OGkush121 wrote:sort of new here, so can't comment that much on what goes on here, but this season so far it seems that when the Knicks win it's always deemed as a "team effort", which is fine. But what I don't get is then how come are losses basicaly "Melo's fault" with some of you. (granted some people did mention Chandler and Felton, but still).

OGkush121 wrote:sort of new here, so can't comment that much on what goes on here, but this season so far it seems that when the Knicks win it's always deemed as a "team effort", which is fine. But what I don't get is then how come are losses basicaly "Melo's fault" with some of you. (granted some people did mention Chandler and Felton, but still).

because there are 1 or 2 unemployed and/or mentally challenged fellas on this board who are extremely upset about Melo and what he did to MDA, Stat, Gallo and Lin ... or ... they are just miserable unhappy people.

So, they have dedicated themselves to letting us poor souls know this at every/any given second until we are to nauseous to respond to these agenda driven grossly repetitive posts.

So, what you need to do is create a pro Melo thread, these guys and their keen animistic senses will smell that this was created and spend much of their time in there. Therefore, it will keep them away from fuking up all the other threads.

mrKnickShot wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:sort of new here, so can't comment that much on what goes on here, but this season so far it seems that when the Knicks win it's always deemed as a "team effort", which is fine. But what I don't get is then how come are losses basicaly "Melo's fault" with some of you. (granted some people did mention Chandler and Felton, but still).

because there are 1 or 2 unemployed and/or mentally challenged fellas on this board who are extremely upset about Melo and what he did to MDA, Stat, Gallo and Lin ... or ... they are just miserable unhappy people.

So, they have dedicated themselves to letting us poor souls know this at every/any given second until we are to nauseous to respond to these agenda driven grossly repetitive posts.

So, what you need to do is create a pro Melo thread, these guys and their keen animistic senses will smell that this was created and spend much of their time in there. Therefore, it will keep them away from fuking up all the other threads.

What could Melo have possibly done to Amare?

mrKnickShot wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:sort of new here, so can't comment that much on what goes on here, but this season so far it seems that when the Knicks win it's always deemed as a "team effort", which is fine. But what I don't get is then how come are losses basicaly "Melo's fault" with some of you. (granted some people did mention Chandler and Felton, but still).

because there are 1 or 2 unemployed and/or mentally challenged fellas on this board who are extremely upset about Melo and what he did to MDA, Stat, Gallo and Lin ... or ... they are just miserable unhappy people.

So, they have dedicated themselves to letting us poor souls know this at every/any given second until we are to nauseous to respond to these agenda driven grossly repetitive posts.

So, what you need to do is create a pro Melo thread, these guys and their keen animistic senses will smell that this was created and spend much of their time in there. Therefore, it will keep them away from fuking up all the other threads.

What could Melo have possibly done to Amare?

supposedly pushing him out of the 1 spot / primary option.

TeamBall wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:sort of new here, so can't comment that much on what goes on here, but this season so far it seems that when the Knicks win it's always deemed as a "team effort", which is fine. But what I don't get is then how come are losses basicaly "Melo's fault" with some of you. (granted some people did mention Chandler and Felton, but still).

because there are 1 or 2 unemployed and/or mentally challenged fellas on this board who are extremely upset about Melo and what he did to MDA, Stat, Gallo and Lin ... or ... they are just miserable unhappy people.

So, they have dedicated themselves to letting us poor souls know this at every/any given second until we are to nauseous to respond to these agenda driven grossly repetitive posts.

So, what you need to do is create a pro Melo thread, these guys and their keen animistic senses will smell that this was created and spend much of their time in there. Therefore, it will keep them away from fuking up all the other threads.

What could Melo have possibly done to Amare?

supposedly pushing him out of the 1 spot / primary option.

Wow....I really hope thats not why some people hate him

This seems a bit paranoid. I think there's only one poster on this board who actually hates Melo.

tkf wrote:This seems a bit paranoid. I think there's only one poster on this board who actually hates Melo.

actually about 3

Bonn- Hate may have been a strong word in relation to this forum but I know people in real life who actually do claim to hate Carmelo for reasons that are a bit ridiculous.

Tkf - You've been pretty consistent with saying that you "just dont like him" or dont like his game. You're not referring to yourself as one of those who hate him do you?

mrKnickShot wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:This seems a bit paranoid. I think there's only one poster on this board who actually hates Melo.

actually about 3

You're not referring to yourself as one of those who hate him do you?

HA!

The primary hater himself!!

He protects Melo hate as Nixluva protecteds MDA

Your Welcome.

i have been reading tkf's posts for several years and he is one of the most insightful and helpful posters i have encountered.

so when a poster who has provided helpful insights in all other basketball matters starts dissecting a particular player's game and the assessment is not favorable and in essence contradicts your opinion... you feel threatened. it's not just the player but a philosophy that is at stake.

i never liked his game and i certainly never wanted him as a knick except maybe in a free agency/cash only scenario. that said, he's here and he is the face of the franchise-- and as the face of the franchise he is going to come under scrutiny and his game picked apart.

anything short of a title by next season and the trade cannot be considered anything more than epic fail. on the one hand you guys wanted dolan to go all-in and on the other the knicks were not really in a position to go all in. again this speaks to differing philosophies on how to build a winner.

my opinion is that this is no way to build a winner. why is that point of view so hard to accept?

dk7th wrote:only reason why some of you like to gang up on tkf is not because you find him annoying but because you fear that his assessment of carmelo anthony has more than just a grain of truth.

i have been reading tkf's posts for several years and he is one of the most insightful and helpful posters i have encountered.

so when a poster who has provided helpful insights in all other basketball matters starts dissecting a particular player's game and the assessment is not favorable and in essence contradicts your opinion... you feel threatened. it's not just the player but a philosophy that is at stake.

i never liked his game and i certainly never wanted him as a knick except maybe in a free agency/cash only scenario. that said, he's here and he is the face of the franchise-- and as the face of the franchise he is going to come under scrutiny and his game picked apart.

anything short of a title by next season and the trade cannot be considered anything more than epic fail. on the one hand you guys wanted dolan to go all-in and on the other the knicks were not really in a position to go all in. again this speaks to differing philosophies on how to build a winner.

my opinion is that this is no way to build a winner. why is that point of view so hard to accept?

No title epic failure? Very CUTE! Uh .... when was the last time this franchise won a title and are you saying that with the mediocre team we had prior to the trade, we would have won a title? Or, that we were heading in that direction?

This is called irresponsible posting. I respect your insight but this is complete partisanship.

I don't love a much of Melo's game but I try to keep an eye on the flip side too. And actually, I said that I would not judge the trade until the 3 year point and I won't but I'll tell you that it is looking better and better! Do you actually think they are/should compete for a title this year? If yes, then are you saying that the knicks made all the right moves putting together a contending team? I assume not. You obviously believe that the knicks might win a playoff series so now we/you need to up the expectation so that you can hang on to the thought/opinion that everything that Melo does or accomplishes should be viewed as a failure.

Also, TKF. Its not about his posting, agenda and/or opinions. They are not original on the UK or anywhere else. People should feel free to express any opinion but where does habitual posting stop? How about posting the same opinion every 4-5 seconds? Would that be offensive to you? Or, does it depends on the context of what was being posted every 4-5 seconds?

My expectation is for the knicks to win a playoff series. Anything less - I would consider a failure.

dk7th wrote:
you know how you hear that new york basketball fans are the smartest and all that stuff? you hear it from players, coaches, analysts and so on. i am not sure how much we can believe these things, but there is one thing that many knick fans can safely assume:

WE ARE SMARTER THAN JAMES DOLAN AND ARE MORE INTERESTED IN WINNING THAN DOLAN. THEREFORE ANY MOVE THAT DOLAN IS BEHIND IS THE WRONG MOVE.

melo and dolan are attached at the hip ideologically. and because i believe the two of them were basically in cahoots to the diminishment of those around them i feel obliged to hold melo responsible.

is it unfair to credit the team when it wins and blame melo when they lose? on the face of it no it is not. but then if he is not playing genuine team ball-- something he has not been known to do and has led to failure-- whether we win or lose he deserves criticism.

take a look at the last two games: in both cases he is getting his and the only difference is the quality of the opponent. when it comes to a good quality opponent then getting his is not going to lead to victory.

and dolan is EXCACTLY the same: he may be getting his too, but it is not going to lead to victory.

To your last point though, there have already been games this season where Anthony has not shot well but has done other things to help the team win (some appear on the stat sheet and some do not). For me, I dont see it as whether he is capable of doing it rather I think its whether hes capable of keeping it up

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:only reason why some of you like to gang up on tkf is not because you find him annoying but because you fear that his assessment of carmelo anthony has more than just a grain of truth.

i have been reading tkf's posts for several years and he is one of the most insightful and helpful posters i have encountered.

so when a poster who has provided helpful insights in all other basketball matters starts dissecting a particular player's game and the assessment is not favorable and in essence contradicts your opinion... you feel threatened. it's not just the player but a philosophy that is at stake.

i never liked his game and i certainly never wanted him as a knick except maybe in a free agency/cash only scenario. that said, he's here and he is the face of the franchise-- and as the face of the franchise he is going to come under scrutiny and his game picked apart.

anything short of a title by next season and the trade cannot be considered anything more than epic fail. on the one hand you guys wanted dolan to go all-in and on the other the knicks were not really in a position to go all in. again this speaks to differing philosophies on how to build a winner.

my opinion is that this is no way to build a winner. why is that point of view so hard to accept?

No title epic failure? Very CUTE! Uh .... when was the last time this franchise won a title and are you saying that with the mediocre team we had prior to the trade, we would have won a title? Or, that we were heading in that direction?

This is called irresponsible posting. I respect your insight but this is complete partisanship.

I don't love a much of Melo's game but I try to keep an eye on the flip side too. And actually, I said that I would not judge the trade until the 3 year point and I won't but I'll tell you that it is looking better and better! Do you actually think they are/should compete for a title this year? If yes, then are you saying that the knicks made all the right moves putting together a contending team? I assume not. You obviously believe that the knicks might win a playoff series so now we/you need to up the expectation so that you can hang on to the thought/opinion that everything that Melo does or accomplishes should be viewed as a failure.

Also, TKF. Its not about his posting, agenda and/or opinions. They are not original on the UK or anywhere else. People should feel free to express any opinion but where does habitual posting stop? How about posting the same opinion every 4-5 seconds? Would that be offensive to you? Or, does it depends on the context of what was being posted every 4-5 seconds?

My expectation is for the knicks to win a playoff series. Anything less - I would consider a failure.

we were better than mediocre at 28-26 and had a plan in place to get better. i believe at 28-26 we were a 6th seed-- could be wrong about that-- and felton was on a two-year very reasonable contract. with d'antoni and stoudemire here the next move was an upgrade at point guard.

and because lebron did what he did i feel that dolan went on tilt and overreacted-- going for piling up talent with absolutely no plan in place. it was an emotional move not a rational one. now did he make the move with the intention of winning a title or didn't he? and if he didn't then what are we talking about

i am surprised your standard for success is so low.

my point is that for all the upheaval the trade has caused the knicks HAD BETTER make it to the ecf in order to justify the trade since the trade was in fact an all-in move... win now or else.

28-26 is as mediocre as it gets.

If the future was so promising, then why are Gallinari, Chandler, and Mozgov all major disappointments?