Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:Pass the ball to the open man, don't take first open shot, use the shot clock, 33%from 3 =50%from two, PnR is the oldest play in the book

THANK YOU MDA, YOUR GREATNESS STILL RUBS OFF ON US

Teflon Pringles...forever untouchable to some fans for some reason. I still don't understand the loyalty and praise he gets for crashing and burning our beloved franchise and openly admitting New York was a mistake.

He farted in your face, and still some people can't get enough of his sharts.

MDA crashed and burned the Knicks? I'm pretty sure that was Dolan, Isiah, and Layden who did that. He didn't do a great job while he was here but he clearly had a very positive effect on Woodson and Felton.

If you look at the player stats, it was really just Melo who couldn't play under MDA. All the other guys were around or above their career #s.

Amare's mediocre career with the Knicks sans his MVP 8 game 30 pt scoring streak would like to have a word with you.

Come on, you're better than that. It was clear that a healthy Amare could thrive under MDA and the key factor was his health. It's not like his #s turned around as soon as MDA left. Melo is the only guy that happened to.

Amare didn't even thrive that much when it was the Linsanity show and Melo was out, because Chandler was getting the lobs. The numbers they do not lie.

So Amare gets a pass for his health??? Very questionable coming from a sabremetrician like yourself.

Alot of guys are injury prone, gimps, china dolls whatever...being made of glass is not a crime, it is what it is.

Grant Hill could've been one of, if not for Lebron, the greatest Point Forwards in history. Now he's known as the guy with glass ankles that somehow got crazy glued by the Phoenix medical staff.

Anfernee Hardaway could've been the greatest big point guard next to Magic...didn't end up the way, too bad.

It's part of the game Bonn, sucks, but Amare is what he is. Gimp status yes. Can he resurrect into a productive player ala Larry Johnson with the Knicks, sure can.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:Pass the ball to the open man, don't take first open shot, use the shot clock, 33%from 3 =50%from two, PnR is the oldest play in the book

THANK YOU MDA, YOUR GREATNESS STILL RUBS OFF ON US

Teflon Pringles...forever untouchable to some fans for some reason. I still don't understand the loyalty and praise he gets for crashing and burning our beloved franchise and openly admitting New York was a mistake.

He farted in your face, and still some people can't get enough of his sharts.

MDA crashed and burned the Knicks? I'm pretty sure that was Dolan, Isiah, and Layden who did that. He didn't do a great job while he was here but he clearly had a very positive effect on Woodson and Felton.

If you look at the player stats, it was really just Melo who couldn't play under MDA. All the other guys were around or above their career #s.

Amare's mediocre career with the Knicks sans his MVP 8 game 30 pt scoring streak would like to have a word with you.

Come on, you're better than that. It was clear that a healthy Amare could thrive under MDA and the key factor was his health. It's not like his #s turned around as soon as MDA left. Melo is the only guy that happened to.

Amare didn't even thrive that much when it was the Linsanity show and Melo was out, because Chandler was getting the lobs. The numbers they do not lie.

So Amare gets a pass for his health??? Very questionable coming from a sabremetrician like yourself.

Alot of guys are injury prone, gimps, china dolls whatever...being made of glass is not a crime, it is what it is.

Grant Hill could've been one of, if not for Lebron, the greatest Point Forwards in history. Now he's known as the guy with glass ankles that somehow got crazy glued by the Phoenix medical staff.

Anfernee Hardaway could've been the greatest big point guard next to Magic...didn't end up the way, too bad.

It's part of the game Bonn, sucks, but Amare is what he is. Gimp status yes. Can he resurrect into a productive player ala Larry Johnson with the Knicks, sure can.

What games are you talking about? As far as I can tell Amare and Lin played together without Melo only 4 times.

VCoug wrote:What I can't believe is that we're never allowed to actually discuss the Knicks, or anything tangentially related to them, without the purity police coming out and derailing everything.

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:What I can't believe is that we're never allowed to actually discuss the Knicks, or anything tangentially related to them, without the purity police coming out and derailing everything.

One guy is winning at a 76% rate since taking over. The other guy lost at an incredible rate and was 4 games under .500 during the years he coached guys deserving of his time. Bringing up biggest loser really doesn't make sense when the Knicks are finally winning and free from his losing ways.

And the fact that this is the most talented team we've had over the last 5 years has nothing to do with anything.

I would say it did if he didn't go 18 and 6 to close the season last year with a plethora of injuries and obstacles.

Under MDA we never overachieved..in fact we had a culture of underachieving. It seems no matter who we put on the court for Woodson he finds a way to motivate his team to be competitive.

and you bring up his job in Atlanta. He did a incredible job in Atlanta with what he had. If MDA had that roster they wouldn't even sniff the playoffs but Woodson had that team winning 50 games.

■And is the teamwide lack of speed and short bench suitable for D’Antoni’s madcap offense? And what about D’Antoni’s bragging in an NBA-sponsored clinic last summer that he wants nothing to do with big men who are only effective in the pivot? Just wondering if Dwight Howard got that piece of news

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

VCoug wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:Pass the ball to the open man, don't take first open shot, use the shot clock, 33%from 3 =50%from two, PnR is the oldest play in the book

THANK YOU MDA, YOUR GREATNESS STILL RUBS OFF ON US

Teflon Pringles...forever untouchable to some fans for some reason. I still don't understand the loyalty and praise he gets for crashing and burning our beloved franchise and openly admitting New York was a mistake.

He farted in your face, and still some people can't get enough of his sharts.

MDA crashed and burned the Knicks? I'm pretty sure that was Dolan, Isiah, and Layden who did that. He didn't do a great job while he was here but he clearly had a very positive effect on Woodson and Felton.

If you look at the player stats, it was really just Melo who couldn't play under MDA. All the other guys were around or above their career #s.

Amare's mediocre career with the Knicks sans his MVP 8 game 30 pt scoring streak would like to have a word with you.

Come on, you're better than that. It was clear that a healthy Amare could thrive under MDA and the key factor was his health. It's not like his #s turned around as soon as MDA left. Melo is the only guy that happened to.

Amare didn't even thrive that much when it was the Linsanity show and Melo was out, because Chandler was getting the lobs. The numbers they do not lie.

So Amare gets a pass for his health??? Very questionable coming from a sabremetrician like yourself.

Alot of guys are injury prone, gimps, china dolls whatever...being made of glass is not a crime, it is what it is.

Grant Hill could've been one of, if not for Lebron, the greatest Point Forwards in history. Now he's known as the guy with glass ankles that somehow got crazy glued by the Phoenix medical staff.

Anfernee Hardaway could've been the greatest big point guard next to Magic...didn't end up the way, too bad.

It's part of the game Bonn, sucks, but Amare is what he is. Gimp status yes. Can he resurrect into a productive player ala Larry Johnson with the Knicks, sure can.

What games are you talking about? As far as I can tell Amare and Lin played together without Melo only 4 times.

What I'm trying to say is basically the Knicks historically sucked with Amare on the floor:

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/tag/amare-stoudemire/

Truth blows I know, but I'm confident in Woody applying his head tap and "Boy" skills to Amare as 6th man.

I said "when healthy," which basically refers only to the first 60 or so games of the 2010-11 season. Those 60 games should be a large enough sample to show that Amare could play well as a Knick under MDA (the subject of discussion here). Ever since then, his body has been a piece of garbage.

Agreed. I'm hoping he can put up some sort of decent numbers and play enough games, so at least we can trade his expiring contract in year 3.

nykshaknbake wrote:I don't see how this thread title makes sense. MDA had us jacking contested 3s' early in possesion or passing the ball around the perimeter and jacking a contested 3. Very little penetration or thought into it. This is a different method entirely. It's like sayiong because the goal is to get the ball in the hoop and that the high school coach and Phil Jackson all subscribe to that plan they are using the same playbook.

Yet another one who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. Woody himself said that he was going to use some of MDA's stuff and since STAT has been hurt he's had to rely more on those MDA sets. Of course they'll look different when you have Felton, Kidd and Prigs running the plays. You have more experienced, patient PG's and players overall they won't take bad shots or force it. This roster is vastly improved over last year!!!

Knicks before the Melo trade were #5 in the league in Offensive efficiency!!! They ended the year at #7 after the trade and with all the adjusting the team had to do. That wasn't about throwing up shots willy nilly. Last year with basically no PG this team still wasn't just throwing up shots every game. You know darn well that the problem for much of the year was a lack of a PG and that STAT and Melo weren't in the best of shape nor was their either of them sharp skills wise. Add in the fact that Melo decided to resist what he was being asked to do and you have a mess. Fields, TD, Bibby, Baron, Jared and Walker is FAR worse than what we have now. The sets are the same with the same goal and options to the plays, but the execution is better.

As I said before. Woody realized after last year that MDA's plays worked to help the role players to excel. Melo doesn't need that help, but the rest of the team needed that system to excel. Felton, Tyson, Brewer and Novack THRIVE in this system. It simplifies the game for them and creates open shots. They don't have to work as hard to get their offense. All of you that claim to know BB should know this is true.

nixluva wrote:BLAH BLAH BLAH! I read the same ish from you guys for years. NOTHING to really back up what you're saying at all. Just jokes and circular logic to try and confuse the issue. The truth is that as i've shown in writing in the past Woody himself stated that he was going to continue to use MDA's stuff. The Knicks are CLEARLY running the same plays but with BETTER PLAYERS!!! The reasons Woody is using the plays is because he realizes that they were successful in helping the role players on the team excel. As i've said Melo doesn't need the system cuz he can create his own shot, but it does help him cuz it takes the pressure off of him as well as the focus of the defense on him. Felton clearly excelled under MDA's system and he knew he'd be able to pick right up again since he knew it already.

The Knicks lead the league in 3pt attempts and they run a high % of PnR and use the spread floor sets that are pure MDA. If you guys had any evidence that what i'm saying is wrong you'd present it but you don't. Rather than always looking to bash me for pointing out the facts you should perhaps finally acknowledge that MDA was right about what he was trying to get the team to do offensively. This year the difference is we have more talent. More guys that can knock down a 3 and VASTLY superior PG play. The idea that somehow moving the ball to the open man wasn't the KEY part of MDA's offense is ridiculous. When you have role players that aren't great at creating their own shot MDA's offense has proven to be HIGHLY effective. Woody has built on top of that basic offensive concept and added to it. No different than Gentry did in PHX, Pop did in San Antonio, Spoelstra in Miami. They all have run variations of MDA's offense. It's not a diss it's a statement of FACT!

Depth we have now.

18-6 was created using the partial elements of MDA. Olympic metal teams destroyed the world because of Talent. Who did coach K call to organize his offense?

MDA has valid concepts that need the talent to run it.

THe joyful noise created by his initial struggle in LA in a small sample confirms the ignorance displayed by the Homers who so sing this tune are looking for some elevation of the knicks by the failure of others.

14-4 speaks loud and clear on its own.

Given our humble experience the last 11 years I'd expect many to be a bit more knowledgable about things.

somehow 14 and 4 makes homers smarter. Go figure.