Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

MS wrote:If Carmelo Anthony is such a great player and the superstar everyone believes he is, then why aren't the Knicks a much better team than the Nuggets?

2013
Knicks 33-20
Nuggets 35-22

2012
Knicks 36-30
Nuggets 38-28

That's all you really have to look at. Where the Knicks a great team before the trade? No. Are they a great team after the trade? NO.

Players aside, the Knicks future is non existent. We have no youth outside of Shumpert, traded every pick we have ever acquired and signed is aging or useless.

Do you think we beat Denver in the Playoffs, I am going to say it's doubtful. Would the Rockets beat us in the playoffs the probability is high. We don't do well in the half court or on the break. The East is a weak conference and yes we have the 3 seed, but that could change very quickly. This team, this franchise never deserves the benefit of the doubt. One playoff win, zero mental toughness and excuses, is NY Knick Basketball. Selfless wins games. Selfish is what this team has become.

Denver is where they are (or remained) because of coming out of Lawson and the drafting of Faried.

No spin needed.

Trading Felt-trash for Miller was pretty pretty good too.

More generally, they are where they are because they picked the right players to build with.
I doubt they would trade Gallo and Lawson for Melo right now. Or Gallo and Faried for Melo.

Maybe they wouldn't but neither would the Knicks (or most other teams). Denver would not make the trade because of previous history.

Also, you are not comparing apples to apples based on salary.

Did Denver pick the "right" players to build around? Time will tell.

They're a young group. They're most likely only going to get better.

Yeah, maybe they'll go back to playing .600 basketball every season like they did when they had Melo. I'd bet they even go to the WCF again, just like they did when they had Melo.

If only every team had Gallo and Lawson to build around!

Time will tell.

Enjoy those Nugget games!

Wait, you're actually bragging about the playoff track record of the guy with the worst playoff winning percentage in decades?

No I'm saying .600 ball and the WCF is better than .500 ball and 1st round only so far. No bragging involved. See how that works?

Denver has struggled when Gallo has been out but I'm pretty sure they're well in the .600s when he's played.

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:Pre trade team at one point was 6 games over .500 before trade rumors became a big distraction to a young team of players not experienced with trades.

The team was improving, it was young, it needed a more experineced post player than Mozgov, and we were running with Felton who was an upgrade to Duhan!

With so many combinations of players, trades, free agents and picks to to in so many directions there is no proof of anything.

The proof is in the record. Denver has done well for itself, so has the kNicks.

Can't imagine why the dead horse won't come back to life?

I did not see the team getting better. They were just getting worse. Amare and Felton were flying backwards and we sold Gallo when his stock was up. I was sad to part with Chandler though and did not like that Moz was thrown in.

let me ask you this.. if that team was flying backwards what the heck is happening to this team now... especially considering the salaries, age and constant injury problems?

We suck! And Amare is even further tanking.

Has nothing to do with the trade. It has to do with how management has blundered for numerous years.

If writers in Denver thought/think that Denver won the trade, I think that most of the country think that there is/was no clear winner.

how can you say this has nothing to do with the trade and then say management has blundered for numerous years.. .well that trade IMO was part of the blunder.. If you can't see the direction this team was going before the trade, the options we had, the talent we had to work with and the flexibility, then honestly, I just can't help you ever see it...

I think that most of the country think that there is/was no clear winner.

I think there was a clear winner... Denver could have lost carmelo for nothing.. instead they obtained pieces and assets that are not only helping now but will prove valuable in the future... the knicks are the one's that had to empty their coffers... I say denver was the clear winner here because they were at risk of losing an asset for nothing, and they came out great.... what more could they have asked for?

how can you say this has nothing to do with the trade and then say management has blundered for numerous years

How can I say that? I think if you work on it a bit you can extrapolate how this conclusion is attainable.

I think there was a clear winner...

That is really nice that YOUR feel that way. Most people don't / feel indifferent.

I say denver was the clear winner here because they were at risk of losing an asset for nothing, and they came out great.... what more could they have asked for?

Read this carefully and then let me know how you think this statement/logic would hold up in court. As flawed of a statement as I've seen.

Empty Coffers? Love these claims!

Love your passion though. Love is blind.

I think that Denver is a better team - BANG!! Now you can take that statement and apply the faulty logic that you normally do.

And btw, I have never said that NY has won the trade. I said/say that it is unclear. Oh ... AND ALL THOSE PICKS - may change my mind.

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:Pre trade team at one point was 6 games over .500 before trade rumors became a big distraction to a young team of players not experienced with trades.

The team was improving, it was young, it needed a more experineced post player than Mozgov, and we were running with Felton who was an upgrade to Duhan!

With so many combinations of players, trades, free agents and picks to to in so many directions there is no proof of anything.

The proof is in the record. Denver has done well for itself, so has the kNicks.

Can't imagine why the dead horse won't come back to life?

I did not see the team getting better. They were just getting worse. Amare and Felton were flying backwards and we sold Gallo when his stock was up. I was sad to part with Chandler though and did not like that Moz was thrown in.

let me ask you this.. if that team was flying backwards what the heck is happening to this team now... especially considering the salaries, age and constant injury problems?

We suck! And Amare is even further tanking.

Has nothing to do with the trade. It has to do with how management has blundered for numerous years.

If writers in Denver thought/think that Denver won the trade, I think that most of the country think that there is/was no clear winner.

how can you say this has nothing to do with the trade and then say management has blundered for numerous years.. .well that trade IMO was part of the blunder.. If you can't see the direction this team was going before the trade, the options we had, the talent we had to work with and the flexibility, then honestly, I just can't help you ever see it...

I think that most of the country think that there is/was no clear winner.

I think there was a clear winner... Denver could have lost carmelo for nothing.. instead they obtained pieces and assets that are not only helping now but will prove valuable in the future... the knicks are the one's that had to empty their coffers... I say denver was the clear winner here because they were at risk of losing an asset for nothing, and they came out great.... what more could they have asked for?

how can you say this has nothing to do with the trade and then say management has blundered for numerous years

How can I say that? I think if you work on it a bit you can extrapolate how this conclusion is attainable.

I think there was a clear winner...

That is really nice that YOUR feel that way. Most people don't / feel indifferent.

I say denver was the clear winner here because they were at risk of losing an asset for nothing, and they came out great.... what more could they have asked for?

Read this carefully and then let me know how you think this statement/logic would hold up in court. As flawed of a statement as I've seen.

Empty Coffers? Love these claims!

Love your passion though. Love is blind.

I think that Denver is a better team - BANG!! Now you can take that statement and apply the faulty logic that you normally do.

And btw, I have never said that NY has won the trade. I said/say that it is unclear. Oh ... AND ALL THOSE PICKS - may change my mind.

dude it is simple... management has made many blunders.. the trade being one of them.. I don't care how this will hold up in court as we are not in court... when you think of it, the way many of the arguments are formed here.. None of them will hold up in court, so what is the point of that comment?

And btw, I have never said that NY has won the trade. I said/say that it is unclear.

thats fine... ok... but what you are trying to do is make is seem as if denver would be just as good had they let carmelo walk.. you said that.. that is not the case, there is no proof of that ,actually there is proof against that.. but in order for that to be so, you would have to give credit to the main components of that trade.. namely gallo.. and that is hard for you to swallow and evidence of that is the statement you made about denver being just as good if they had let carmelo walk.. that is just not true...

I think that Denver is a better team - BANG!!

BANG, so do I, and I also think they got the better of the trade.. BANG..

nice talking to ya...

time to grab some lunch.... tired of eating yours.....

later..

Both teams won the trade, because they both got what they wanted...plain and simple.

mrKnickShot wrote:Gallo is an ok player. They could have let carmelo walk and spend that money on an equal or better player than Gallo. Once again, your argument is flawed.

As much as you take offense to people not believing in Gallo as a very good player, many feel that he has been at least a bit underwhelming.

You get so feisty when you defend or feel like you need to defend Gallo

It really is kind of adorable.

you keep making that claim yet never provided any players they could have signed... remember they got more than just gallo.... stop talking about flawed arguments here.. look in the mirror... LOL

As much as you take offense to people not believing in Gallo as a very good player, many feel that he has been at least a bit underwhelming.

LOL dude cut out the old, childish antics.. that will not bother me.. I don't care what you think about gallo, I only address silly statements, and would like for people to be upfront when they post... you are not being honest here.... so I call it like I see it.. thats all....

mrKnickShot wrote:Gallo is an ok player. They could have let carmelo walk and spend that money on an equal or better player than Gallo.

Thank you. Exactly.

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:When Gallo gets traded he will then proceed to bad mouth Denver. Good thing posts like this will be saved.

actually why would I bad mouth denver.. I didn't bad mouth them before he got there..

Be honest man. I guarantee you would never mention Denver if your boy Gallo was traded to Memphis for Rudy Gay.

I know your a Gallo fan. Just keep it real. If Gallo was on the Wizards you'd be hyping them.

NYKMentality wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Gallo is an ok player. They could have let carmelo walk and spend that money on an equal or better player than Gallo.

Thank you. Exactly.

kiss of death endorsement....

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:When Gallo gets traded he will then proceed to bad mouth Denver. Good thing posts like this will be saved.

actually why would I bad mouth denver.. I didn't bad mouth them before he got there..

Be honest man. I guarantee you would never mention Denver if your boy Gallo was traded to Memphis for Rudy Gay.

I know your a Gallo fan. Just keep it real. If Gallo was on the Wizards you'd be hyping them.

Not to go off-track, but the Wizards looks really good. They have beaten almost all the winning teams that they have faced in the last month I think. They just keep losing to the bad teams.