BRIGGS wrote:Yahoo says Phoenix is offering a first round pick + Dudley I mean take that deal and dont look back.

Nah you really don't. Suns got 3 picks for Nash...a player the Lakers could have signed outright.

BRIGGS wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:No way am I even willing to give up Steve Novak. Come postseason play, this man can become down right deadly being surrounded by the likes of Felton, J.R, Melo, Stoudemire and Chandler. Which wasn't the case last season where Miami could focus on Novak due to lack of overall ability/talent. Novak has came out of nowhere and emerged into one of the greatest pure shooting three point shooters in the game today. Led the entire league in 3PT shooting percentage last season and also ranks top 5 (4th) only behind the likes of Martin, Curry and Kover and ahead of Ray Allen, Durant, Mike Dunleavy etc, etc.

His three point shooting percentage as of right now? .441%. Reggie Miller was a career .395 shooter from beyond the arc while Bird had a career three point shooting percentage of .376. Not comparing Novak as an overall player to all-time greats but when in regards to shooting? He's as great as they come as a pure shooter. Can change the momentum of a ball game in an instant coming off the bench. .472 and .441 over the past two seasons? It's no longer a fluke, Novak is a special shooter and come postseason play, when opposing defenses are focused on the likes of Felton, J.R Smith (who LOVES Novak), Melo, Stoudemire etc, etc... Novak can get wet and bury teams with his shooting.

Novak is 7th on our team in minutes per game behind Melo, Felton, J.R, Tyson, Kidd and Amar'e. He's more important to our success than people give him credit for. Just having Novak roam the perimeter looking to get off, opens up the entire floor for Melo and Amar'e. Defenses will not leave Novak open. Which opens up our offense for our stars and/or PG's. His defense and rebounding is an issue, but come postseason play? I can't wait for M.S.G to explode as Novak drains momentum changing money balls.

It's just a hunch, but I believe Novak emerges come postseason play here in 2012-2013. I'm not willing to trade one of the NBA's greatest pure shooters.

Go back and look at Novak last playoffs---nothing

And, what's your point? Can we actually add some insight here? What does Novak of last postseason have to do with Novak come this up coming postseason? Nothing whatsoever. You know why? Because he's on a completely different team.

Are you're seriously trying to harp all over Novak's postseason performance last season, despite the fact that our starting PG in Jeremy Lin sat out the entire series, Iman Shumpert went down for the season during our first game against Miami, Amar'e Stoudemire missed one game while being banged up during our final two games due to an injured hand while Baron Davis also went down? And you're telling me to look at Novak's last postseason? Funny.

Also, where are guys such as Mike Bibby, Toney Touglas, Landry Fields, Jared Jeffries, Josh Harrellson, Jerome Jordan and Dan Gadzuric?

Those guys will (hopefully) be replaced by the likes of...

Raymond Felton in replace of Mike Bibby.
Jason Kidd in replace of Landry Fields.
Pablo Prigioni in replace of Toney Douglas.
Marcus Camby in replace of Jared Jeffries.
Rasheed Wallace in replace of Josh Harrellson.
Kurt Thomas in replace of Dan Gadzuric.
Both Shumpert and Stoudemire remaining healthy come postseason play.

Get it? Different team. But what does Novak struggling with a depleted Knicks team in which featured an overall lack of talent have anything to do with our up coming postseason and/or Novak moving forward?

It's funny/sad how fans (such as yourself) harp all over Novak due to his postseason last year (small sample size) while A.) Refusing to acknowledge Novak's overall situation against Miami (lack of team help) and B.) Completely ignoring how Novak has emerged into one of the NBA's greatest pure three point shooters over the past two years ala leading the NBA in 3PT Percentage last year and once again, top 5 here in 2012-2013.

Novak went 4/7 from beyond the arc against Miami last postseason. A percentage of .571%.

Stop acting as if Novak were the problem come postseason play when in all actual reality, Novak wasn't getting the ball due to NY featuring awful PG's in which couldn't penetrate the lanes in order to give Novak open lookers. But when Novak got off shots? He drained those threes (as usual, nothing new). Jeremy Lin sat out while Davis, Bibby and Douglas sucked as Novak's PG's. Not having both Jeremy Lin and Shumpert hurt. But with PG's such as Felton, Kidd, Pablo and even Shumpert being active? Man, Novak can become down right deadly from beyond the arc come postseason play.

Why not compare what Novak has done to the Heat here in 2012-2013 with our current Knicks team when compared to Miami of last season? Because during two games against Miami this year, Novak has combined for 35 points off 9/17 from behind the arc. I want Novak coming off our bench during a potential Eastern Conference Finals against Miami.

Jmpasq wrote:Can Someone explain why Knicks fans are foaming at the mouth to acquire an average swing man. U can get players like Dudley for the vet min

Much better than adding a SF who doesn't solve rebounding and frontcourt issues

BigDaddyG wrote:Dudley is a solid player, but he's overpaid. I think we'd be doing the Suns a favor by taking him off their hands. I hang up as soon as they say "Shu"....But I have to listen if thrown in some picks. I'd do the trade if it put us in CJ McCollum-Michael Carter-Williams range and they throw in another second-rounder.

So making $4mil/yr is overpaid for a solid player who actually can play offense and defense?

gunsnewing wrote:He's not overpaid at $4mil per but you can sign someone better like a Martell Webster in the offseason for the $3mil MLE and not lose Shump and insurance incase JR bolts.

Much better than adding a SF who doesn't solve rebounding and frontcourt issues

I'd say that's about $1.5 to $2 million more than Dudley should be paid.

BigDaddyG wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:He's not overpaid at $4mil per but you can sign someone better like a Martell Webster in the offseason for the $3mil MLE and not lose Shump and insurance incase JR bolts.

Much better than adding a SF who doesn't solve rebounding and frontcourt issues

I'd say that's about $1.5 to $2 million more than Dudley should be paid.

What does that say about Novak then? Identical contracts

A guy like Dudley is worth $4. No more no less

gunsnewing wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:He's not overpaid at $4mil per but you can sign someone better like a Martell Webster in the offseason for the $3mil MLE and not lose Shump and insurance incase JR bolts.

Much better than adding a SF who doesn't solve rebounding and frontcourt issues

I'd say that's about $1.5 to $2 million more than Dudley should be paid.

What does that say about Novak then? Identical contracts

A guy like Dudley is worth $4. No more no less

3G4G wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:He's not overpaid at $4mil per but you can sign someone better like a Martell Webster in the offseason for the $3mil MLE and not lose Shump and insurance incase JR bolts.

Much better than adding a SF who doesn't solve rebounding and frontcourt issues

I'd say that's about $1.5 to $2 million more than Dudley should be paid.

That's not realistic to expect for a player who averages 10-12ppg a few ast/reb/stl, plays above average defense, and shoots 48-40-80 from the floor

You would play him at SG or SF?

gunsnewing wrote:

3G4G wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:He's not overpaid at $4mil per but you can sign someone better like a Martell Webster in the offseason for the $3mil MLE and not lose Shump and insurance incase JR bolts.

Much better than adding a SF who doesn't solve rebounding and frontcourt issues

I'd say that's about $1.5 to $2 million more than Dudley should be paid.

That's not realistic to expect for a player who averages 10-12ppg a few ast/reb/stl, plays above average defense, and shoots 48-40-80 from the floor

You would play him at SG or SF?

Hard to say we have some positionless rotations...I'd probably lean more towards him playing the 2.