holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:TK offers low hanging fruit and some of you take the bait every time.

Melo is Bernard King, capble of putting huge runs that are memorable and grow in stature over time.

King had a few great seasons but his career was marked early with being aloof and very self centered. He became a star of sorts but his HOF eludes him for reasons. His maturity and intensity was great for him and fans. Loved watching him play!

But he lacks bling.

Melo had one stretch of "18-6" which we can at least hang on him and be happy about. Im sure he carried Denver for stretches but as we all know save for one time has not carried them past the first round. Before that stretch he sort of **** all over the team for being out of shape, being selfish, injuries, etc.

So we have melo and Amare both in shape and with a good outlook, a good deep roster but one that I think lacks in the Back court.

Melo has earned his reputation and I think its "fair". While I would not go all out with TKF on his assessment of him, at the other spectrum I would not "Starphuckedly" inflate his presence into the realm some of you embraced "18-6" and extropolate that into the future as justification that Gallo should not say anything negative.

First off it is not entirely accurate what he really meant by his statement and how the question was asked to him. Language is not easily translated. Gallo knows what a freaking clown Dolan is and understands the MSG method.

The trade, as I have said before will be determined over a 5 year period. We are not two years into it.

To evaluate the trade one has to consider Gallo, Wilson, Moz and two no. 1 picks.

Its why we watch the games.

nalod, I will dissagree with you on bernard.. when king came to the knicks his impact was immediate. He didn't have the excuse of not liking the coach, and Hubie was a hard ass... haha, he didn't have the excuse of trying to mesh with his teamates...Bernard had early problems in his career with alcohol, but when he came to the knicks, he ignited this franchise, the series vs Detroit and a Young Isiah was just classic.. his battles with boston were almost legendary... He was as advertised and then some.. I see nothing that melo has done that comes close..

I will also say this, I am not a fan of building your team around a scoring SF, I just don't think that has ever worked.. lebron is a SF who plays like a PG, other than that, Not sure how successfull you are going to be having your best player as a SF who does nothing but shoot...

Kevin Durant...Bron, isn't a PG...Paul Pierce...Has it ever worked..hmmmmm...Larry Bird, Julius Erving, Nique was quite good....

I said scoring SF's.. Byrd lebron, played distributor a lot as well, they were just not guys who can score.... hmmmm

julius , as much as I love doc, was better off playing as the "other guy" to moses malone, even so, wouldn't julius be the exception and not the rule..

Nique was great, but really wasn't going to lead the hawks to contention, not with him as the "man", and I loved nique..

durant? plays more like a SG...

moreso than not, you will find that scoring SF's just are not the type to build around, not guys who just shoot or score... there may be exceptions, but very few over history..

U are just simply wrong...All those guys are small forwards you build around including Pierce...Melo is one of the better rebounders at the position as well, Doc didn't play second fiddle to Moses...U are calling Durant a SG because that's all he does and u(TKF) would build around that dude in a heartbeat...I guess he is a second exception to the rule???...Bro, your hate blinds your objectivity to a point where u now feel that no one at the position is adequate to build around...Linsanity...

One more thing...Melo does what most in the NBA wishes for, he can finish and close out a game better than most players in the league...5 seconds left and I want Melo or Durant to have the ball in their hands, no one else...

no I am not wrong.. I said I would build around lebron, that is a no brainer.. bird.. a no brainer, even durant, because of the way they play, they play a different game than the typical volume shooting SF, like nique, and carmelo... I would build around pierce because he is also a facilitator and a defender.. so yes, I build around those guys.. Bird averaged close to 7 dimes in most years, and we know what lebron does, those guys played the role of point forward, they made guys around them more effective... remember when dantoni tried to get pumpkin head to play PF, he hated it.. of course, because it meant he had to pass...so.......

carmelo is a chucker, s NO, I don't build around him......

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:TKF,

Your circumvention of the facts in your arguments are comical and extremely partisan.

Not everyone is capable of being rational.

Have fun in la la land.

Kobe had Shaq, Gasol, Bynum and PJAX

Wade had Lebron, Bosh and Shaq

Pierce had KG, Allen and Rondo

Melo had uh uh um uh - CAMBY!! Yay - good point! Oh and of course Andre Miller! Did I mention that he had the HOF AI?

You might just not be capable of getting it (logically). Its like trying to teach a student with an IQ of 60.

here is where your argument fails.. you fail to recognize all of those guys were great in their own right, they were and are all better than carmelo...

your crutch is that they had one another.... and poor carmelo has no one.. well ask.. why in the hell did we ante up the farm to get him...

For the billionth time, lets check the "farm", shall we?

Felton - back on the team for next to nothing, Check
Gallo - injured, sporadic scoring at best, 3pt game in Denver's last playoff closeout loss. Now has something to say about the Knicks. 2 years later. Check
Wilson - China's greatest free agent. Injured. Check
Moz - who? Possibly Denver's greatest 3rd string center ever. This decade's greatest Fred Weis moment. Check

tkf, your hate is blindingly apparent. Let it go. You'll live longer and happier. Guarantee your blood pressure will go down 10 points.

Just sayin.

WE ALSO gave up 4 picks.... two young talented player, a young big, we also lost Anthony randolph in the deal and gave them a huge salary dump by moving curry elsewhere.. yes we gave up the farm for a guy,everyone admits can't beat the teams with real superstars on it..

why should I leave it alone?

Reasons to leave it alone:

1) You continue to get your facts wrong, since hate normally causes blurred vision: It's 3 picks, not 4.
New York's 2014 first-round pick = should be great, since we're in the playoffs 3 years in a row by then.
Golden State's 2012 second-round pick = 6.8 points and 5.2 rebounds in five games in summer league; watch out Lebron!
Golden State's 2013 second-round pick = who knows, seriously, who cares? We talkin' bout the second round?? Second Round???

2) You continue exacerbating your reading comprehension problems:
Gallo is injured, and is a possible great 6th man at his best moments.
Wilson is injured and missed all of last season. Are you maintaining that Gallo + Mayor =

two young talented player

on the IR?
The young big is sitting behind most of the front court in Denver and will most likely continue to do so.

3) Please stop talking about Anthony Randolph. He's in witness protection; you could be endangering a life.

4) Mentioning moving ECurry as a possible negative in any scenario instantaneously destroys whatever credibility you hope to build.

5) You forgot the $3 million we gave away as well. Maybe some of those dollars meant higher hot dog prices at MSG, huh?

We've recieved a top 10 player who finishes games like no one we've had since BK.
Deal with it and move on already.

1) You continue to get your facts wrong, since hate normally causes blurred vision: It's 3 picks, not 4.
New York's 2014 first-round pick = should be great, since we're in the playoffs 3 years in a row by then.
Golden State's 2012 second-round pick = 6.8 points and 5.2 rebounds in five games in summer league; watch out Lebron!
Golden State's 2013 second-round pick = who knows, seriously, who cares? We talkin' bout the second round?? Second Round???

LOL.. Ok, so 3 pics, still horrible to give up here, and I can't believe you tried to associate their pick with what we would have picked.. that is hilarious.. rofl...

as far as the future picks, stop trying to devalue those picks.. it really is reaching bro.... fields was a second round pick, who turned out to be a pretty darn good player..

Second round? second round? you sound like iverson.. Practice? practice? yea, I mean who cares about those things.. right?

The Iverson Practice reference was the point. Fields was a pretty darn good player??? You'd rather have this underhyped non-shooting SG than an "overhyped chucker"? Seriously interesting opinion. What do you miss most, the pregame ritual with Lin, the Landry and Andy show, or a starting NBA player who looks like you taught him how to shoot?

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:
3) Please stop talking about Anthony Randolph. He's in witness protection; you could be endangering a life.

if Denver is witness protection, then excuse me..LOL..

AR rookie year: 7.9ppg and 5.8 rpg
AR last year: 7.4ppg and 3.6 rpg

You look upon this as one of the strengths of your argument? You laugh. You funny. Ha ha.

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:
4) Mentioning moving ECurry as a possible negative in any scenario instantaneously destroys whatever credibility you hope to build.

hmmm seems like most knicks fans brought into isiah's " expiring deals have value crap" now curry's expiring was useless right? ok, ask denver that, as they go out and fill their team with the room we gave them....

Seriously, you're trying to say moving Eddy Curry, no matter what the cost, was a move you'd take back? Think slowly. Did you want to keep Jerome James too? Do you miss Marbles? Do you miss IT? Does your hate know no coherent bounds?

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:
We've recieved a top 10 player who finishes games like no one we've had since BK.
Deal with it and move on already.

top 10 in your eyes, and tell me, how well has finishing games worked for us.. we have a worse record than the team we sent our useless players and picks to.. I rather have them back.... with the better record..

you can have the overhyped chucker...

Would you rather be in the Western Conference, too? You honestly think Denver as constituted has a better record in the Eastern Conference than us? Another issue with your hate is you can't make honest comparisons.

come on man, stop creating arguments, I mentioned Ar simply because he is on a NBA roster and he had some value, you simply are making this out to be that the knicks gave away nothing to get carmelo.. well if that is the case what does that say about carmelo? In fact the knicks gave away too much and let me ask you this...

why haven't the knicks been better than the team we traded those guys away to? you can't run away from tha....so

I will leave you with that...

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:TK offers low hanging fruit and some of you take the bait every time.

Melo is Bernard King, capble of putting huge runs that are memorable and grow in stature over time.

King had a few great seasons but his career was marked early with being aloof and very self centered. He became a star of sorts but his HOF eludes him for reasons. His maturity and intensity was great for him and fans. Loved watching him play!

But he lacks bling.

Melo had one stretch of "18-6" which we can at least hang on him and be happy about. Im sure he carried Denver for stretches but as we all know save for one time has not carried them past the first round. Before that stretch he sort of **** all over the team for being out of shape, being selfish, injuries, etc.

So we have melo and Amare both in shape and with a good outlook, a good deep roster but one that I think lacks in the Back court.

Melo has earned his reputation and I think its "fair". While I would not go all out with TKF on his assessment of him, at the other spectrum I would not "Starphuckedly" inflate his presence into the realm some of you embraced "18-6" and extropolate that into the future as justification that Gallo should not say anything negative.

First off it is not entirely accurate what he really meant by his statement and how the question was asked to him. Language is not easily translated. Gallo knows what a freaking clown Dolan is and understands the MSG method.

The trade, as I have said before will be determined over a 5 year period. We are not two years into it.

To evaluate the trade one has to consider Gallo, Wilson, Moz and two no. 1 picks.

Its why we watch the games.

nalod, I will dissagree with you on bernard.. when king came to the knicks his impact was immediate. He didn't have the excuse of not liking the coach, and Hubie was a hard ass... haha, he didn't have the excuse of trying to mesh with his teamates...Bernard had early problems in his career with alcohol, but when he came to the knicks, he ignited this franchise, the series vs Detroit and a Young Isiah was just classic.. his battles with boston were almost legendary... He was as advertised and then some.. I see nothing that melo has done that comes close..

I will also say this, I am not a fan of building your team around a scoring SF, I just don't think that has ever worked.. lebron is a SF who plays like a PG, other than that, Not sure how successfull you are going to be having your best player as a SF who does nothing but shoot...

Kevin Durant...Bron, isn't a PG...Paul Pierce...Has it ever worked..hmmmmm...Larry Bird, Julius Erving, Nique was quite good....

I said scoring SF's.. Byrd lebron, played distributor a lot as well, they were just not guys who can score.... hmmmm

julius , as much as I love doc, was better off playing as the "other guy" to moses malone, even so, wouldn't julius be the exception and not the rule..

Nique was great, but really wasn't going to lead the hawks to contention, not with him as the "man", and I loved nique..

durant? plays more like a SG...

moreso than not, you will find that scoring SF's just are not the type to build around, not guys who just shoot or score... there may be exceptions, but very few over history..

U are just simply wrong...All those guys are small forwards you build around including Pierce...Melo is one of the better rebounders at the position as well, Doc didn't play second fiddle to Moses...U are calling Durant a SG because that's all he does and u(TKF) would build around that dude in a heartbeat...I guess he is a second exception to the rule???...Bro, your hate blinds your objectivity to a point where u now feel that no one at the position is adequate to build around...Linsanity...

One more thing...Melo does what most in the NBA wishes for, he can finish and close out a game better than most players in the league...5 seconds left and I want Melo or Durant to have the ball in their hands, no one else...

no I am not wrong.. I said I would build around lebron, that is a no brainer.. bird.. a no brainer, even durant, because of the way they play, they play a different game than the typical volume shooting SF, like nique, and carmelo... I would build around pierce because he is also a facilitator and a defender.. so yes, I build around those guys.. Bird averaged close to 7 dimes in most years, and we know what lebron does, those guys played the role of point forward, they made guys around them more effective... remember when dantoni tried to get pumpkin head to play PF, he hated it.. of course, because it meant he had to pass...so.......

carmelo is a chucker, s NO, I don't build around him......

Brilliant. So you've identified a whole 4 players in the space of 35 years or so you'd build around. That's a tremendous plan of building a team you've got there.

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:TKF,

Your circumvention of the facts in your arguments are comical and extremely partisan.

Not everyone is capable of being rational.

Have fun in la la land.

Kobe had Shaq, Gasol, Bynum and PJAX

Wade had Lebron, Bosh and Shaq

Pierce had KG, Allen and Rondo

Melo had uh uh um uh - CAMBY!! Yay - good point! Oh and of course Andre Miller! Did I mention that he had the HOF AI?

You might just not be capable of getting it (logically). Its like trying to teach a student with an IQ of 60.

here is where your argument fails.. you fail to recognize all of those guys were great in their own right, they were and are all better than carmelo...

your crutch is that they had one another.... and poor carmelo has no one.. well ask.. why in the hell did we ante up the farm to get him...

For the billionth time, lets check the "farm", shall we?

Felton - back on the team for next to nothing, Check
Gallo - injured, sporadic scoring at best, 3pt game in Denver's last playoff closeout loss. Now has something to say about the Knicks. 2 years later. Check
Wilson - China's greatest free agent. Injured. Check
Moz - who? Possibly Denver's greatest 3rd string center ever. This decade's greatest Fred Weis moment. Check

tkf, your hate is blindingly apparent. Let it go. You'll live longer and happier. Guarantee your blood pressure will go down 10 points.

Just sayin.

WE ALSO gave up 4 picks.... two young talented player, a young big, we also lost Anthony randolph in the deal and gave them a huge salary dump by moving curry elsewhere.. yes we gave up the farm for a guy,everyone admits can't beat the teams with real superstars on it..

why should I leave it alone?

Reasons to leave it alone:

1) You continue to get your facts wrong, since hate normally causes blurred vision: It's 3 picks, not 4.
New York's 2014 first-round pick = should be great, since we're in the playoffs 3 years in a row by then.
Golden State's 2012 second-round pick = 6.8 points and 5.2 rebounds in five games in summer league; watch out Lebron!
Golden State's 2013 second-round pick = who knows, seriously, who cares? We talkin' bout the second round?? Second Round???

2) You continue exacerbating your reading comprehension problems:
Gallo is injured, and is a possible great 6th man at his best moments.
Wilson is injured and missed all of last season. Are you maintaining that Gallo + Mayor =

two young talented player

on the IR?
The young big is sitting behind most of the front court in Denver and will most likely continue to do so.

3) Please stop talking about Anthony Randolph. He's in witness protection; you could be endangering a life.

4) Mentioning moving ECurry as a possible negative in any scenario instantaneously destroys whatever credibility you hope to build.

5) You forgot the $3 million we gave away as well. Maybe some of those dollars meant higher hot dog prices at MSG, huh?

We've recieved a top 10 player who finishes games like no one we've had since BK.
Deal with it and move on already.

1) You continue to get your facts wrong, since hate normally causes blurred vision: It's 3 picks, not 4.
New York's 2014 first-round pick = should be great, since we're in the playoffs 3 years in a row by then.
Golden State's 2012 second-round pick = 6.8 points and 5.2 rebounds in five games in summer league; watch out Lebron!
Golden State's 2013 second-round pick = who knows, seriously, who cares? We talkin' bout the second round?? Second Round???

LOL.. Ok, so 3 pics, still horrible to give up here, and I can't believe you tried to associate their pick with what we would have picked.. that is hilarious.. rofl...

as far as the future picks, stop trying to devalue those picks.. it really is reaching bro.... fields was a second round pick, who turned out to be a pretty darn good player..

Second round? second round? you sound like iverson.. Practice? practice? yea, I mean who cares about those things.. right?

The Iverson Practice reference was the point. Fields was a pretty darn good player??? You'd rather have this underhyped non-shooting SG than an "overhyped chucker"? Seriously interesting opinion. What do you miss most, the pregame ritual with Lin, the Landry and Andy show, or a starting NBA player who looks like you taught him how to shoot?

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:
3) Please stop talking about Anthony Randolph. He's in witness protection; you could be endangering a life.

if Denver is witness protection, then excuse me..LOL..

AR rookie year: 7.9ppg and 5.8 rpg
AR last year: 7.4ppg and 3.6 rpg

You look upon this as one of the strengths of your argument? You laugh. You funny. Ha ha.

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:
4) Mentioning moving ECurry as a possible negative in any scenario instantaneously destroys whatever credibility you hope to build.

hmmm seems like most knicks fans brought into isiah's " expiring deals have value crap" now curry's expiring was useless right? ok, ask denver that, as they go out and fill their team with the room we gave them....

Seriously, you're trying to say moving Eddy Curry, no matter what the cost, was a move you'd take back? Think slowly. Did you want to keep Jerome James too? Do you miss Marbles? Do you miss IT? Does your hate know no coherent bounds?

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:
We've recieved a top 10 player who finishes games like no one we've had since BK.
Deal with it and move on already.

top 10 in your eyes, and tell me, how well has finishing games worked for us.. we have a worse record than the team we sent our useless players and picks to.. I rather have them back.... with the better record..

you can have the overhyped chucker...

Would you rather be in the Western Conference, too? You honestly think Denver as constituted has a better record in the Eastern Conference than us? Another issue with your hate is you can't make honest comparisons.

come on man, stop creating arguments, I mentioned Ar simply because he is on a NBA roster and he had some value, you simply are making this out to be that the knicks gave away nothing to get carmelo.. well if that is the case what does that say about carmelo? In fact the knicks gave away too much and let me ask you this...

why haven't the knicks been better than the team we traded those guys away to? you can't run away from tha....so

I will leave you with that...

Come on man, no one's bothering to create additional arguments, because you can't answer at least one of the questions I raise. Don't you see that you make absolutely no sense?

AR has some value?

Denver is better than the Knicks?

How about the Red Bulls? Are they better than the Knicks?

Gallo and Mayor and Moz are better than Melo?

Stop LOLing and think for a second.

Denver is better... they had a better record in a tougher confrence.. they are better to this point...

And yes gallo, mayor and moz are better than melo... I rather have them.. melo is a scorer, who doesn't pass defend or make anyone better.. collectively no question I will take back the trade.. without a doubt...

can you tell me how we have benefited from this trade to this point.. and please don't sell me myths about him being a top 10 player.. How in the hell has carmelo benefited us? how?

Stop LOLing and think for a second.

I am laughing because you are playing dodge ball.... Denver had a better record than us.. HOW ARE WE BETTER?????

what benefit has carmelo been to us so far.. this is what I want you to answer... forget all of the other side barring and stick to the points.. How are we better for trading the farm for the chucker? HOW!

I don't want to hear we may be better, that we have the "best pure scorer" another LOL, I want to hear how are we better after this trade....

I come to you jrod and I give you gallo, who was a lottery pick, I give you chandler, another lottery talent, I give you a ton of cap space, an unprotected first round pick, two pretty good second round picks from the warriors, I lose another young player in AR in the deal, and I ask you, JROD, how is this deal going to make me better now..

All you have to tell me is "stop LOling" and some BS about the red bulls.. I am asking you, after I traded all of my assets how am I better when I look over at the team we traded the assets to, and they are better than us.. their record said so!!

Denver 38-28

Knicks 36-30

can we just start there with that?

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:Sunday December 9th,...Denver comes to town...George Karl yapping..Gallo yapping...Love it...

And thus far Gallo has held his own and/or OWNED..... stats and "eye test" don't lie.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320121018

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300323018

Time for the Chipmunk to put the Rooster in his place once and for all time

Ha...one game...Gallo got his rocks off against the Knicks and managed to average 15 pts for the entire season....No doubt this next game will have a little more meaning...

he owned the knicks, better yet, he took a dump on carmelo... that was gold right there.....

until he get's out of the 1st round, he should stfu and worry about his team.

This coming from a fan of a Team with a player who has only been out of the first round once(under the same skitzo coach referred to earlier in the thread) heralded as Lebron like by fan boys, best "PURE SCORER"(when he's not) of the nba, referring to himself as the leader(which he isn't) of the Knicks and that he feels it's his time(to be determined)

Melo should zip it until the end results prove he's a leader and that it is truly his time and if he can do it in a team environment lead the NBA in scoring for once in his life. Make an ALL NBA First Team at least once. SHEESH...Hella Overrated if I ever saw one

Whats up with these propaganda, black-n-white posts? Melo only made it out of the 1st round once, but you fail to mention that just about every team he played against, the Nuggs didn't have home-court and weren't favored to lose. Not to mention losing to the Spurs and Lakers most of the times....

Trying to piggy back on the counter argument when Duroz is going at a guy who has only been in the past-season twice and wasn't favored to beat OKC or the Lakers when he did?

Please explain why the Melo led Nuggets lost to The Clippers(who most Knick fans deride whenever the chance presents itself as the worst franchise ever) and to the Deron led Jazz? That could have been 2 additional times he made it out and who knows how far they could have went. Melo led Nuggets had a trend and a low ceiling....this we know because evidence exist and is set in stone.

There's nothing black and white about the posts. Facts are facts. Yes Gallo hasn't been out of the first round(not a Superstar, not a Top 10 player) and our Superstar(debatable) perceived Top 10 player has only done it 1 time in like 9 tries, which means no need to bring up the "get out of the first round" garbage! As if that's a Gold Standard or something

Not sure why you felt it was necessary to bring up how poorly the Clips were run in the past. That detail has nothing to do with how potent that '06 version of the Clips were. Not only did they have homecourt advantage, but they had a better-more balanced roster than the Nuggs that year. Sam Cassell, Elton Brand (who dropped 25 per in '06) a young Maggette, Chris Kaman who nearly averaged a double-double, Cat Mobley and Radmonovic. In fact, that team had 6 players average double figures that year. That team also had a young Sean Livingston. As I said, they were the better team.

I'll give you the Jazz. The Nuggs had homecourt and should have won the series. Melo averaged 31 per, but it wasn't enough. Bad defeat, no excuses there.

Again you can bring up the 1-9 tries example, but you have to present All of the Facts. This is the BBall court, not the court of law.

Explain how Lebron took a crappy Cavs roster year after year and advanced and advanced and advanced against more balanced opponent rosters? See that doesn't fly when the words ELITE are thrown around when mentioning Melo. He should have been good enough to beat the Clippers. Sam Cassell was out of his prime but yes Brand was very good that year(MVP candidate and ALL NBA teamer) but let's not go without mentioning the Nuggets roster....

Melo>Brand(right?)
Najera>Rad
Camby>Kaman(right?)
Miller=Cassell

Patterson<Cat
Kleiza<Maggette
Buckner=Ross
Earl Boykins>Livingston(yes Boykins was better than Livi that year LMAO @ mentioning him like he was on some Phenom ish)
Reggie Evans>Rebraca(this one is by a wide margin)

You crutch home court advantage? So let me get this straight if we don't get a 4th seed this season are you saying we're primed to lose in the first round without it?

He was trash that series. Melo had 4 games where his FGA matched or exceeded his overall point total. Definition of Chuckster. He only lead his team to 1 win, he didn't even help them push the Clippers a max of 7gms.

Explain how Lebron took a crappy Cavs roster year after year and advanced and advanced and advanced against more balanced opponent rosters? See that doesn't fly when the words ELITE are thrown around when mentioning Melo.

Stop it!!! Lebron James is the best player of this generation. Comparing Melo to him is assinine. There is a huge difference between being a top 10-15 player as Melo is and being Number 1 as Lebron is.

Melo>Brand(right?)
Najera>Rad
Camby>Kaman(right?)
Miller=Cassell

Patterson<Cat
Kleiza<Maggette
Buckner=Ross
Earl Boykins>Livingston(yes Boykins was better than Livi that year LMAO @ mentioning him like he was on some Phenom ish)
Reggie Evans>Rebraca(this one is by a wide margin)

Why are you comparing player vs. player? This is basketball, a team sport, not tennis. Maybe the Clips were a better overall team because they were better defensively: The Clips held opponents to 95 pts per that year on 43% shooting. Not to mention they outrebounded their opponents. The Nuggs gave up 100 pts per on 45% shooting. I believe the Nuggs were outrebounded by the opposition that year aswell.

Basketball novice always compare roster to roster to see who has the better team, which is typical for an average or young fan. But those who really understand the nuances of the game know that its deeper than that. Compare the Bulls roster to the Pacers roster over the last 2 years and on paper the Pacers would win out. But on the court its a different ball game. How do you measure defense, hustle chemistry and coaching on paper?

You crutch home court advantage? So let me get this straight if we don't get a 4th seed this season are you saying we're primed to lose in the first round without it?

If you are the 6th or 7th seed, give up homecourt to the likes of the Lakers and Spurs (who beat the Nuggs twice in the playoffs for a combined 4 times) then yes its tough.

Now, lets go a step further. Since 2003, the 4th seed has beat the 5th seed in the first round of the playoffs 12 out of 18 times. The 4th and 5th seeds are usually pretty close record-wise during the reg-season so that’s still a pretty dominant record for the 4th seed. The 3rd seed has beat the 6th seed 13 out of 18 times. So to answer your question, if we dont get a 4th seed are we primed to lose? The numbers say, most likely. Teams with the better records during regular season are probably just better than the teams with the lower records. Just saying.

Now, you can commence to LOL'ing and LYAO's.....

I agree with him 100 percent on that but we haven't reached that point...yet. I don't agree with anyone comparing Melo to someone who has yet to prove that he is more than a borderline starter. Gallo might turn out to be something special but until he's shown that he is close to the player that Melo is, the comparisons should end. Not that it will.

jrodmc wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:C'mon guys comparing Melo to Gallo? I believe Gallo was speaking of the mindset that any owner would have to allow a sexual harasser, a failure as an executive on pretty much every level, and someone who threw his own daughter under the bus to clear his name, to return to any organization.

I agree with him 100 percent on that but we haven't reached that point...yet. I don't agree with anyone comparing Melo to someone who has yet to prove that he is more than a borderline starter. Gallo might turn out to be something special but until he's shown that he is close to the player that Melo is, the comparisons should end. Not that it will.

And don't forget, coupled with the power of Wilson and Moz, and second round draft picks, the Nuggets as a franchise now make us look like a high school basketball team, talent-wise.

Also stay tuned to Raptorville for that first ballot HOF'er, that "pretty darned good player", Landry Fields!

Welcome to tkf world. LOL...LMAO...ROFL

Most of those guys are going to be trivia questions in a few years. I understand Melo getting some flack but not this much.

GustavBahler wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:C'mon guys comparing Melo to Gallo? I believe Gallo was speaking of the mindset that any owner would have to allow a sexual harasser, a failure as an executive on pretty much every level, and someone who threw his own daughter under the bus to clear his name, to return to any organization.

I agree with him 100 percent on that but we haven't reached that point...yet. I don't agree with anyone comparing Melo to someone who has yet to prove that he is more than a borderline starter. Gallo might turn out to be something special but until he's shown that he is close to the player that Melo is, the comparisons should end. Not that it will.

And don't forget, coupled with the power of Wilson and Moz, and second round draft picks, the Nuggets as a franchise now make us look like a high school basketball team, talent-wise.

Also stay tuned to Raptorville for that first ballot HOF'er, that "pretty darned good player", Landry Fields!

Welcome to tkf world. LOL...LMAO...ROFL

Most of those guys are going to be trivia questions in a few years. I understand Melo getting some flack but not this much.

yea they will be, the question will be, who are the young players the knicks traded in which turned out to be the worst trade not only in knick history, but the NBA? you are 100% correct

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:C'mon guys comparing Melo to Gallo? I believe Gallo was speaking of the mindset that any owner would have to allow a sexual harasser, a failure as an executive on pretty much every level, and someone who threw his own daughter under the bus to clear his name, to return to any organization.

I agree with him 100 percent on that but we haven't reached that point...yet. I don't agree with anyone comparing Melo to someone who has yet to prove that he is more than a borderline starter. Gallo might turn out to be something special but until he's shown that he is close to the player that Melo is, the comparisons should end. Not that it will.

And don't forget, coupled with the power of Wilson and Moz, and second round draft picks, the Nuggets as a franchise now make us look like a high school basketball team, talent-wise.

Also stay tuned to Raptorville for that first ballot HOF'er, that "pretty darned good player", Landry Fields!

Welcome to tkf world. LOL...LMAO...ROFL

Most of those guys are going to be trivia questions in a few years. I understand Melo getting some flack but not this much.

yea they will be, the question will be, who are the young players the knicks traded in which turned out to be the worst trade not only in knick history, but the NBA? you are 100% correct

I'm sorry TKF, the correct answer was "Who were the mostly inconsequential players who were traded for one of the best scorers in NBA history".

I want to thank you for playing, but you're not going empty handed. You are taking home a month supply of Rice a Roni, the San Francisco treat, a gift certificate from Botany 500, and a version of our home game! Thanks for playing.

I've known "internet" TkF for YEARS now and the kid hasn't changed one bit. He has his POV on something and it will never change regardless of how illogical it may sound. In his mind he is always right and everyone else is wrong.

Right now, I'm willing to bet that he HOPES the Knicks fail this season so he can come back and tell everyone "I told you so".

Swishfm3 wrote:For the life of me, I dont understand why people insist on arguing with TkF.

I've known "internet" TkF for YEARS now and the kid hasn't changed one bit. He has his POV on something and it will never change regardless of how illogical it may sound. In his mind he is always right and everyone else is wrong.

Right now, I'm willing to bet that he HOPES the Knicks fail this season so he can come back and tell everyone "I told you so".

and the kid swish keeps telling people to not argue with me, yet it seems to bother him the most.. that is funny.. the KID swish tells people to ignore someone, he can't..... nice going.. KID...

Right now, I'm willing to bet that he HOPES the Knicks fail this season so he can come back and tell everyone "I told you so".

nah, that has never been my style, I just enjoy watching the homers backtrack..... and disappear, like you often do..

regardless of how illogical it may sound.

illogical, I am asking a simple question.. we traded trash for the "BEST PUUUUUUUUUUURE SCORER IN THE HISTORY OF BASKETBALL" why are we not better than the team we traded the trash to?

is that illogical?

i trade in my beater for a Brand new Bimmer.. my bimmer runs no better than my beater.... is it illogical to ask why?