drop with no help.

yeah karma is a smothering, suffocating, bitch for some people.

you guys need to face facts: essentially melo is surrounded by the players he deserves. maybe in the next life he will dutifully play out his contract, realize he's not the legend he thinks he is, and finds a team with some young talent that is being built the right way and is being coached by a coach who will bench anyone who does not play the right way-- including him!

oh and working on his footwork, ball and head fakes, and step-back jumpers too... that will help.

Please dont start with the karma again. I remember you implying that Melo's rumored marital problems were a result of karma for not playing out his contract. You liked the team that he traded away and thats fine. I liked the team as well but can understand him not wanting to wait in limbo during the lockout and lose out on money. The 2 previous playoff series you could have a point because of all the injuries that forced him to play with a terrible team but this post season he played like crap along with most of the team. Thats not karma. Thats not stepping up.

the team falling apart around him in a shambles while he stubbornly continues to play that idiotic bullyball the way he does with zero adaptability is karma.

he sowed and now he reaps.

i know i know... why watch why follow the team? part hope against hope and part rubbernecking fascination with the way these things so predictably unfold.

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

it's never mello's fault. he's always the victim.

wake up

Are you kidding. Have you watched the last two games? Last year and the year before the team fell apart because of injuries. This year suddenly no one else can do anything. Tyson, Kidd, and JR have been much more than horrible. Even Woodson has baffled me with his benching of Prigs. When Prigs plays everything is better and easier. Not sure how you can pin this on Melo but I know you hate him.

I just wanna know how last year's Miami series and the Boston series the year before can possibly be his fault. Dont give me advanced numbers and all that stuff. We all saw the team he went into those series with. How could he have done any more than what he did?

He did all we could. He keeps getting in this situation with no help. Of course his percents will drop with no help.

yeah karma is a smothering, suffocating, bitch for some people.

you guys need to face facts: essentially melo is surrounded by the players he deserves. maybe in the next life he will dutifully play out his contract, realize he's not the legend he thinks he is, and finds a team with some young talent that is being built the right way and is being coached by a coach who will bench anyone who does not play the right way-- including him!

oh and working on his footwork, ball and head fakes, and step-back jumpers too... that will help.

Any other year Melo would have played out his contract. I don't understand why it's hard to comprehend that he wanted an extension on his contract due to the CBA, we didn't have to sign him. But rather it was with Denver, Brooklyn or New York, a contract extension was the best business decision he could have made.

I posted articles from forbes, Espn, and other sites that wrote about how he basically didn't have a choice with the uncertainty surrounding the league.

Talked to one of my Economics professor who also is on Dan Gilbert board to rebuild Detroit, and his exact words "Anyone who advised him not to force the issue wouldn't run my company"

I think as fans we forget that Basketball is a business first. IF he goes into the summer with no contract, and say for instance he gets injured, he's not insured, who is going to pay him? Yeah soo selfish of him.

Take off the fan hat, and look at it from a business perspective.

melo is officially a career loser. that is his legacy. he cared more about money than winning and this is the result.

the essence of sport is winning, being victorious on the field of endeavor-- not making money.

the people you consulted are *******s.

Wow what a great, mature response. Again learn the facts. Every player is essentially in it to make money, that's why they have agents, managers, and financial advisers. Of course winning is a part of the game as well as being compensated for you commitment to the game.

And yet again your making assumptions about people that you personally have no connection with whatsoever. I guess both editors for Forbes and ESPN are *******s because they disagree with you or my professor for volunteering his time to help rebuild a struggling city.

Have a good day, I see that obviously your not able to seperate business and personal.

adults have developed their own sets of values and their own ethical compass.

burgeoning adults must be increasingly discerning as to whom they derive their values.

Actual adults realize that just maybe, their own personal values and ethical compass may help them realize they are not, actually, the center of the universe. Which normally helps them to also realize that their own personal valuea and ethical compass does not undervalue anyone elses.

dk7th wrote:my education, which includes my athletics coaches, my life experience, and my mentors have been instrumental in helping in the development of my values and an ethical compass. that my values and my ethical compass are divergent from other adults is of no concern to me.

i define for myself what "success" and "winning" means, as do you, apparently.

most apologists for professional athletes have no sense of powers of ten or orders of magnitude so far as money and wealth is concerned. you ought to remind yourself that while all are entitled to make money, not all overestimate their own actual value when it comes to winning titles. whereas business is about money, sport is about winning. professional team sports is a precarious balance of money and winning.

melo's greed, conceitedness, and hubris is apparent both off the court and on the court. only someone exactly like him, james dolan, could have hired melo under the absurd circumstances that occurred.

by the way, dolan is a terrible businessman.

now there are no more excuses for either of these losers although both will be crying all the way to the bank.

Which, by the way would make them successful at the precarious balance of money and winning. Notice what you typed first.
Rangers in the playoffs. Knicks in the playoffs. Dumbo Dolan is crying to the bank and you ought to remind yourself that you're here typing out nonsense about orders of magnitude.

Here endeth the lesson.

BEAT THE PACERS, THREE IN A ROW.

JRodmc, I am in awe of you right now That was one hell of a post. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Most Knicks fans (and, it should be noted, former president Donnie Walsh) believed that with little to no competition in a trade, the Knicks did not need to gut the roster to acquire Anthony. The feeling was that if Anthony really wanted to win in New York, he should be against the Knicks giving up quality young talent such as Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler and even center Timofey Mozgov, refuse all trade-and-extend offers so the Nuggets would be forced to keep him through the trade deadline and then sign with the Knicks as a free agent in the summer. It seemed like the best plan.

But it wasn’t the right plan for Anthony, not with a major labor battle on the horizon. And with the lockout into its 105th day and already costing regular-season games, his aggressive move turns out, for him, for the better.

“For the average person out there who really thought I was just trying to get up and just leave for no reason, that really was a big key in my decision,” Anthony said about the lockout. “I knew free agency was coming, I knew it would be altered, I knew it’d be messed up, so imagine if I’d have stayed. I’d have been a free agent now in limbo.”

As a free agent, in a new cap system that is sure to be far more restrictive than the previous CBA, Anthony wouldn’t get the same amount of money. And, possibly, in a more restrictive system, with a lower percentage of the Basketball Related Income going to the players, the Knicks might not have had enough cap room to get him.

He also did a hell of a job getting out just in time.

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But these aren't ordinary times. The looming termination of the league's collective bargaining agreement changes the playing field dramatically. If Anthony becomes a free agent, he will do so under the terms of the next agreement. This is a situation he should avoid, as the new agreement will likely tilt strongly in favor of the owners.

Anthony is savvy enough to recognize this, telling the Denver Post recently he would be "screwed" if he didn't sign the extension and instead became a free agent.

Indeed, becoming a free agent this offseason carries many risks. Anthony's reluctance makes sense when you consider the following factors

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