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KnicksFE
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tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:KnicksFE wrote:Knixkik wrote:KnicksFE wrote:Knixkik wrote:dk7th wrote:I have asked this question several times without a response:had melo waited for free agency would the knicks be better than they are now? Absolutely not. I'd like someone to give an example of how they could possibly be better or even close to as good. An oft-injured Stoudemire, Gallo, W Chandler, Felton (who would have been paid much more had he stayed in ny), fields, Shumpert, and a couple of mid-salary FAs would have been a disaster given Stoudemire's last 1 1/2 years. It would have been a team built around a star who is fighting to stay healthy and in his prime. Who is the best player we could have put a package for other than Melo? Kevin Martin? Absolutely not Igoudala, maybe Nash. But that's about it. I bet our starting lineup without the trade would be Stoudmire, Gallo, C Chandler, Fields, and Nash with MDA as head coach. Patience is everythig, I’m sure Orlando would gladly take all the assets we gave for Melo instead of the package they got from the Howard trade.
Having the flexibility to excute a trade at any oportunity, by having our young players and picks is just as important as having the so call STAR (Melo) considering that we still a 500% team, just like before the trade. We remain average with little flexibility to get better.
I don't think they would have taken the Knicks package. The Nets package was significantly better and they did not accept it. They took this package for a reason. People vasty overrated our package on this board. I read that that Orlando didn’t take the Nets package because aside from the valuable picks they were receiving, they had to take Brook Lopes and his Max contract, leaving little salary cap flexibility to move forward and sign free agents in the future. So they accepted this last package for Howard because it gave them a little bit of everything (Picks, Youth and salary cap) http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-08-10/sports/os-dwight-howard-trade-20120810_1_magic-fans-rob-hennigan-orlando-magic Now look at everything we sent to the Nuggets for Melo (4 young players, 3 picks + the option to swap picks in 2016 + 34 million saving in salaries and luxury tax) Also, the Knicks sent Curry, AR and cash to Minnesota and Nuggets received Corey Brewer, who still young and developing. That’s five young players on rookie salaries. Honestly, I think Orlando would have gladly accepted our package for Howard; there is no question about it, now I have no problem paying premium for the likes of Howard, Lebrom, KD, but for Melo? Personally I believe we clearly over paid for the guy, a very good player? Yes, but not a great one.
http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/projected-saving-for-nuggets-as-result-of-carmelo-anthony-trade-34615779-88/ So they wouldn't have taken Lopez and his max deal, but they would have taken Gallo and Chandler, who combined make the same money? That makes no sense. This is exactly my point. The deal the Knicks sent to Denver wasn't all that great. These young players were about to get OVERPAID. I am a huge Gallo guy, but we knew very well he would get paid like an up-and-coming star when it is clear he is not. He's a good player don't get me wrong. But it's not like these guys were going to be on rookie deals for another 3 years. Orlando with re-signed Nelson, Gallo, Chandler, Big Baby, no good draft picks, etc would have been a lotto team, not bad enough to get a top 3 pick, and very little to no cap space moving forward. You think they really would have wanted that situation? it makes perfect sense? they could move one of the pieces if they wanted to and do so more easily than moving lopez and his larger deal.. why is that so hard to see... Having the money spread in two players (Chandler, Gallo) is a much better investment than having all the money allocated to one (in this case Lopes), otherwise why Orlando accepted Al Harrington and Affalo as part of the Howard package when their combined salaries is over 50 million. Do you think Orlando’s present line up (Nelson, Affalo, Turkoglu, Big Baby and Al Harrington is bad enough to get a top 3 pick? I don’t think so, is obvious that many of those veterans will be traded in the next few months, so they are going to get worst regardless. Last, since we are the oldest team in the NBA, with a two to three year window to compete and two of our best players are very injury prone, most likely our 2014 and 2016 picks will be very good picks (may be lottery) going to Denver. On top of everything else we gave, wow is that not too much? |
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