tkf wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Papabear wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Papabear wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

JR Smith bleeds the blue and orange and I believe that even if a poison pill was offered he would not take it. The only thing that would be important to JR Smith would be that he starts and after the second year he would have a bail out clause. He is a New Jersey boy who love the Knicks. Lin gave us the poison pill and if we would have kept Lin it would have been very difficult for Melo to be who he is now. Making Lin some sort of hero over Melo would be a hard pill for Melo to swallow even though Lin can't be compared to the greatness of Melo.

There is no loyalty involved here, professional sports is not a family business where loyalty can be questioned. Professional sports teams makes decisions based on finance's and contracts not loyalty this is why few players stay with the same team who drafted them throughout their entire career.

Lin wanted more of the pie and I would think J.R Smith would do the same. For him to stay and and not get a new contract what he's worth would be insanity .

Papabear Says

So what you are saying as a player Lin is worth 25 million compared to other point guards who can kick his butt but making less.

like who?

Papabear Says

1. Mike Connlie
3. Stephen Curry
3.Jemere Nelsen
4. Kyle Lewry
5. Jrue Holliday

Need I name any more????? They all are making less and can out play Lin.

There's a few problems with your list.

1. Mike Conley has a 4 year/$33M contract
2. Stephen Curry is still on his rookie deal. When he's due for an extension he'll be making more than Lin
3. Jameer Nelson sucks and he's making the same money as Lin.
4. Kyle Lowry, no argument
5. Jrue Holliday is in the last of his rookie deal, he's already signed an extension that will be paying him $11M/year starting next season.

I also think steph curry signed his extension as well he is on the books for 11 mil plus the next few years

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8576514/stephen-curry-golden-state-warriors-agrees-four-year-contract-extension

this is a complete fail on behalf of papa bear.. I honestly wish he stop..

You are wrong again~ From when stephen curry came into the league at the time Lin came in and you count the years the package that Lin got was more and hay how many Cities could he pull this off? After this Lin's 3 year deal it will be his last big pay day. He can thank Melo for recomending him to be put in the game.
What about my Melo question to you?? Are you going to say it. Remember Melo is our team leader so please respect him and root for him. Can you do that??

VCoug wrote:

Papabear wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Papabear wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

JR Smith bleeds the blue and orange and I believe that even if a poison pill was offered he would not take it. The only thing that would be important to JR Smith would be that he starts and after the second year he would have a bail out clause. He is a New Jersey boy who love the Knicks. Lin gave us the poison pill and if we would have kept Lin it would have been very difficult for Melo to be who he is now. Making Lin some sort of hero over Melo would be a hard pill for Melo to swallow even though Lin can't be compared to the greatness of Melo.

There is no loyalty involved here, professional sports is not a family business where loyalty can be questioned. Professional sports teams makes decisions based on finance's and contracts not loyalty this is why few players stay with the same team who drafted them throughout their entire career.

Lin wanted more of the pie and I would think J.R Smith would do the same. For him to stay and and not get a new contract what he's worth would be insanity .

Papabear Says

So what you are saying as a player Lin is worth 25 million compared to other point guards who can kick his butt but making less.

like who?

Papabear Says

1. Mike Connlie
3. Stephen Curry
3.Jemere Nelsen
4. Kyle Lewry
5. Jrue Holliday

Need I name any more????? They all are making less and can out play Lin.

There's a few problems with your list.

1. Mike Conley has a 4 year/$33M contract
2. Stephen Curry is still on his rookie deal. When he's due for an extension he'll be making more than Lin He's already signed an extension and will be making more than Lin.
3. Jameer Nelson sucks and he's making the same money as Lin.
4. Kyle Lowry, no argument
5. Jrue Holliday is in the last of his rookie deal, he's already signed an extension that will be paying him $11M/year starting next season.

No 1. They can all outpay Lin and you fail to add in another 10 million plus that he gets from indorsments that only in a city like New York a dream like Lin got could only happen. Mike Conley deserve more because he is better than Lin Stephen Curry is making less than Lin Jameer Nelson sucks is your opinion and show where he is making the same money Jrue Holliday is not making the money now so don't add things in. I'm talking about now.
New York gave Lin his dream and I like Lin but he is not stupid. He knew there would be a change and he could not continue to play at the level he played in those 6 - 8 games. One Alfa male in New York and the is Melo

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

JR Smith bleeds the blue and orange and I believe that even if a poison pill was offered he would not take it. The only thing that would be important to JR Smith would be that he starts and after the second year he would have a bail out clause. He is a New Jersey boy who love the Knicks. Lin gave us the poison pill and if we would have kept Lin it would have been very difficult for Melo to be who he is now. Making Lin some sort of hero over Melo would be a hard pill for Melo to swallow even though Lin can't be compared to the greatness of Melo.

good gosh there is so much off base here it's hard to know where to begin. lin "gave" the poison pill? how did he do that? does he have some special powers that other players don't? the offer houston made for his services changed into what it was-- it was not lin's doing. and at that point it was up to the knicks to match-- again not up to lin. it was up to dolan and his fragile ego to end the matter one way or the other. he didn't like getting played and took his ball and went home.

and then you say that lin would have made it difficult for melo to be what he is now? how does that work exactly? have you compared lin's ability to orchestrate with felton's? they are better, which helps melo nd the entire offense. his FGA per game? they are fewer which gives melo more opportunies. TS%? lin's is higher. lin's numbers are all better than felton's.

the last part i agree with, because lin's charisma would certainly not be tolerated by a vain douche like carmelo.

You were doing so well with your first two paragraphs in terms of providing proof/statistics to back up what you say...and then you this? At least clarify that thats just your opinion about him instead of saying it like you know for a fact

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

JR Smith bleeds the blue and orange and I believe that even if a poison pill was offered he would not take it. The only thing that would be important to JR Smith would be that he starts and after the second year he would have a bail out clause. He is a New Jersey boy who love the Knicks. Lin gave us the poison pill and if we would have kept Lin it would have been very difficult for Melo to be who he is now. Making Lin some sort of hero over Melo would be a hard pill for Melo to swallow even though Lin can't be compared to the greatness of Melo.

good gosh there is so much off base here it's hard to know where to begin. lin "gave" the poison pill? how did he do that? does he have some special powers that other players don't? the offer houston made for his services changed into what it was-- it was not lin's doing. and at that point it was up to the knicks to match-- again not up to lin. it was up to dolan and his fragile ego to end the matter one way or the other. he didn't like getting played and took his ball and went home.

and then you say that lin would have made it difficult for melo to be what he is now? how does that work exactly? have you compared lin's ability to orchestrate with felton's? they are better, which helps melo nd the entire offense. his FGA per game? they are fewer which gives melo more opportunies. TS%? lin's is higher. lin's numbers are all better than felton's.

the last part i agree with, because lin's charisma would certainly not be tolerated by a vain douche like carmelo.

You were doing so well with your first two paragraphs in terms of providing proof/statistics to back up what you say...and then you this? At least clarify that thats just your opinion about him instead of saying it like you know for a fact

this is my opinion: everything about melo conveys "vain douche," be it his interviews or his game. thank goodness his 3-point shooting is through the roof right now because it is helping the team win. other than that his game has remained pretty much the same. he overvalues himself.

I know it's fashionable to hate our own players, but I'd love to see a humble NBA player, that doesn't think he is a good player.

Papabear wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Papabear wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Papabear wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

JR Smith bleeds the blue and orange and I believe that even if a poison pill was offered he would not take it. The only thing that would be important to JR Smith would be that he starts and after the second year he would have a bail out clause. He is a New Jersey boy who love the Knicks. Lin gave us the poison pill and if we would have kept Lin it would have been very difficult for Melo to be who he is now. Making Lin some sort of hero over Melo would be a hard pill for Melo to swallow even though Lin can't be compared to the greatness of Melo.

There is no loyalty involved here, professional sports is not a family business where loyalty can be questioned. Professional sports teams makes decisions based on finance's and contracts not loyalty this is why few players stay with the same team who drafted them throughout their entire career.

Lin wanted more of the pie and I would think J.R Smith would do the same. For him to stay and and not get a new contract what he's worth would be insanity .

Papabear Says

So what you are saying as a player Lin is worth 25 million compared to other point guards who can kick his butt but making less.

like who?

Papabear Says

1. Mike Connlie
3. Stephen Curry
3.Jemere Nelsen
4. Kyle Lewry
5. Jrue Holliday

Need I name any more????? They all are making less and can out play Lin.

There's a few problems with your list.

1. Mike Conley has a 4 year/$33M contract
2. Stephen Curry is still on his rookie deal. When he's due for an extension he'll be making more than Lin He's already signed an extension and will be making more than Lin.
3. Jameer Nelson sucks and he's making the same money as Lin.
4. Kyle Lowry, no argument
5. Jrue Holliday is in the last of his rookie deal, he's already signed an extension that will be paying him $11M/year starting next season.

Papabear Says

No 1. They can all outpay Lin and you fail to add in another 10 million plus that he gets from indorsments that only in a city like New York a dream like Lin got could only happen. Mike Conley deserve more because he is better than Lin Stephen Curry is making less than Lin Jameer Nelson sucks is your opinion and show where he is making the same money Jrue Holliday is not making the money now so don't add things in. I'm talking about now.
New York gave Lin his dream and I like Lin but he is not stupid. He knew there would be a change and he could not continue to play at the level he played in those 6 - 8 games. One Alfa male in New York and the is Melo

Dude, no offense but I have no idea what you're trying to argue anymore.

People in China and Taiwan, where most of his endorsement money come from, don't give a **** what team Lin plays for. I get all my player salary information from here http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm. Jeremy Lin is in the first year of a 3-year/$25M contract. Mike Conley is in the 2nd year of a 5-year/$40M contract. Stephen Curry is in the final year of his rookie deal and has a 4-year/$44M contract that starts next season. Jameer Nelson is in the first year of a 3-year/$25M contract. Jrue Holliday is in the final year of his rookie deal and has a 4-year/$44M extension that starts next season.

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

JR Smith bleeds the blue and orange and I believe that even if a poison pill was offered he would not take it. The only thing that would be important to JR Smith would be that he starts and after the second year he would have a bail out clause. He is a New Jersey boy who love the Knicks. Lin gave us the poison pill and if we would have kept Lin it would have been very difficult for Melo to be who he is now. Making Lin some sort of hero over Melo would be a hard pill for Melo to swallow even though Lin can't be compared to the greatness of Melo.

good gosh there is so much off base here it's hard to know where to begin. lin "gave" the poison pill? how did he do that? does he have some special powers that other players don't? the offer houston made for his services changed into what it was-- it was not lin's doing. and at that point it was up to the knicks to match-- again not up to lin. it was up to dolan and his fragile ego to end the matter one way or the other. he didn't like getting played and took his ball and went home.

and then you say that lin would have made it difficult for melo to be what he is now? how does that work exactly? have you compared lin's ability to orchestrate with felton's? they are better, which helps melo nd the entire offense. his FGA per game? they are fewer which gives melo more opportunies. TS%? lin's is higher. lin's numbers are all better than felton's.

the last part i agree with, because lin's charisma would certainly not be tolerated by a vain douche like carmelo.

VCoug wrote:

Papabear wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Papabear wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Papabear wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

JR Smith bleeds the blue and orange and I believe that even if a poison pill was offered he would not take it. The only thing that would be important to JR Smith would be that he starts and after the second year he would have a bail out clause. He is a New Jersey boy who love the Knicks. Lin gave us the poison pill and if we would have kept Lin it would have been very difficult for Melo to be who he is now. Making Lin some sort of hero over Melo would be a hard pill for Melo to swallow even though Lin can't be compared to the greatness of Melo.

There is no loyalty involved here, professional sports is not a family business where loyalty can be questioned. Professional sports teams makes decisions based on finance's and contracts not loyalty this is why few players stay with the same team who drafted them throughout their entire career.

Lin wanted more of the pie and I would think J.R Smith would do the same. For him to stay and and not get a new contract what he's worth would be insanity .

Papabear Says

So what you are saying as a player Lin is worth 25 million compared to other point guards who can kick his butt but making less.

like who?

Papabear Says

1. Mike Connlie
3. Stephen Curry
3.Jemere Nelsen
4. Kyle Lewry
5. Jrue Holliday

Need I name any more????? They all are making less and can out play Lin.

There's a few problems with your list.

1. Mike Conley has a 4 year/$33M contract
2. Stephen Curry is still on his rookie deal. When he's due for an extension he'll be making more than Lin He's already signed an extension and will be making more than Lin.
3. Jameer Nelson sucks and he's making the same money as Lin.
4. Kyle Lowry, no argument
5. Jrue Holliday is in the last of his rookie deal, he's already signed an extension that will be paying him $11M/year starting next season.

Papabear Says

No 1. They can all outpay Lin and you fail to add in another 10 million plus that he gets from indorsments that only in a city like New York a dream like Lin got could only happen. Mike Conley deserve more because he is better than Lin Stephen Curry is making less than Lin Jameer Nelson sucks is your opinion and show where he is making the same money Jrue Holliday is not making the money now so don't add things in. I'm talking about now.
New York gave Lin his dream and I like Lin but he is not stupid. He knew there would be a change and he could not continue to play at the level he played in those 6 - 8 games. One Alfa male in New York and the is Melo

Dude, no offense but I have no idea what you're trying to argue anymore.

People in China and Taiwan, where most of his endorsement money come from, don't give a **** what team Lin plays for. I get all my player salary information from here http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm. Jeremy Lin is in the first year of a 3-year/$25M contract. Mike Conley is in the 2nd year of a 5-year/$40M contract. Stephen Curry is in the final year of his rookie deal and has a 4-year/$44M contract that starts next season. Jameer Nelson is in the first year of a 3-year/$25M contract. Jrue Holliday is in the final year of his rookie deal and has a 4-year/$44M extension that starts next season.

he is not even defending his original argument, which we have proven wrong... the numbers were posted and he is backtracking, talking about venus and the stars aligning with mars or something like that....

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

JR Smith bleeds the blue and orange and I believe that even if a poison pill was offered he would not take it. The only thing that would be important to JR Smith would be that he starts and after the second year he would have a bail out clause. He is a New Jersey boy who love the Knicks. Lin gave us the poison pill and if we would have kept Lin it would have been very difficult for Melo to be who he is now. Making Lin some sort of hero over Melo would be a hard pill for Melo to swallow even though Lin can't be compared to the greatness of Melo.

good gosh there is so much off base here it's hard to know where to begin. lin "gave" the poison pill? how did he do that? does he have some special powers that other players don't? the offer houston made for his services changed into what it was-- it was not lin's doing. and at that point it was up to the knicks to match-- again not up to lin. it was up to dolan and his fragile ego to end the matter one way or the other. he didn't like getting played and took his ball and went home.

and then you say that lin would have made it difficult for melo to be what he is now? how does that work exactly? have you compared lin's ability to orchestrate with felton's? they are better, which helps melo nd the entire offense. his FGA per game? they are fewer which gives melo more opportunies. TS%? lin's is higher. lin's numbers are all better than felton's.

the last part i agree with, because lin's charisma would certainly not be tolerated by a vain douche like carmelo.

In regards to Lin giving us the poison pill you could make the argument that he was all in for himself when he went into the negotiations after firing his longtime agent and skipping playing on the USA Select Team because he was a free agent. He was looking out for himself as he should. However, to act like he was a bystander in the process and Dolan was a billionaire with a fragile ego as opposed to a guy assessing a situation and deciding what was best for his team in light of the new cba then I think you are selling him short. In regards to Melo, not sure why you feel the need to hate him. Was it the trade? Was it his words taken out of context when asked about Lin's offer from Houston? Was it that he figured out Mike D'Antoni was a really bad basketball coach that used him wrong? Or was it something else?
I wonder if guys go on Bulls boards and trash Reinsdorf for not matching Asik's offer. There is a very good chance that Asik was the better of the two signings.

knicks needed a PG and we let a young one go for nothing.. asik while good and filled with potential played a position occupied by another young center who is really good and better... had noah been 32 years old nearing the end of his deal then I would question them not resigning asik... but at this point he would have been an expensive luxury for the bulls... so while there may be fans on the bulls board upset with the move I am sure they are few, but that has nothing to do with us, as we seem to make dumb move after dumb move..