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CrushAlot wrote:Gallo is 3-15 tonight, 1-7 from 3.

well lets update that... he finished 9-22 from the field.. not great, but finished with 22/7 and scored 5 points in the last 36 seconds to seal his team win.. funny thing.. that was the nuggs 4th win in a row..... team is coming on and faried is playing like a beast... that team is fun to watch and they are only going to get better...

Faried is a stud.

unbelievable..... he had like 18/16 last night, 18/17 the night before.. something in that area.. he is a stud.... if they can get more consistency out of mcgee, that front line is going to be nice.. gallo is also rebounding well, he is avg, right at 7 per game..... and I think he can do even better than that...

I am still pissed we did not draft him.

I like Faried, but I like Shumpert as well.

Alot of teams passed on him because they felt he'd be too small/light to play up front.

He's definitely proving people wrong though.

I like shumpert as well, my hopes in the near future was for a shumpert/lin backcourt.. not sure if shump can reach his full potential playing with carmelo, so I am hoping carmelo opts out or is gone somehow by time shump starts coming into his own.. right now shump has elite defense potential.... faried would have been good for us as an insurance policy for amare.. either way, I think we ended up with a good player.. faried is better right now for sure, but shump has the potential to be very good for us under the right circumstances....

What potential do you see in Shumpert that Melo would hinder?

Not gonna address Lin, I'm not high on him.

the potential to grow offensively, I think shump is somewhat of a combo guard, he is going to need to have more touches and more of a chance to control the ball and explore his offense.. we know that is not allowed in carmelo land...

If anything Shump is a two or maybe a three, he should never consider playing the point.

IQ not good enough, and you can't teach that.

shumpert is not a 3 at all.. he played PG in college so he can play minutes there, ala westbrook, I don't think westbrook is really anymore of a PG than a guy like shumpert..... shump doesn't really think like a PG all of the time, but he can handle the ball and make plays, so he can play spot minutes there, I would like to see him with the ball more, he can make plays somewhat like a mini wade.... needs that time to grow tho....

Handling the ball and making plays isn't the definition of a pg. even Blake Griffin did that prior to Chris Paul.

Shumpert would have to change his entire game offensively to even sniff Wade, and his playmaking has zero similarity.

mrKnickShot wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/shumpim01.html

Look at the advanced stats. pretty awful.

Toney Douglas made more plays than he did while he was on the floor, and only a few 5 points in front of a guy who rarely had the ball in fields.

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

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mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Gallo is 3-15 tonight, 1-7 from 3.

well lets update that... he finished 9-22 from the field.. not great, but finished with 22/7 and scored 5 points in the last 36 seconds to seal his team win.. funny thing.. that was the nuggs 4th win in a row..... team is coming on and faried is playing like a beast... that team is fun to watch and they are only going to get better...

Faried is a stud.

unbelievable..... he had like 18/16 last night, 18/17 the night before.. something in that area.. he is a stud.... if they can get more consistency out of mcgee, that front line is going to be nice.. gallo is also rebounding well, he is avg, right at 7 per game..... and I think he can do even better than that...

I am still pissed we did not draft him.

I like Faried, but I like Shumpert as well.

Alot of teams passed on him because they felt he'd be too small/light to play up front.

He's definitely proving people wrong though.

I like shumpert as well, my hopes in the near future was for a shumpert/lin backcourt.. not sure if shump can reach his full potential playing with carmelo, so I am hoping carmelo opts out or is gone somehow by time shump starts coming into his own.. right now shump has elite defense potential.... faried would have been good for us as an insurance policy for amare.. either way, I think we ended up with a good player.. faried is better right now for sure, but shump has the potential to be very good for us under the right circumstances....

What potential do you see in Shumpert that Melo would hinder?

Not gonna address Lin, I'm not high on him.

the potential to grow offensively, I think shump is somewhat of a combo guard, he is going to need to have more touches and more of a chance to control the ball and explore his offense.. we know that is not allowed in carmelo land...

If anything Shump is a two or maybe a three, he should never consider playing the point.

IQ not good enough, and you can't teach that.

shumpert is not a 3 at all.. he played PG in college so he can play minutes there, ala westbrook, I don't think westbrook is really anymore of a PG than a guy like shumpert..... shump doesn't really think like a PG all of the time, but he can handle the ball and make plays, so he can play spot minutes there, I would like to see him with the ball more, he can make plays somewhat like a mini wade.... needs that time to grow tho....

If he can't play the 3 none, he certainly should be playing the two, and for the record, Shumpert looked terrible with the ball in college.

Handling the ball and making plays isn't the definition of a pg. even Blake Griffin did that prior to Chris Paul.

Shumpert would have to change his entire game offensively to even sniff Wade, and his playmaking has zero similarity.

did you watch any of his college games? i attended a couple down there at tech, I would not say he was terrible with the ball at all... he is not a pure PG, but he can give you minutes there, and right now his offense is not refined enough to be full time SG, although I think he can get there..

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knickscity wrote:

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mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Gallo is 3-15 tonight, 1-7 from 3.

well lets update that... he finished 9-22 from the field.. not great, but finished with 22/7 and scored 5 points in the last 36 seconds to seal his team win.. funny thing.. that was the nuggs 4th win in a row..... team is coming on and faried is playing like a beast... that team is fun to watch and they are only going to get better...

Faried is a stud.

unbelievable..... he had like 18/16 last night, 18/17 the night before.. something in that area.. he is a stud.... if they can get more consistency out of mcgee, that front line is going to be nice.. gallo is also rebounding well, he is avg, right at 7 per game..... and I think he can do even better than that...

I am still pissed we did not draft him.

I like Faried, but I like Shumpert as well.

Alot of teams passed on him because they felt he'd be too small/light to play up front.

He's definitely proving people wrong though.

I like shumpert as well, my hopes in the near future was for a shumpert/lin backcourt.. not sure if shump can reach his full potential playing with carmelo, so I am hoping carmelo opts out or is gone somehow by time shump starts coming into his own.. right now shump has elite defense potential.... faried would have been good for us as an insurance policy for amare.. either way, I think we ended up with a good player.. faried is better right now for sure, but shump has the potential to be very good for us under the right circumstances....

What potential do you see in Shumpert that Melo would hinder?

Not gonna address Lin, I'm not high on him.

the potential to grow offensively, I think shump is somewhat of a combo guard, he is going to need to have more touches and more of a chance to control the ball and explore his offense.. we know that is not allowed in carmelo land...

If anything Shump is a two or maybe a three, he should never consider playing the point.

IQ not good enough, and you can't teach that.

shumpert is not a 3 at all.. he played PG in college so he can play minutes there, ala westbrook, I don't think westbrook is really anymore of a PG than a guy like shumpert..... shump doesn't really think like a PG all of the time, but he can handle the ball and make plays, so he can play spot minutes there, I would like to see him with the ball more, he can make plays somewhat like a mini wade.... needs that time to grow tho....

If he can't play the 3 none, he certainly should be playing the two, and for the record, Shumpert looked terrible with the ball in college.

Handling the ball and making plays isn't the definition of a pg. even Blake Griffin did that prior to Chris Paul.

Shumpert would have to change his entire game offensively to even sniff Wade, and his playmaking has zero similarity.

did you watch any of his college games? i attended a couple down there at tech, I would not say he was terrible with the ball at all... he is not a pure PG, but he can give you minutes there, and right now his offense is not refined enough to be full time SG, although I think he can get there..

i even recall most thought he was making a mistake forgoing his last year of college....predicting him as a second rounder at best at that time.

His defense is what's gonna carry him, hopefully he can grow to be smarter on offense.

Playmaking won't be his game.

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FoeDiddy wrote:Harden is no Melo. Him disappearing last year in finals as 3rd option says a lot. No post game like Melo, doesnt' rebound like melo and doesn't defend like the New Melo.

why is the argument" he doesn't have a post game" used so much to defend carmelo.. you guys act as if he is hakeem in the post.. carmelo really doesn't have a post game.. he post up to get the ball, it is more positioning as he turns around and faces up anyway.. harden can beat anyone off the dribble, how is a post game going to help him anymore? and how is that an advantage for carmelo over anyone?

Having a post game is a definite advantage. It causes defense to become imbalanced. being able to start your offense 10 feet away from rim vs. trying to beat a defense 25 feet away is a great advantage. Not sure what you are even saying here. harden beating someone off the dribble does nothing against a great team defense. Look at his performance last year in finals against a great team defensive team.

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

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knickscity wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Gallo is 3-15 tonight, 1-7 from 3.

well lets update that... he finished 9-22 from the field.. not great, but finished with 22/7 and scored 5 points in the last 36 seconds to seal his team win.. funny thing.. that was the nuggs 4th win in a row..... team is coming on and faried is playing like a beast... that team is fun to watch and they are only going to get better...

Faried is a stud.

unbelievable..... he had like 18/16 last night, 18/17 the night before.. something in that area.. he is a stud.... if they can get more consistency out of mcgee, that front line is going to be nice.. gallo is also rebounding well, he is avg, right at 7 per game..... and I think he can do even better than that...

I am still pissed we did not draft him.

I like Faried, but I like Shumpert as well.

Alot of teams passed on him because they felt he'd be too small/light to play up front.

He's definitely proving people wrong though.

I like shumpert as well, my hopes in the near future was for a shumpert/lin backcourt.. not sure if shump can reach his full potential playing with carmelo, so I am hoping carmelo opts out or is gone somehow by time shump starts coming into his own.. right now shump has elite defense potential.... faried would have been good for us as an insurance policy for amare.. either way, I think we ended up with a good player.. faried is better right now for sure, but shump has the potential to be very good for us under the right circumstances....

What potential do you see in Shumpert that Melo would hinder?

Not gonna address Lin, I'm not high on him.

the potential to grow offensively, I think shump is somewhat of a combo guard, he is going to need to have more touches and more of a chance to control the ball and explore his offense.. we know that is not allowed in carmelo land...

If anything Shump is a two or maybe a three, he should never consider playing the point.

IQ not good enough, and you can't teach that.

shumpert is not a 3 at all.. he played PG in college so he can play minutes there, ala westbrook, I don't think westbrook is really anymore of a PG than a guy like shumpert..... shump doesn't really think like a PG all of the time, but he can handle the ball and make plays, so he can play spot minutes there, I would like to see him with the ball more, he can make plays somewhat like a mini wade.... needs that time to grow tho....

If he can't play the 3 none, he certainly should be playing the two, and for the record, Shumpert looked terrible with the ball in college.

Handling the ball and making plays isn't the definition of a pg. even Blake Griffin did that prior to Chris Paul.

Shumpert would have to change his entire game offensively to even sniff Wade, and his playmaking has zero similarity.

did you watch any of his college games? i attended a couple down there at tech, I would not say he was terrible with the ball at all... he is not a pure PG, but he can give you minutes there, and right now his offense is not refined enough to be full time SG, although I think he can get there..

I actually did watch a few, and i wasn't impressed with him having the ball at all.

i even recall most thought he was making a mistake forgoing his last year of college....predicting him as a second rounder at best at that time.

His defense is what's gonna carry him, hopefully he can grow to be smarter on offense.

Playmaking won't be his game.

I think play making can and will be a part of his game, what shump has going for him is size and ability to handle the ball, plus some offensive skill, I think the opportunity will be there for him to be a playmaker when the chance comes for him.. it may be down the road with the knicks or knowing dolan, another team...

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FoeDiddy wrote:Harden is no Melo. Him disappearing last year in finals as 3rd option says a lot. No post game like Melo, doesnt' rebound like melo and doesn't defend like the New Melo.

why is the argument" he doesn't have a post game" used so much to defend carmelo.. you guys act as if he is hakeem in the post.. carmelo really doesn't have a post game.. he post up to get the ball, it is more positioning as he turns around and faces up anyway.. harden can beat anyone off the dribble, how is a post game going to help him anymore? and how is that an advantage for carmelo over anyone?

Having a post game is a definite advantage. It causes defense to become imbalanced. being able to start your offense 10 feet away from rim vs. trying to beat a defense 25 feet away is a great advantage. Not sure what you are even saying here. harden beating someone off the dribble does nothing against a great team defense. Look at his performance last year in finals against a great team defensive team.

you can do the same thing without a post game.. you can move without the ball, like durant does.. having a post game allows the defense to set and guard you more effectively.. unless you are shaq of course.... but moving without the ball puts even more stress on a defense.. again, carmelo really doesn't have a "post game", and I think it is being hyped up way to much to give him some advantage over other players he clearly doesn't have.... it hasn't made him a better player or scorer than durant, wade, kobe, lebron or dirk, and according to most of you none of them have a post game. so again, I don't see the point in bringing that up constantly...

you can keep pointing out hardens finals vs the heat, but the spurs were not chopped liver and he did well.. harden has the great ability to beat guys off the dribble and he can play well off the ball... to say you need a post game to do well vs the heat is absolutely ridiculous...

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FoeDiddy wrote:

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FoeDiddy wrote:Harden is no Melo. Him disappearing last year in finals as 3rd option says a lot. No post game like Melo, doesnt' rebound like melo and doesn't defend like the New Melo.

why is the argument" he doesn't have a post game" used so much to defend carmelo.. you guys act as if he is hakeem in the post.. carmelo really doesn't have a post game.. he post up to get the ball, it is more positioning as he turns around and faces up anyway.. harden can beat anyone off the dribble, how is a post game going to help him anymore? and how is that an advantage for carmelo over anyone?

Having a post game is a definite advantage. It causes defense to become imbalanced. being able to start your offense 10 feet away from rim vs. trying to beat a defense 25 feet away is a great advantage. Not sure what you are even saying here. harden beating someone off the dribble does nothing against a great team defense. Look at his performance last year in finals against a great team defensive team.

you can do the same thing without a post game.. you can move without the ball, like durant does.. having a post game allows the defense to set and guard you more effectively.. unless you are shaq of course.... but moving without the ball puts even more stress on a defense.. again, carmelo really doesn't have a "post game", and I think it is being hyped up way to much to give him some advantage over other players he clearly doesn't have.... it hasn't made him a better player or scorer than durant, wade, kobe, lebron or dirk, and according to most of you none of them have a post game. so again, I don't see the point in bringing that up constantly...

you can keep pointing out hardens finals vs the heat, but the spurs were not chopped liver and he did well.. harden has the great ability to beat guys off the dribble and he can play well off the ball... to say you need a post game to do well vs the heat is absolutely ridiculous...

And the fact he can make plays out the post made the Heat virtually unbeatable.

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tkf wrote:I am somewhat high on shumpert, one of the few hopes I have with this team is the development of shumpert.. he is one of the few two way players we have had in years...he needs to work on his shot and finishing at the rim consistently. I have seen him make strong moves and not complete the play, and for a guy with his size and athleticism he should be finishing like wade in the paint...

He's not smart like Wade.

Wade doesn't attack the rim in traffic nearly as much as Shumpert does.

I like Shumpert, but not because of anything on the offensive end.

I'd take a "Tony Allen" growth out of him and be very happy.

A few smart shots, and elite defense....and please stop handling the rock.

wade does attack the rim a lot, I dissagree there..

toney Allen was on his way to becoming a nice player, I liked him a lot , especially before injury..

I do think shumpert has more offensive ability than allen, which is why I like his potential a lot more..

I said " in traffic".

But nothing supports Shumpert has the game you hope for, which is why I'd be happy is he can at the least become a guy like Allen who also had an acl tear.

well being just a second year player, there isn't much data, but the fact that he has played PG, SG, and did so with some level of success gives me hope that he can build upon those offensive skills, he can score the ball, he has had some nice offensive games last year, he can handle the ball and he can make plays.. not sure what more evidence you need..

I like tony allen, but he never really was a scorer, his career avg is 7ppg.. shump is already at 10 after one year again, just one year, but I think anyone watching both can see that shumpert has a more diverse offensive skill set, especially since he spent a lot of time in collge at the PG spot..

PPG is crucial for a role player....they have to have value on both ends, allen has that even with his 7 points.

mrKnickShot wrote:Really good synopsis on Shumpert

http://knickerblogger.net/2012-report-card-iman-shumpert/

Yep, I've been saying it for a while.....

He needs to stick to defense.

knickscity wrote:

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knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:I am somewhat high on shumpert, one of the few hopes I have with this team is the development of shumpert.. he is one of the few two way players we have had in years...he needs to work on his shot and finishing at the rim consistently. I have seen him make strong moves and not complete the play, and for a guy with his size and athleticism he should be finishing like wade in the paint...

He's not smart like Wade.

Wade doesn't attack the rim in traffic nearly as much as Shumpert does.

I like Shumpert, but not because of anything on the offensive end.

I'd take a "Tony Allen" growth out of him and be very happy.

A few smart shots, and elite defense....and please stop handling the rock.

wade does attack the rim a lot, I dissagree there..

toney Allen was on his way to becoming a nice player, I liked him a lot , especially before injury..

I do think shumpert has more offensive ability than allen, which is why I like his potential a lot more..

I said " in traffic".

But nothing supports Shumpert has the game you hope for, which is why I'd be happy is he can at the least become a guy like Allen who also had an acl tear.

well being just a second year player, there isn't much data, but the fact that he has played PG, SG, and did so with some level of success gives me hope that he can build upon those offensive skills, he can score the ball, he has had some nice offensive games last year, he can handle the ball and he can make plays.. not sure what more evidence you need..

I like tony allen, but he never really was a scorer, his career avg is 7ppg.. shump is already at 10 after one year again, just one year, but I think anyone watching both can see that shumpert has a more diverse offensive skill set, especially since he spent a lot of time in collge at the PG spot..

Allen is a career 48% shooter, he takes smart shots, Shumpert will never reach that mark, until he takes smart shots.

PPG is crucial for a role player....they have to have value on both ends, allen has that even with his 7 points.

allen's 48% is like brewers 50% shooting, I would not say either is a better offensive player than monta ellis who shoots around 44%... allen is limited... again, he doesn't not have the offensive diversity that shumpert has.. two different players bro..