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TheGame
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12/31/2012  8:56 AM
I don't know which report is true as far what we can offer, but if we are limited to MLE, the Knicks will offer Smith a 4yr $22-$23 million contract easily and I think that will be enough to keep him. If we can exceed the cap, then I think $8 million per year would be the max I would offer him. The dude is still just too inconsistent to treat like a max player, and he plays the same position as Shumpert, who hopefully can come back from injury. It is not that hard to find a decent SG.

I think JR wants to be here, so if we can offer at least 80% of what someone else is willing to pay him, I think he will stay in NY.

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12/31/2012  9:00 AM
He's matured. He's a child off the court.
He's improved. He's still a knucklehead.
Crawford's better. Crawford's older.

JR's won games at the buzzer twice in a month. He's the main reason we're in games in the second half. Watch the tape fellas.

Since early on this season, he's playing D, he's getting O-rebs at critical points late in games. Especially when he's shooting like Gerald Wilkins with a broken hand.

He took less money to stay here. He's partying, but he's not getting arrested. And this is with two years living in Sin City Central. Did ANYONE really think he wasn't going to be Mr. NY Rag Back Page fodder if he lasted this long here? The post games holding his daughter. What's that for? Trying to jockey for NBA Citizen of the year award money?

He may freak you all out and decide life's not about money now. Wouldn't that wound all you Somberites.
Yeah, he's miniMelo. That's really so funny.

Playing .700 ball after the first trimester is truly painful for some around here, isn't it?
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12/31/2012  9:31 AM
misterearl wrote:
Syniko wrote:
J.R Smith is about as dumb as it gets. Very low Basketball I.Q.

Subtract Mr Smiths tenacious defense, end to end hustle, durability, 16 points (some with a Kobe degree of difficulty), 5 rebounds and three assists, more than one steal for each game that he plays - and consider where the Knicks (with or without Carmelo) would be without him.

Smith has made some immature decisions in the past - on and off the court - but calling him dumb says more about Synikos inability to appreciate the present, than JR. Insulting a young man is far more entertaining than applauding his growth or recognizing his positive contribution to a winning team. Syniko's stance is only a window to his insecurity and resentment.

Sad.


There is truth to your statement but remember we heard some good stuff about maturity, etc last year and we come to find out he was out every other nite and treated road trips as party adventures.

Can a tiger change his stripes so fast?

to be fair, I say "it all gets sorted out on the court" and his play is evolving. The ability and potential is there. Its harnessing it to suit the NBA on and off the court.

Incremental change is what we are seeing. To applaud into a nice fable "happy ending" is premature and Im not saying your there, or is he.

The reason why teams are scared to give him long term money is the fear of what a guaranteed contract brings when they "get their money".
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12/31/2012  12:02 PM
I don't care what anyone says. The market for a 2g that can give u 20-5-5with good d will be 10a year for the max 5 years.
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12/31/2012  12:52 PM
UK members continue to bring up JR Smith troublesome past, yet, I can't recall anything terrible that he has done.

He has never shot himself in a nightclub
Never accidentally killed anyone
no baby momma drama
no drunk driving
never ran in the stands to fight fans
no drugs

Nalod just mentioned that he "partied" a lot last year....ummm, ok....my question is, where did you all READ this? I think I follow the knicks pretty well and dont remember reading anything negative about this dude and I didn't follow Denver closely enough to care
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12/31/2012  12:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/31/2012  1:15 PM
10m per year is not impossible with the way he is playing

REGARDLESS

chances are that we will not be able to match what another team with cap room will be able to offer Smith

he is easily looking like he has earned a starting salary of 7-8m per year, how he continues to play, and how he ,and as well as the Knicks, performs in the POST Season could be the FINAL FACTOR

like Atlanta/Suns/Bobcats/Dallas/Houston??? *with Lin's comments*/Bucks/Pacers/Utah/Portland/Cleveland


The way JR Smith is playing, it is very possible that a team will offer Smith a contract in which we would not be able to offer/match
So far, it is looking like he is going to get much more than the 5m we can offer him with early bird rights this summer

I think if JR does indeed cash in for his possibly highest contract of his career with his career year and improvements, we cannot blame him
If he does leave, does JR get blasted like how many here blast Jeremy Lin for signing the contract?
When JR has the option of resigning with NY that Lin never was offered or leave for the best contract he has worked/improved on this year....

While it is unlikely we can draft a rookie, sign *with 3m Mini MLE*, or trade for the production of the JR SMITH of this year,

Iman Shumpert might be able to grow in to what JR brings next year, seems to be our best chance

While possibly getting a player of JR Smith is in previous year via trade, draft, or signing

*FA's we can target and have a realistic chance at acquiring with the mini MLE, trade, and/or veteran minimum contracts*

usually players in our price range can either play DECENT DEF or good OFFENSE, not do all the things JR Smith is doing this year.
Smith not only improved his DEF and shot selection to go with his scoring, but the TEAM effort, facilitating role, REBOUNDS, and with quality minutes
Smith offensively is talented enough to be a team's 2nd or 3rd scoring option, heck on some teams he is good enough to be the #1 option
Some thought Harden was not a #1 option and was only good because he played with Durant/Westbrook....


Matt Barnes
James Johnson
Dunleavey
Jarreat Jack

Tony Allen
Stephen Jackson

Randy Foye
Carlos Delfino
Kyle Korver

Nate Robinson
TD, yes, his shot/confidence is back, in Houston he leaves the PG duties/penetrating/facilitating role to Lin/Harden and even some to Chandler Parsons
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12/31/2012  1:00 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:UK members continue to bring up JR Smith troublesome past, yet, I can't recall anything terrible that he has done.

He has never shot himself in a nightclub
Never accidentally killed anyone
no baby momma drama
no drunk driving
never ran in the stands to fight fans
no drugs

Nalod just mentioned that he "partied" a lot last year....ummm, ok....my question is, where did you all READ this? I think I follow the knicks pretty well and dont remember reading anything negative about this dude and I didn't follow Denver closely enough to care

I like JR and am glad he's on the team, but there is some concerning stuff in his past.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4298594

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12/31/2012  1:02 PM
I hate getting into this discussion but...........No one faulted Lin for taking the money that Houston offered, the disagreement was he worth that much and LinLovers making him out to be the best thing since slice bread.
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12/31/2012  1:45 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:UK members continue to bring up JR Smith troublesome past, yet, I can't recall anything terrible that he has done.

He has never shot himself in a nightclub
Never accidentally killed anyone
no baby momma drama
no drunk driving
never ran in the stands to fight fans
no drugs

Nalod just mentioned that he "partied" a lot last year....ummm, ok....my question is, where did you all READ this? I think I follow the knicks pretty well and dont remember reading anything negative about this dude and I didn't follow Denver closely enough to care

Sorry, I read a quote from him that he went out a lot last year during the season.

And he did kill his best friend. He blow past a bunch of cars and thru a stop sign. It was not intentional but being an idiot has its consequences. Im sure its all cool and all with fans but someone out there lost a son, a brother, a friend, etc cuz JR was having a good time. Neither was wearing a seatbelt which could haved his life.

He has continued to drive on suspended license. Its pretty silly to get aressted on a scooter for not having a liscense, but its disregard for the rules.

YOu want to know whey he has not gotten his money yet? Why not do a little reading of your own.

Its not a question of abilitym, its a question of charactor when you pay someone millions of dollars a year, guaranteed.

A question of charactor he only has been able to answer for two months this season. Thats for A GM to figure if its a good investment or not. Not a question of talent.

Fans can love him but we don't have to pay him.
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12/31/2012  1:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/31/2012  2:01 PM
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Nalod wrote:A question of charactor he only has been able to answer for two months this season. Thats for A GM to figure if its a good investment or not. Not a question of talent.

Fans can love him but we don't have to pay him.

Fans can love him AND they don't hafta pay him.

It's Dolan's money.

Nalod - JR Smith must have done something right during the offseason to get off to this wonderful start. Unless you believe that some dudes pop from the womb shooting jumpers, it requires hard work to that productive, that tenacious on defense and that durable. Two months is selling his offseason training regimen awfully cheap. I would submit that Mr Smith, responding to a "get your sh#t together" memo from Mike Woodson was getting busy in the gym in July and August.

Two months? Do you really think last seasons exit interview with Woodson was a polite, "nice job, see you in October.."

OR did it go something like this:

"I expect much more from you JR. You are too gifted to not maximize your ability. Show me something. Show your doubters something. You have the opportunity to play on the world's brightest stage in front of your friends and family. How cool is that? One more thing, there are no guarantees. If you want minutes next season, you better come correct and ready to earn them from day one. I will be checking with you from time to time. Make me proud. Make yourself proud."

The latter, way back in May, may have been more accurate. But what do I know?

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12/31/2012  7:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/31/2012  7:25 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:Not sure about $50 mill total, but I can see an annual $8-$10 million salary as realistic.

8-10 over 5 years, that's 40-50, you know he's gonna get 5 years because the guy is 26, this is it for him, this is gonna be his BIG contract for his career, you can bet your ass that he's gonna push hard for big money that's why he's playing his mind out right now, he knows what's up, and you can also bet your ass and anyone else's ass that he's going to the highest bidder I don't care if it's the frickin' Cavaliers, and then I predict he will fall back to earth and start taking pictures of big booty hoes again,

BECAUSE RIDDLE ME THIS:

JR displays the tell-tale sign of a HOT FLASH IN THE PAN player, meaning that yea, he'll drop mad buckets for you this year, but he will NEVER AGAIN drop mad buckets like this in his career,

The tell-tale sign of a guy that is a loafer in all other years except The Big Contract Year:

He is peaking in the contract year and displaying all the talents we always knew he had, but he did not want to show, because he only shows up for The Big Contract Year.

Guys like that always fall off once the ink is dry on the big fat paycheck, "buhleedat".

So, my good friends, ENJOY this season but do not fool your minds into thinking that JR will play good for us next year if he is here,

ENJOY THE RIDE, BUT DON'T GET A ONE WAY TICKET, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A RETURN FLIGHT!

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12/31/2012  7:48 PM
Smith is not 26 he's 27 and will be 28 when the first year of his new deal starts. He's not getting $50mil and he can't get a 5yr deal
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12/31/2012  8:03 PM
Nalod wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:UK members continue to bring up JR Smith troublesome past, yet, I can't recall anything terrible that he has done.

He has never shot himself in a nightclub
Never accidentally killed anyone
no baby momma drama
no drunk driving
never ran in the stands to fight fans
no drugs

Nalod just mentioned that he "partied" a lot last year....ummm, ok....my question is, where did you all READ this? I think I follow the knicks pretty well and dont remember reading anything negative about this dude and I didn't follow Denver closely enough to care

Sorry, I read a quote from him that he went out a lot last year during the season.

And he did kill his best friend. He blow past a bunch of cars and thru a stop sign. It was not intentional but being an idiot has its consequences. Im sure its all cool and all with fans but someone out there lost a son, a brother, a friend, etc cuz JR was having a good time. Neither was wearing a seatbelt which could haved his life.

He has continued to drive on suspended license. Its pretty silly to get aressted on a scooter for not having a liscense, but its disregard for the rules.

YOu want to know whey he has not gotten his money yet? Why not do a little reading of your own.

Its not a question of abilitym, its a question of charactor when you pay someone millions of dollars a year, guaranteed.

A question of charactor he only has been able to answer for two months this season. Thats for A GM to figure if its a good investment or not. Not a question of talent.

Fans can love him but we don't have to pay him.

Thanks...I didn't know about the car accident. Googled it and found the old ESPN article on it. Odd that he only received 90 days jail time for it.

Also found the article on the scooter incident you mentioned a Bench warrant arrest, in Miami, for missing a court date this past season.

Thanks for the link VCoug
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1/1/2013  12:36 AM
Can we please wait to see what JR does or does not do in the playoffs before we judge him?

JR is a feast or famine player. He is now feasting and we will again see the famine. Lets hope its not in the playoffs.

I must say though that he is playing far better and smarter than I expected (though my expectations were quite low.
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mrKnickShot wrote:Can we please wait to see what JR does or does not do in the playoffs before we judge him?

JR is a feast or famine player. He is now feasting and we will again see the famine. Lets hope its not in the playoffs.

I must say though that he is playing far better and smarter than I expected (though my expectations were quite low.

I agree MKS,lets just enjoy the ride right now.
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If Smith hopefully stays with the Knicks, this is the most they can give him:


With the way he’s playing, though, Smith is going to demand a hefty contract this off-season, but the Knicks are a little handcuffed with their finances. They will not have any cap room, so it’s not like they can walk out and give him, say, a max-deal, but thanks to holding Smith’s early bird-rights, they will have some leeway.

As an early-bird, J.R. Smith will be eligible for 104.5% of the average N.B.A. salary in year one, with 7.5% raises year-over-year. Next season, the average salary will be somewhere around $5.2 million (estimation). Based on that number, the Knicks could offer J.R. Smith a four year deal worth around $24.3 million. The yearly breakdown would look something like this: year one – $5.4 million, year two – $5.8 million, year three – $6.3 million, year four – $6.8 million.

While the Knicks don’t have excess cap-room to give Smith whatever he wants, the team can put together a decent sized offer that might be enough to entice Smith to stay in New York.
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1/9/2013  6:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/9/2013  6:37 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:If Smith hopefully stays with the Knicks, this is the most they can give him:


With the way he’s playing, though, Smith is going to demand a hefty contract this off-season, but the Knicks are a little handcuffed with their finances. They will not have any cap room, so it’s not like they can walk out and give him, say, a max-deal, but thanks to holding Smith’s early bird-rights, they will have some leeway.

As an early-bird, J.R. Smith will be eligible for 104.5% of the average N.B.A. salary in year one, with 7.5% raises year-over-year. Next season, the average salary will be somewhere around $5.2 million (estimation). Based on that number, the Knicks could offer J.R. Smith a four year deal worth around $24.3 million. The yearly breakdown would look something like this: year one – $5.4 million, year two – $5.8 million, year three – $6.3 million, year four – $6.8 million.

While the Knicks don’t have excess cap-room to give Smith whatever he wants, the team can put together a decent sized offer that might be enough to entice Smith to stay in New York.


Basically what I said in this thread on page 2


3G4G wrote:Smith can be signed for 175% above previous season salary or 104.5% above the league average salary of previous season(or whatever proves to be league average salary by the time this season concludes).


Edit: Should have clarified how much other team's can offer him. I was thinking it was in a percentage range of his previous season salary which actually would be 105% of previous season or Max (30% of cap) would love official verification


We know Smith isn't playing for 175% of $2.8mil(his current salary)


We know Smith will be interested in playing for 104.5% of $5.276mil(current estimated average salary) +/- 100-300k increase for final on actual season ending "average salary". We know Smith will want the full 4yrs from us. So he can receive a contract starting at 5.5mil with 7.5% raises on each season.....


Year 1 $5.51k
Year 2 $5.92k
Year 3 $6.33k
Year 4 $6.74k


Basically a 4yr $24.5mil contract. Pretty much what his last major deal was, back in Denver.


Where are you getting the info from as in was an article written? Also to say they can't give him a Max Deal but having early bird helps has implication Smith can't get Max elsewhere because if so Max trumps any early bird hold we have with him.
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1/9/2013  6:53 PM
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:If Smith hopefully stays with the Knicks, this is the most they can give him:


With the way he’s playing, though, Smith is going to demand a hefty contract this off-season, but the Knicks are a little handcuffed with their finances. They will not have any cap room, so it’s not like they can walk out and give him, say, a max-deal, but thanks to holding Smith’s early bird-rights, they will have some leeway.

As an early-bird, J.R. Smith will be eligible for 104.5% of the average N.B.A. salary in year one, with 7.5% raises year-over-year. Next season, the average salary will be somewhere around $5.2 million (estimation). Based on that number, the Knicks could offer J.R. Smith a four year deal worth around $24.3 million. The yearly breakdown would look something like this: year one – $5.4 million, year two – $5.8 million, year three – $6.3 million, year four – $6.8 million.

While the Knicks don’t have excess cap-room to give Smith whatever he wants, the team can put together a decent sized offer that might be enough to entice Smith to stay in New York.


Basically what I said in this thread on page 2


3G4G wrote:Smith can be signed for 175% above previous season salary or 104.5% above the league average salary of previous season(or whatever proves to be league average salary by the time this season concludes).


Edit: Should have clarified how much other team's can offer him. I was thinking it was in a percentage range of his previous season salary which actually would be 105% of previous season or Max (30% of cap) would love official verification


We know Smith isn't playing for 175% of $2.8mil(his current salary)


We know Smith will be interested in playing for 104.5% of $5.276mil(current estimated average salary) +/- 100-300k increase for final on actual season ending "average salary". We know Smith will want the full 4yrs from us. So he can receive a contract starting at 5.5mil with 7.5% raises on each season.....


Year 1 $5.51k
Year 2 $5.92k
Year 3 $6.33k
Year 4 $6.74k


Basically a 4yr $24.5mil contract. Pretty much what his last major deal was, back in Denver.


Where are you getting the info from as in was an article written? Also to say they can't give him a Max Deal but having early bird helps has implication Smith can't get Max elsewhere because if so Max trumps any early bird hold we have with him.


Unless something staggering happens--a team will offer JR something materially larger than what the Knicks can pay him. Whether it be 8-9- or even 10mm plus(no way max contract) when JR sits down and say 25 or 45--well its an easy answer. It would be a powerful blow to this team but we'd just have to compensate with use of draft pick(possibly for trade) MLE etc...for example Cleveland which has 25-30mm to spend and need a starting SG.

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1/9/2013  7:03 PM
Smith takes 15 shots a game and hits 41.9% of them. That's bad. I don't understand what people find so impressive. It really wouldn't be hard to replace that. He's above average in other areas (rebounding, defense) but not some kind of irreplaceable star.
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Bonn1997 wrote:Smith takes 15 shots a game and hits 41.9% of them. That's bad. I don't understand what people find so impressive. It really wouldn't be hard to replace that. He's above average in other areas (rebounding, defense) but not some kind of irreplaceable star.

He can create a shot when no one else can.

Yeah I know the myth of shot creation.

I don't like him but I see where he can have real value.
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