CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the only logical move that woodson should make is what walt frazier has recently suggested: have amare come off the bench. there he can play the finisher in the pick and roll (isn't that prigoni's specialty? kidd is probably adequate in the pick and roll too), be the main guy (like we saw the first 60 games of 2010-11), work on whatever post-up game he may be able to develop against weaker bench defenders.

it is just that simple.

100 MIL MAN coming off bench? ouch.... PR nightmare especially if we still don't win..

acquiring carmelo came at a very high initial price but the residual effects continue to resonate. it wasn't only losing chandler, gallo, mozgov. it also immediately meant that d'antoni, stoudemire, and fields would become marginalized. i am not optimistic that woodson can figure this out. i know the players can't-- they don;t have the tools or the mindset.

it could be a PR nightmare but then the upside is if the knicks start winning it washes away many sins. stoudemire needs redemption. he got shafted in the melo trade.

Let's pretend you are trying to be objective and I'll give you reasons why the Knicks had to make the trade...With STAT playing out of his mind and at MVP levels, Knicks weren't much better than a .500 team...There was no way the Amare would have kept up that performance...I remember starting a thread that said there is no way Amare keeps this up, he needs help...Gallo and Will wasn't ready to step into a number two role...Heck, two years later, they still aren't ready...Felton was our second best player, think about that....The Knicks went all in giving Amare 100 mil...They weren't about to let their young players develop on a team paying Amare 100 mil for shets and giggles...They didn't hire MDA at 6 mil per to nurture kids...

gallo is arguable the number two player on denver.. a team with a better record than us...

So Gallo and Melo are equal in value?...MDA is no longer the coach, we play defense now...

we paid a number two player max money at 20 million a year, they paid half that for gallo, ie the right price. and yes gallinari is an appreciably better defender than anthony. woodson would love a player who plays defense like gallinari.

Yeah but Gallo only plays about half a season every year. He averages 56 games per year on the court. I will have to tune into more Denver games to see Gallo's new found prowess. Last I read he was hoping to be over shoulder and back injuries by training camp. Is he going to be ready to for the start of camp this year?

half a season? 82/2= 41. you included his rookie season which is a bit unfair since he was hurt in a summer league game and apparently had a growth-spurt related stenosis condition that has since been addressed. any back issues since then? nope. throw that out and gallo has averaged 62 games a season.

here's carmelo:

2006-2007 65 games 6th seed
2008-2009 66 games 2nd seed
2009-2010 69 games 4th seed
2011-2012 55 games 7th seed

he averages 63 games a season. that's for a 20-million dollar player who has gotten out of the first round once. yikes

carmelo and his devoted followers should probably cut down on ingesting thc... just sayin'

I disagree with your math. Last year was a 66 game season. When I calculated Gallo's numbers I did it as a percentage and converted it to 82 games. I also didn't leave out any of the years he played or just pick the years that he had injuries as you did with Melo. By your math I could cherry pick and not count the two years Gallo played 81 and 62 games. His average games per year would be 39. No need to though his average is a true 56 and he has been reported to have back and shoulder issues as recently as August. The report said he was hoping to be ready for camp.

i included all of melo's years but highlighted the years he played the fewest games and his team's rs results. i won't include gallo's 27 games of his rookie season: not reasonable

here's the math, including exploding the 66 games from last year:

melo: 82, 75, 80, 65, 77, 66, 69, 77, "68" = 73 games

gallo: not. incl. his rookie season = 65 games

not a huge difference between a 20 million dollar franchise player and a 10 million dolar 4th option role player. i don't like gallo's historical lack of durability any more than the next but melo has not been as durable as people think either.

Uh No. The 23 games he missed last year out of 66 is the same as playing in 53 games in an 82 game season. Gallo played over 65 games once in his career. The guy has serious durability issues. Your math doesn't add up even when you take out the 54 games he missed in his first year.

cheese and rice, dude: 43/66= 65%. .65 x 82 = 53.4

81, 62, "53.4" = 196.4 ----> divide by 3 = 65.4

mrKnickShot wrote:tkf meet dk.

Can you two possibly merge? Or, are you already merged?

I personally don't care if Melo is top 5 or top 20. Contracts and player value is mostly determined by the market. What are teams willing to pay for him. For Melo, any team with the ability to get him and/or had the cap space would have jumped and would still today.

As far as Amare, the only other team willing to sign him was phx at 40 million less than we paid. Nice going Mr. Walsh.

Chandler was an FA that was not going to be resigned and Gallo probably got more than he is worth based on his market value.

The pressure is on everyone - Melo, Amare, Felton, Woody, Isiah and Chandler

yes contracts are based on what the market will bear. but what the market will bear rarely reflects cost versus value. in basketball qua basketball value is based on winning games and winning titles. if not winning then cost is based on putting asses in seats.

not every player who is being paid what the market will bear is dedicated to winning. that's the reality here.

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the only logical move that woodson should make is what walt frazier has recently suggested: have amare come off the bench. there he can play the finisher in the pick and roll (isn't that prigoni's specialty? kidd is probably adequate in the pick and roll too), be the main guy (like we saw the first 60 games of 2010-11), work on whatever post-up game he may be able to develop against weaker bench defenders.

it is just that simple.

100 MIL MAN coming off bench? ouch.... PR nightmare especially if we still don't win..

acquiring carmelo came at a very high initial price but the residual effects continue to resonate. it wasn't only losing chandler, gallo, mozgov. it also immediately meant that d'antoni, stoudemire, and fields would become marginalized. i am not optimistic that woodson can figure this out. i know the players can't-- they don;t have the tools or the mindset.

it could be a PR nightmare but then the upside is if the knicks start winning it washes away many sins. stoudemire needs redemption. he got shafted in the melo trade.

Let's pretend you are trying to be objective and I'll give you reasons why the Knicks had to make the trade...With STAT playing out of his mind and at MVP levels, Knicks weren't much better than a .500 team...There was no way the Amare would have kept up that performance...I remember starting a thread that said there is no way Amare keeps this up, he needs help...Gallo and Will wasn't ready to step into a number two role...Heck, two years later, they still aren't ready...Felton was our second best player, think about that....The Knicks went all in giving Amare 100 mil...They weren't about to let their young players develop on a team paying Amare 100 mil for shets and giggles...They didn't hire MDA at 6 mil per to nurture kids...

gallo is arguable the number two player on denver.. a team with a better record than us...

So Gallo and Melo are equal in value?...MDA is no longer the coach, we play defense now...

we paid a number two player max money at 20 million a year, they paid half that for gallo, ie the right price. and yes gallinari is an appreciably better defender than anthony. woodson would love a player who plays defense like gallinari.

Yeah but Gallo only plays about half a season every year. He averages 56 games per year on the court. I will have to tune into more Denver games to see Gallo's new found prowess. Last I read he was hoping to be over shoulder and back injuries by training camp. Is he going to be ready to for the start of camp this year?

half a season? 82/2= 41. you included his rookie season which is a bit unfair since he was hurt in a summer league game and apparently had a growth-spurt related stenosis condition that has since been addressed. any back issues since then? nope. throw that out and gallo has averaged 62 games a season.

here's carmelo:

2006-2007 65 games 6th seed
2008-2009 66 games 2nd seed
2009-2010 69 games 4th seed
2011-2012 55 games 7th seed

he averages 63 games a season. that's for a 20-million dollar player who has gotten out of the first round once. yikes

carmelo and his devoted followers should probably cut down on ingesting thc... just sayin'

dk what I find odd are the carmelo followers are always bringing up gallo when ever carmelo is criticized.. they forget we traded chandler, moz, and picks....

I thought the standard was going to be raised when carmelo got here.. so far it hasn't, and trying to belittle gallo is ridiculous... we were fine with the kids, on a steady progression of improvement...

when carmelo flaws are pointed out, they go right after gallo.. I mean is that supposed to make the trade better? LOL.. gallo is part of a team that is doing well and don't have the problems we have, I don't get the criticism here...

tkf it's sad. i mean it's obvious that carmelo is a divisive figure. at least half the nba fanbase, uninformed as it is, doesn't think that highly of carmelo anthony. someone asked you for a list of 15 players "better" than carmelo and i gave them a list. meanwhile, espn (yuck) puts him at 17th. as you implied, there is a huge gap between the best 5 or 6 players and the next tiers. melo is practically two tiers away by that reckoning. not a franchise talent like your top 5 or 6 players by any stretch yet paid like one. the money he receives is misleading in terms of his actual value and paradoxically the basis for his being over-valued. "he is being paid max money so he must be a max money player!"

carmelo anthony supporters are a lot like carmelo. lots of swag but underneath insecure. so they blame the victim(s)in melo's path of underacievement and destruction. to justify the value of the trade they devalue the players that dolan was happy to ship out. just like carmelo saying lin's contract was ridiculous. and on a different note just look at the olympics: did that not cement that melo is a number two type player and not a franchise player? "he was doing what the coaches told him to do." uhhh... no. "we didn't bring melo here to create and defend we brought him here to score." again... no.

not for max money AND 3.5 rotation players.

gallo was the best player in that travesty of a trade so he is an easy target: suspected of nepotism from the jump, european, herky-jerky, an intangibles player, an "advanced stat" player, gets under the skin of his assignments. he threatens the status quo that american players are better at playing winning basketball. most fans are too young to register that european coaches have valued team-oriented basketball that they learned from the americans back in the 60s and 70s when the talent and skill gap was so huge. meanwhile stern and the ncaa has conspired to ruin the american game in pursuit of commerce.

the knicks didn't need to upgrade at small forward they needed to upgrade at point guard. that was walsh's plan before melo and dolan shoved walsh aside.

and now melo has to justify his displacing of walsh and his plan, walsh and his coach, walsh and his first max acquisition, losing the players walsh brought in in gallo, fields, and harrelson.

melo has a lot to prove and the clock is ticking.

very well said. one thing I also found odd is that the olympic team was running a dantoni offense right? well carmelo sure seemed to do well in that.. too bad he moaned when dantoni was in NY instead of being a leader and playing for his teamates... for a guy that is supposed to be such a versatile scorer he was so against dantoni having him start his offense further out, for the sake of keeping the middle open for amare.... remember Al harrington? the guy I labeled "free candy" he pretty much played the role dantoni wanted with melo, space the floor, start your offense out further but the shots will be there.. Did al Harrington suffer? did he not get his shots? did he not have his iso and post up opportunities? sure he did.... why was that so hard for melo? maybe becaue he is lazy, wants the ball fed to him on the elbow where he doesn't have to do much to get it....

as far as gallo, yea he was an easy target here, but as you said, he was that type of player the opponents hate, he draws fouls, has a somewhat awkward movement to his game, but he is effective, and uses everything he has to his advantage.. he does threaten the status quo that you mentioned and some people won't accept that... as far as stern, I agree, he has done so much damage to this game, he was just lucky to have guys like MJ make him look good.... but the team ball concept seems to be the un-cool thing... you gotta have that guy taking 30 shots per game, or you don't stand a chance.... so sad....

he knicks didn't need to upgrade at small forward they needed to upgrade at point guard. that was walsh's plan before melo and dolan shoved walsh aside.

Bingo!!! if you look at it dk, the trade I would have loved to make with denver would have been for andre miller, a guy who is as solid a pG you will find....he would have been an upgrade over felton and would probably have come at a much cheaper price... who knows a couple of second round picks and Anthony randolph along with felton, may have pried him from denver. that would have been a nice start to adding to what we had....

It would have addressed a real need of ours....

CP3 would have been ideal, but we had options... one's I think walsh was not allowed to explore..

again.. just sad..

anthony. someone asked you for a list of 15 players "better" than carmelo and i gave them a list. meanwhile, espn (yuck) puts him at 17th. as you implied, there is a huge gap between the best 5 or 6 players and the next tiers. melo is practically two tiers away by that reckoning.

yea, I never understood why many view carmelo as a star.. but whatever.. he is a second tier player... and what we did was try to fight fire with fire... miami got the best player in the league, and our answer was to get the 17th best to counter that? wow...... when you are facing the fastest gun fighter, it would be smart to get a posse of capable, good men...... dk, team ball, good team ball is becoming a thing of the past man...

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the only logical move that woodson should make is what walt frazier has recently suggested: have amare come off the bench. there he can play the finisher in the pick and roll (isn't that prigoni's specialty? kidd is probably adequate in the pick and roll too), be the main guy (like we saw the first 60 games of 2010-11), work on whatever post-up game he may be able to develop against weaker bench defenders.

it is just that simple.

100 MIL MAN coming off bench? ouch.... PR nightmare especially if we still don't win..

acquiring carmelo came at a very high initial price but the residual effects continue to resonate. it wasn't only losing chandler, gallo, mozgov. it also immediately meant that d'antoni, stoudemire, and fields would become marginalized. i am not optimistic that woodson can figure this out. i know the players can't-- they don;t have the tools or the mindset.

it could be a PR nightmare but then the upside is if the knicks start winning it washes away many sins. stoudemire needs redemption. he got shafted in the melo trade.

Let's pretend you are trying to be objective and I'll give you reasons why the Knicks had to make the trade...With STAT playing out of his mind and at MVP levels, Knicks weren't much better than a .500 team...There was no way the Amare would have kept up that performance...I remember starting a thread that said there is no way Amare keeps this up, he needs help...Gallo and Will wasn't ready to step into a number two role...Heck, two years later, they still aren't ready...Felton was our second best player, think about that....The Knicks went all in giving Amare 100 mil...They weren't about to let their young players develop on a team paying Amare 100 mil for shets and giggles...They didn't hire MDA at 6 mil per to nurture kids...

gallo is arguable the number two player on denver.. a team with a better record than us...

So Gallo and Melo are equal in value?...MDA is no longer the coach, we play defense now...

we paid a number two player max money at 20 million a year, they paid half that for gallo, ie the right price. and yes gallinari is an appreciably better defender than anthony. woodson would love a player who plays defense like gallinari.

Yeah but Gallo only plays about half a season every year. He averages 56 games per year on the court. I will have to tune into more Denver games to see Gallo's new found prowess. Last I read he was hoping to be over shoulder and back injuries by training camp. Is he going to be ready to for the start of camp this year?

half a season? 82/2= 41. you included his rookie season which is a bit unfair since he was hurt in a summer league game and apparently had a growth-spurt related stenosis condition that has since been addressed. any back issues since then? nope. throw that out and gallo has averaged 62 games a season.

here's carmelo:

2006-2007 65 games 6th seed
2008-2009 66 games 2nd seed
2009-2010 69 games 4th seed
2011-2012 55 games 7th seed

he averages 63 games a season. that's for a 20-million dollar player who has gotten out of the first round once. yikes

carmelo and his devoted followers should probably cut down on ingesting thc... just sayin'

I disagree with your math. Last year was a 66 game season. When I calculated Gallo's numbers I did it as a percentage and converted it to 82 games. I also didn't leave out any of the years he played or just pick the years that he had injuries as you did with Melo. By your math I could cherry pick and not count the two years Gallo played 81 and 62 games. His average games per year would be 39. No need to though his average is a true 56 and he has been reported to have back and shoulder issues as recently as August. The report said he was hoping to be ready for camp.

i included all of melo's years but highlighted the years he played the fewest games and his team's rs results. i won't include gallo's 27 games of his rookie season: not reasonable

here's the math, including exploding the 66 games from last year:

melo: 82, 75, 80, 65, 77, 66, 69, 77, "68" = 73 games

gallo: not. incl. his rookie season = 65 games

not a huge difference between a 20 million dollar franchise player and a 10 million dolar 4th option role player. i don't like gallo's historical lack of durability any more than the next but melo has not been as durable as people think either.

Uh No. The 23 games he missed last year out of 66 is the same as playing in 53 games in an 82 game season. Gallo played over 65 games once in his career. The guy has serious durability issues. Your math doesn't add up even when you take out the 54 games he missed in his first year.

cheese and rice, dude: 43/66= 65%. .65 x 82 = 53.4

81, 62, "53.4" = 196.4 ----> divide by 3 = 65.4

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:tkf meet dk.

Can you two possibly merge? Or, are you already merged?

I personally don't care if Melo is top 5 or top 20. Contracts and player value is mostly determined by the market. What are teams willing to pay for him. For Melo, any team with the ability to get him and/or had the cap space would have jumped and would still today.

As far as Amare, the only other team willing to sign him was phx at 40 million less than we paid. Nice going Mr. Walsh.

Chandler was an FA that was not going to be resigned and Gallo probably got more than he is worth based on his market value.

The pressure is on everyone - Melo, Amare, Felton, Woody, Isiah and Chandler

yes contracts are based on what the market will bear. but what the market will bear rarely reflects cost versus value. in basketball qua basketball value is based on winning games and winning titles. if not winning then cost is based on putting asses in seats.

not every player who is being paid what the market will bear is dedicated to winning. that's the reality here.

That's arguable. Many said that Paul Pierce was not dedicated to winning and then he won. Whatever is being said about Melo was said about PP. Then PP was surrounded with the right players and these things were no longer mentioned.

Melo fought his ass off in the playoffs this year while Amare stayed home, Lin was out and Chandler laid an egg. Was that not dedicated? When Melo lost to SA and averaged 27 points and 8 rebounds on 48 percent shooting, was he not dedicating himself to winning? He had some years that he was excellent in the playoffs and some years that his pct was off. Do you remember when he did not dedicate himself to winning in the playoffs?

With MDA, he was certainly sidetracked this year and I blame him for that.

Was Wade dedicated to winning when he played without Shaq and the team was awful? Was Garnett dedicated to winning as a perennial loser in Minny (on a damn good team)?

Winning makes you look like you were dedicated to it.

Melo needs a PG or a facilitator. He is not Lebron (obviously). I would have loved to see how he would have played with Steve Nash.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the only logical move that woodson should make is what walt frazier has recently suggested: have amare come off the bench. there he can play the finisher in the pick and roll (isn't that prigoni's specialty? kidd is probably adequate in the pick and roll too), be the main guy (like we saw the first 60 games of 2010-11), work on whatever post-up game he may be able to develop against weaker bench defenders.

it is just that simple.

100 MIL MAN coming off bench? ouch.... PR nightmare especially if we still don't win..

acquiring carmelo came at a very high initial price but the residual effects continue to resonate. it wasn't only losing chandler, gallo, mozgov. it also immediately meant that d'antoni, stoudemire, and fields would become marginalized. i am not optimistic that woodson can figure this out. i know the players can't-- they don;t have the tools or the mindset.

it could be a PR nightmare but then the upside is if the knicks start winning it washes away many sins. stoudemire needs redemption. he got shafted in the melo trade.

Let's pretend you are trying to be objective and I'll give you reasons why the Knicks had to make the trade...With STAT playing out of his mind and at MVP levels, Knicks weren't much better than a .500 team...There was no way the Amare would have kept up that performance...I remember starting a thread that said there is no way Amare keeps this up, he needs help...Gallo and Will wasn't ready to step into a number two role...Heck, two years later, they still aren't ready...Felton was our second best player, think about that....The Knicks went all in giving Amare 100 mil...They weren't about to let their young players develop on a team paying Amare 100 mil for shets and giggles...They didn't hire MDA at 6 mil per to nurture kids...

gallo is arguable the number two player on denver.. a team with a better record than us...

So Gallo and Melo are equal in value?...MDA is no longer the coach, we play defense now...

we paid a number two player max money at 20 million a year, they paid half that for gallo, ie the right price. and yes gallinari is an appreciably better defender than anthony. woodson would love a player who plays defense like gallinari.

Yeah but Gallo only plays about half a season every year. He averages 56 games per year on the court. I will have to tune into more Denver games to see Gallo's new found prowess. Last I read he was hoping to be over shoulder and back injuries by training camp. Is he going to be ready to for the start of camp this year?

half a season? 82/2= 41. you included his rookie season which is a bit unfair since he was hurt in a summer league game and apparently had a growth-spurt related stenosis condition that has since been addressed. any back issues since then? nope. throw that out and gallo has averaged 62 games a season.

here's carmelo:

2006-2007 65 games 6th seed
2008-2009 66 games 2nd seed
2009-2010 69 games 4th seed
2011-2012 55 games 7th seed

he averages 63 games a season. that's for a 20-million dollar player who has gotten out of the first round once. yikes

carmelo and his devoted followers should probably cut down on ingesting thc... just sayin'

I disagree with your math. Last year was a 66 game season. When I calculated Gallo's numbers I did it as a percentage and converted it to 82 games. I also didn't leave out any of the years he played or just pick the years that he had injuries as you did with Melo. By your math I could cherry pick and not count the two years Gallo played 81 and 62 games. His average games per year would be 39. No need to though his average is a true 56 and he has been reported to have back and shoulder issues as recently as August. The report said he was hoping to be ready for camp.

i included all of melo's years but highlighted the years he played the fewest games and his team's rs results. i won't include gallo's 27 games of his rookie season: not reasonable

here's the math, including exploding the 66 games from last year:

melo: 82, 75, 80, 65, 77, 66, 69, 77, "68" = 73 games

gallo: not. incl. his rookie season = 65 games

not a huge difference between a 20 million dollar franchise player and a 10 million dolar 4th option role player. i don't like gallo's historical lack of durability any more than the next but melo has not been as durable as people think either.

Uh No. The 23 games he missed last year out of 66 is the same as playing in 53 games in an 82 game season. Gallo played over 65 games once in his career. The guy has serious durability issues. Your math doesn't add up even when you take out the 54 games he missed in his first year.

cheese and rice, dude: 43/66= 65%. .65 x 82 = 53.4

81, 62, "53.4" = 196.4 ----> divide by 3 = 65.4

Oops. He still averages 56 games a year. Guys aren't less injury prone because you discount the year they missed the most games. There were rumors around the draft that Gallo had a bad back.

his condition was a narrowing of his spinal column-- stenosis-- due to a very fast growth spurt where he grew 2 inches in a very short space of time. he took a vicious hit from phat phuck tractor traylor in a summer league game that catalyzed an accident already waiting to happen. injury? if you say so.

and yet he hasn't had a back issue since. i agree he has been injury-prone and this may mean he will never develop fully as a player. still, i really don't see his 27 games his rookie year as anything more than an exhibition for him.

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:tkf meet dk.

Can you two possibly merge? Or, are you already merged?

I personally don't care if Melo is top 5 or top 20. Contracts and player value is mostly determined by the market. What are teams willing to pay for him. For Melo, any team with the ability to get him and/or had the cap space would have jumped and would still today.

As far as Amare, the only other team willing to sign him was phx at 40 million less than we paid. Nice going Mr. Walsh.

Chandler was an FA that was not going to be resigned and Gallo probably got more than he is worth based on his market value.

The pressure is on everyone - Melo, Amare, Felton, Woody, Isiah and Chandler

yes contracts are based on what the market will bear. but what the market will bear rarely reflects cost versus value. in basketball qua basketball value is based on winning games and winning titles. if not winning then cost is based on putting asses in seats.

not every player who is being paid what the market will bear is dedicated to winning. that's the reality here.

That's arguable. Many said that Paul Pierce was not dedicated to winning and then he won. Whatever is being said about Melo was said about PP. Then PP was surrounded with the right players and these things were no longer mentioned.

Melo fought his ass off in the playoffs this year while Amare stayed home, Lin was out and Chandler laid an egg. Was that not dedicated? When Melo lost to SA and averaged 27 points and 8 rebounds on 48 percent shooting, was he not dedicating himself to winning? He had some years that he was excellent in the playoffs and some years that his pct was off. Do you remember when he did not dedicate himself to winning in the playoffs?

With MDA, he was certainly sidetracked this year and I blame him for that.

Was Wade dedicated to winning when he played without Shaq and the team was awful? Was Garnett dedicated to winning as a perennial loser in Minny (on a damn good team)?

Winning makes you look like you were dedicated to it.

Melo needs a PG or a facilitator. He is not Lebron (obviously). I would have loved to see how he would have played with Steve Nash.

once and for all time please stop this argument.. really, it is so tired... those guys are just better players.. no one questioned their will to win, for pierce it was a maturity issue, he was always known as a gym rat.. carmelo has had his conditioning and will to win questioned for years... no one questioned garnett because he put in work, and it showed, minny wasn't a winner but garnett was recognized, with awards, mvp,defensive player of the year, all nba first team... same thing with wade.. they were recognized around the league, their work ethic never questioned..

stop trying to align carmelo with guys that are out of his league.. really it makes for such a bad argument..

you say what carmelo needed was a PG, then he should have stayed his azz in denver where they had a pretty good one in andre miller!!!!!

Winning makes you look like you were dedicated to it.

NO, actually being dedicated to your craft makes you look like it.. and it also at some point will lead to winning...

dk7th wrote:OT ALERT: PACKERS GOT ABSOLUTELY JOBBED. UNBELIEVABLE!

i thought it was a pick as well

i used to think stern had beome the most evil head of a league... heads of nhl and nfl are both fighting real hard to take that prize.

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knickscity wrote:you counted games that weren't due to injury.

you are really reaching now lol. bereavement leave? that's some kind of weak sauce but okay i got him at 14 days off and 7 games. that brings it up almost another game per season to almost 69. makes you feel all warm and fuzzy doesn't it? and he still made 1.35 million during that period. torrie smith plays football for the ravens the same day his brother dies ans excels.

And i didn't mention just that, i also mentioned the year he was suspended for the brawl against us.

Basically all you did was cut and paste and really is talking out of your rear.

But why isn't gallo's rookie year counted? he misses considerable amount of time EVERY YEAR due to injury.

I guess that's the built in excuse for why he won't advance farther than just being a role player.

Uptown wrote:

callmened wrote:Ive always thought that the issue was tyson & stat. Tyson takes up the space where stat operates. When he played well durng his first yr...he played center

Agreed. I've said this numerous times. When Chandler went down for a few games, Stat put up very good numbers. The Milwaukee game stands out when he and Melo played well.

2 problems with the Chandler Stat combo. First, Chandler ate up most of the pick-n-roll plays last year, a play that Stat made his career off of. Second, when Stat played the 5 in his first year here, he was quicker than the opposition so he would either dribble by them, or knock down the jay because they were too scared to come out. When he went on that scoring run in his first year, most of it was at the 5.

The 4's are quick enough to stay with Stat, so his patented 'put my head down and rush to the basket' move wont work. Also, his jumper vacated him last year. In order for him to be successful this year, he needs some spot minutes at the 5 (probably not going to happen with Camby here) and he needs to be the feature guy in the pick-and roll game. If not, then hopefully, he has improved in the post with Hakeem's help.

He's the heart of this team and also the leader, but you cant lead from the bench. He needs to be healthy and playing. If he's that the Knicks will be better then good. If he's not we are Anthony's Nuggets and will be bounced in round 1 again. Its really as simple as that.

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dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:you counted games that weren't due to injury.

you are really reaching now lol. bereavement leave? that's some kind of weak sauce but okay i got him at 14 days off and 7 games. that brings it up almost another game per season to almost 69. makes you feel all warm and fuzzy doesn't it? and he still made 1.35 million during that period. torrie smith plays football for the ravens the same day his brother dies ans excels.

Why bring up pay? Everyone on bereavement leave gets paid basically on any job.

And i didn't mention just that, i also mentioned the year he was suspended for the brawl against us.

Basically all you did was cut and paste and really is talking out of your rear.

But why isn't gallo's rookie year counted? he misses considerable amount of time EVERY YEAR due to injury.

I guess that's the built in excuse for why he won't advance farther than just being a role player.

why are you using gallo as the measuring stick as to which carmelo is to be judged by. .I thought we were getting the better end of the stick.. I thought he was supposed to transform us from a middle of the pack group into the elite.. the only thing that has happened so far is that we are barely a middle of the pack group while gallo's team is closer to joining the contenders in the west..... your focus is all in the wrong place..