Author | Thread |
AUTOADVERT |
arkrud
Posts: 32217 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 8/31/2005 Member: #995 USA |
![]() My vote goes to Gary Johnson.
Just like the man and what he done. Of course he will get his 1 to 3% but I am so fedup with Dems and Reps self-serving that cannot vote for any of them. http://2012.libertarian-party.org/Johnson/ "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
|
nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
![]() arkrud wrote:My vote goes to Gary Johnson. Johnson has some very salient points, but COME ON arkrud! This guy can't be president and much of what he's calling for is just not possible with the entrenched big money entities that ALL politicians have to pay some allegiance to. This system will always be beholden to some degree to the powerful interests. The entire Libertarian thing is too idealist. You can live in that fantasy if you choose, but it ain't gonna happen. In the end your vote will only help to re-elect Obama :) |
BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
![]() This race is done--stick a fork in it.
RIP Crushalot😞
|
DrAlphaeus
Posts: 23751 Alba Posts: 10 Joined: 12/19/2007 Member: #1781 |
![]() nixluva wrote:This system will always be beholden to some degree to the powerful interests. The entire Libertarian thing is too idealist. You can live in that fantasy if you choose, but it ain't gonna happen. This is a self-defeating, self-fulfilling prophecy I am tired of hearing. Coke or Pepsi, that's it? No RC Cola, no root beer? American consumers may have a myriad of choices at the store, but not as voters. Is this American Idol or our democracy? This country is way too big and diverse to be properly represented by just two parties. The Electoral College makes it so only a minority of voters in a minority of states has a juice card in the presidential race. I live in New York. So isn't a vote for anyone other than Obama a "waste"? Disenchanted with Obama after voting for him in '08. Didn't think Change would come with drone strikes on US citizens. May vote for Obama on the Working Families Party line, or for Jill Stein of the Green Party. Don't think she'd necessarily be a great president, don't expect her to be elected. But her party does not accept donations from corporations and supports a constitutional amendment to limit corporate money's influence in politics. http://movetoamend.org/democracy-amendments I like many of Johnson's positions as well. There is a third party debate between Stein and Johnson on Tues evening Oct. 30 if any of you are interested in finding out more about them. http://freeandequal.org/updates/winners-of-october-23-presidential-debate/ Baba Booey 2016 — "It's Silly Season"
|
holfresh
Posts: 38679 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/14/2006 Member: #1081 |
![]() ![]() |
nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
![]() DrAlphaeus wrote:nixluva wrote:This system will always be beholden to some degree to the powerful interests. The entire Libertarian thing is too idealist. You can live in that fantasy if you choose, but it ain't gonna happen. Let's try and think this thru. I'm living in the deep south where it's still not over the Civil War and there is still deep racial bigotry. This country hasn't fully evolved to the point where we can really believe that a 3rd party is anything more than mental masturbation. Not for the Presidency. As for this false equivalency that somehow both the Democratic Party and Republican Party are equally bad is garbage. Which Party has fomented War when in power? Which party has repeatedly blown up the deficit while pretending that they're the "responsible" ones? Which party has looked to strip voting rights, women's reproductive rights, created income inequality...? No the Democrats aren't perfect, but they clearly stand on the higher ground when it comes to the average American. Less War under Democrats If you can't vote for Obama with the full understanding of what he's had to fight thru then perhaps you lack clarity of just what the Republicans did to this country. The Republicans haven't done a single thing in the last 4 years to help this country get out of this recession. The average American does better financially under Dems and the Rich still make out great!!! Higher taxes and all. |
GustavBahler
Posts: 42864 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
![]() The article has clickable links as well as the rest of it.
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/27/the_progressive_case_against_obama/?source=newsletter
There are many good arguments against Obama, even if the Republicans cannot seem to muster any. The civil liberties/antiwar case was made eloquently a few weeks ago by libertarian Conor Friedersdorf, who wrote a well-cited blog post on why he could not, in good conscience, vote for Obama. While his arguments have tremendous merit, there is an equally powerful case against Obama on the grounds of economic and social equity. That case needs to be made. For those who don’t know me, here is a brief, relevant background: I have a long history in Democratic and liberal politics. I have worked for several Democratic candidates and affiliated groups, I have personally raised millions of dollars for Democrats online, I was an early advisor to Actblue (which has processed over $300 million to Democratic candidates). I have worked in Congress (mostly on the Dodd-Frank financial reform package), and I was a producer at MSNBC. Furthermore, I aggressively opposed Nader-style challenges until 2008.
The above is a chart of corporate profits against the main store of savings for most Americans who have savings — home equity. Notice that after the crisis, after the Obama inflection point, corporate profits recovered dramatically and surpassed previous highs, whereas home equity levels have remained static. That $5-7 trillion of lost savings did not come back, whereas financial assets and corporate profits did. Also notice that this is unprecedented in postwar history. Home equity levels and corporate profits have simply never diverged in this way; what was good for GM had always, until recently, been good, if not for America, for the balance sheet of homeowners. Obama’s policies severed this link, completely. This split represents more than money. It represents a new kind of politics, one where Obama, and yes, he did this, officially enshrined rights for the elite in our constitutional order and removed rights from everyone else (see “The Housing Crash and the End of American Citizenship” in the Fordham Urban Law Journal for a more complete discussion of the problem). The bailouts and the associated Federal Reserve actions were not primarily shifts of funds to bankers; they were a guarantee that property rights for a certain class of creditors were immune from challenge or market forces. The foreclosure crisis, with its rampant criminality, predatory lending, and document forgeries, represents the flip side. Property rights for debtors simply increasingly exist solely at the pleasure of the powerful. The lack of prosecution of Wall Street executives, the ability of banks to borrow at 0 percent from the Federal Reserve while most of us face credit card rates of 15-30 percent, and the bailouts are all part of the re-creation of the American system of law around Obama’s oligarchy. The policy continuity with Bush is a stark contrast to what Obama offered as a candidate. Look at the broken promises from the 2008 Democratic platform: a higher minimum wage, a ban on the replacement of striking workers, seven days of paid sick leave, a more diverse media ownership structure, renegotiation of NAFTA, letting bankruptcy judges write down mortgage debt, a ban on illegal wiretaps, an end to national security letters, stopping the war on whistle-blowers, passing the Employee Free Choice Act, restoring habeas corpus, and labor protections in the FAA bill. Each of these pledges would have tilted bargaining leverage to debtors, to labor, or to political dissidents. So Obama promised them to distinguish himself from Bush, and then went back on his word because these promises didn’t fit with the larger policy arc of shifting American society toward his vision. For sure, Obama believes he is doing the right thing, that his policies are what’s best for society. He is a conservative technocrat, running a policy architecture to ensure that conservative technocrats like him run the complex machinery of the state and reap private rewards from doing so. Radical political and economic inequality is the result. None of these policy shifts, with the exception of TARP, is that important in and of themselves, but together they add up to declining living standards. While life has never been fair, the chart above shows that, since World War II, this level of official legal, political and economic inequity for the broad mass of the public is new (though obviously for subgroups, like African-Americans, it was not new). It is as if America’s traditional racial segregationist tendencies have been reorganized, and the tools and tactics of that system have been repurposed for a multicultural elite colonizing a multicultural population. The data bears this out: Under Bush, economic inequality was bad, as 65 cents of every dollar of income growth went to the top 1 percent. Under Obama, however, that number is 93 cents out of every dollar. That’s right, under Barack Obama there is more economic inequality than under George W. Bush. And if you look at the chart above, most of this shift happened in 2009-2010, when Democrats controlled Congress. This was not, in other words, the doing of the mean Republican Congress. And it’s not strictly a result of the financial crisis; after all, corporate profits did crash, like housing values did, but they also recovered, while housing values have not. This is the shape of the system Obama has designed. It is intentional, it is the modern American order, and it has a certain equilibrium, the kind we identify in Middle Eastern resource extraction based economies. We are even seeing, as I showed in an earlier post, a transition of the American economic order toward a petro-state. By some accounts, America will be the largest producer of hydrocarbons in the world, bigger than Saudi Arabia. This is just not an America that any of us should want to live in. It is a country whose economic basis is oligarchy, whose political system is authoritarianism, and whose political culture is murderous toward the rest of the world and suicidal in our aggressive lack of attention to climate change. Many will claim that Obama was stymied by a Republican Congress. But the primary policy framework Obama put in place – the bailouts, took place during the transition and the immediate months after the election, when Obama had enormous leverage over the Bush administration and then a dominant Democratic Party in Congress. In fact, during the transition itself, Bush’s Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson offered a deal to Barney Frank, to force banks to write down mortgages and stem foreclosures if Barney would speed up the release of TARP money. Paulson demanded, as a condition of the deal, that Obama sign off on it. Barney said fine, but to his surprise, the incoming president vetoed the deal. Yup, you heard that right — the Bush administration was willing to write down mortgages in response to Democratic pressure, but it was Obama who said no, we want a foreclosure crisis. And with Neil Barofsky’s book ”Bailout,” we see why. Tim Geithner said, in private meetings, that the foreclosure mitigation programs were not meant to mitigate foreclosures, but to spread out pain for the banks, the famous “foam the runway” comment. This central lie is key to the entire Obama economic strategy. It is not that Obama was stymied by Congress, or was up against a system, or faced a massive crisis, which led to the shape of the economy we see today. Rather, Obama had a handshake deal to help the middle class offered to him by Paulson, and Obama said no. He was not constrained by anything but his own policy instincts. And the reflation of corporate profits and financial assets and death of the middle class were the predictable results. The rest of Obama’s policy framework looks very different when you wake up from the dream state pushed by cable news. Obama’s history of personal use of illegal narcotics, combined with his escalation of the war on medical marijuana (despite declining support for the drug war in the Democratic caucus), shows both a personal hypocrisy and destructive cynicism that we should decry in anyone, let alone an important policymaker who helps keep a half a million people in jail for participating in a legitimate economy outlawed by the drug warrior industry. But it makes sense once you realize that his policy architecture coheres with a Romney-like philosophy that there is one set of rules for the little people, and another for the important people. It’s why the administration quietly pushed Chinese investment in American infrastructure, seeks to privatize public education, removed labor protections from the FAA authorization bill, and inserted a provision into the stimulus bill ensuring AIG bonuses would be paid, and then lied about it to avoid blame. Wall Street speculator who rigged markets are simply smart and savvy businessmen, as Obama called Lloyd Blankfein and Jamie Dimon, whereas the millions who fell prey to their predatory lending schemes are irresponsible borrowers. And it’s why Obama is explicitly targeting entitlements, insurance programs for which Americans paid. Obama wants to preserve these programs for the “most vulnerable,” but that’s still a taking. Did not every American pay into Social Security and Medicare? They did, but as with the foreclosure crisis, property rights (which are essential legal rights) of the rest of us are irrelevant. While Romney is explicit about 47 percent of the country being worthless, Obama just acts as if they are charity cases. In neither case does either candidate treat the mass of the public as fellow citizens. |