tkf wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:3G4G wrote:IrishKnickFan wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:3G4G wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Competitive basketball can be maintained for the next 6-7yrs.
We had that with the previous team except more flexibility
Not guranteed, but it could have been. Ironic you would be banking on the same PG and PF that you don't think will get it done today. The organization went in another direction so be it. You can cry over it or you can move on.
Im all for moving on from the past but you have to admit that we might have only 2-3 years to have very good seasons then its back to the drawing boards. also we havent exactly had a great history in the draft
Wasn't banking on Felton or Amar'e per say but was banking on maybe turning Felton/Amar'e and or picks/AR//Fields/Douglas/ into the missing/better pieces. We had a winning record despite all the injuries/trade rumors/unfamiliarity/new style of play. I also wanted the coach swapped out a long time ago not last year.
Don't even try and flip this either. It's the other way around. Most fans said the team was going nowhere which had Felton/Amar'e, therefore the team needed a facelift. It needed to STARFUDGE at all costs no matter what. I always begged to differ.
I was fine with the team going forward since they only played about 40gms together factoring injuries. I wanted more games played for an official data analysis and what the team looked like in the playoffs. Surely they could have accomplished getting swept by Boston 4-0. What do you think?
When Felton was traded he was being talked about something fierce. Matter of fact most fans were disgusted with Felton's point play because they felt he iced the kids out too much, playing patty cake with Amar'e in the PNR.
Amare was not going to be moved or turned into anything. Once he was signed he was a knick until his contract ran out so automatically there is a flaw in that plan. Gallo and Wilson were also going to be re-upped, Fields would look to be reupped the following yr. The team needed a superstar to put along side of Gallo, Wilson, Fields, Amare, Felton at eiher Center or SG as well as adding in more depth in order for it to be a championship calibre team. The odds of that superstar falling to the Knicks lap was slim to none. I'm guessing the Knicks org felt they can go for the superstar like Melo now and then look to find the Gallo, Wilson and Felton type pieces later on.
I'm guessing they felt it is a lot harder to land a guy like Melo then it is to land guys like Gallo and Chandler etc..
Denver basically has Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov, Lawson, our draft picks, added Iggy and Mcgee. Should I be expecting them to be chasing a championship?
true, superstars don't fall into anyone's lap at all.... so you have to be smart and patient on how you build your team... I keep hearing melo referred to as a superstar, well how is he any more of a star than amare? this is what I don't get.. we didn't get a superstar in amare, but a guy who at one time was playing near elite level ball, but not a superstar( and amare is one of my favorite players in the league)... we didn't get a superstar in melo either, but a guy who is a great streak scorer.... either way, the knicks gave up a lot and still didn't accomplish what dolan intended to do... I also keep hearing it is easy to replace gallo and chandler, but we have yet to find the young talent to replace these guys.... brewer, Jr smith, prigioni, and a host of 40 year old guys are not equal replacements.... we did get a mulligan with lin, but botched that one up....
Listen, im like you and the majority of sports fans across the world. We like to see players that we drafted ourself groomed and develop under our own eyes built into championship contenders. But I also know that neither way guarantees success or championships. Once Gallo, Chandler, Fields got new contracts the honey moon would be over and expectations would start to set in. Now the same cap situation you were looking at thinking you can add in all these star players and talent to build a great team is no longer there at the same time there is no guarantee that Gallo, Chandler, Fields, or Mozgov take the nessesary steps in growth.
As for Melo and Amare. I'm pretty sure Melo demonstrated that when he went 18-6 without Lin or Amare. Melo also 2 yrs younger and doesn't have any major injury concerns to worry about thus far. Amare has never shown to be as clutch as Melo has been thrugh out his career and Melo has a WAY more versitile offensive game then Amare from either the post or periemter. Melo may be slightly better defensively as well and a better passer though neither are great. With Melo we took a shot at a 26 yr old star talent in hopes that during his prime he elevate to another level. Its not like Melo was ran out of Denver or is coming off of major injury concerns. Or was 32 yrs old.
Melo hasn't consistently played like a superstar for us the last 2 seasons that we can all agree with. But at the same time I don't feel either he or MDA together were in a position to succeed together.
Jr Smith is a comparable player to Gallo and Chandler. Gallo and Chandler have a better feel for the game but Jr produces at a simular level with less mins and a lesser contract. Tyson Chandler was added through the Gallo-Melo trade and is arguably a better player then Gallo and Wilson. Felton has been brought back.
Melo, Jr Smith, Novak, Tyson is an upgrade over Gallo, Wilson, Mozgov, Douglas, the draft picks are yet to be determined.
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10/5/2012 9:20 PM