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Nalod
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9/4/2012  10:49 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
muhaha wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Anybody who thinks that playing in a small market is just as profitable as playing in a big market is dumb or being naive.

It's such a no brainer, that I won't even put into details how it makes so much $ense..

Yoa didn't have much of a choice when it came to where he wanted to play, and that goes for any player who was drafted by a small market team..

You think if Yao had his choice to play in Houston or NY, he would have chose houston..

Tyson chandler, Amare and Melo have recieved much more endorsements since signing with the knicks..

You lost all credibility without doing any research.

Carmelo
New York 2011 $6 million
Denver 2010 $6 million
Denver 2009 $5 million

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/specials/fortunate50-2011/
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/specials/fortunate50-2010/
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/specials/fortunate50-2009/

Amare Has been getting into fashion (he's coming out with is own jean vest i think) and has been at fashion wk in mahattan since joining the knicks, Tyson chandler just sign on with FUSE Science http://sportsbusinessdigest.com/2012/08/knicks-tyson-chandler-joins-fuse-science/

I don't need to do research because like I said, it's a no brainer..

From the website link you provided:

Chandler joins an ever growing FuseScience roster that includes PGA star Tiger Woods, Red Sox star David Ortiz, and Toronto Blue Jays star Jose Bautista. Chandler, is apparently all ready using FuseScience products in conjunction with his workouts, and looks forward to what the company has to offer in the future,

Tiger has been toxic, Big Poppi not exactly a household name. Toronto Blue Jays best players, and not Tyson!

Not exactly the "A" list, but no doubt a nice group of accomplished athletes.

IM not seeing "big market players" as the common link.

Tyson won a championship in Dallas, An olympic metal with team USA and was the Defensive player of the year. Playing in NY really help him? Tyson is a "winner"!

Knicks if anything are not exactly a franchise that exudes "winning".

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9/4/2012  11:41 PM
muhaha wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Anybody who thinks that playing in a small market is just as profitable as playing in a big market is dumb or being naive.

It's such a no brainer, that I won't even put into details how it makes so much $ense..

Yoa didn't have much of a choice when it came to where he wanted to play, and that goes for any player who was drafted by a small market team..

You think if Yao had his choice to play in Houston or NY, he would have chose houston..

Tyson chandler, Amare and Melo have recieved much more endorsements since signing with the knicks..

You lost all credibility without doing any research.

Carmelo
New York 2011 $6 million
Denver 2010 $6 million
Denver 2009 $5 million

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/specials/fortunate50-2011/
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/specials/fortunate50-2010/
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/specials/fortunate50-2009/

cc sabathia 2011 endorsement total is only 50k more than the twins joe mauer (800k to 750k).

a possible up to date listing: http://www.therichest.org/sports/forbes-highest-paid-athletes/
this one has mauer at 4 mill in endorsements, and cc still at 800k.
durant is at 13 mill in endorsements. if you have some talent and even better win, you can make money wherever you happen to play your game

the days where you had to be in a big city to get the endorsement $ is long gone.

GO TEAM VENTURE!!!!!
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9/5/2012  12:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/5/2012  12:50 AM
holfresh wrote:http://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2012/07/18/jeremy-lin-may-be-the-dumbest-harvard-grad-ever/2/


Sorry for the harsh headline, but I’m having a hard time coming up with any other conclusion. While I haven’t checked the Harvard core curriculum lately, it must surely be light on math, psychology and logic, and completely devoid of Marketing 101. How else to explain the self-destructive actions of its most famous basketball alum, Jeremy Lin, who has taken the global phenomenon known as Linsanity and doused it with kerosene.


After last night’s decision by the New York Knicks to let him walk to the Houston Rockets, almost all of the analysis has focused on Knicks owner Jim Dolan. He faced a vexing dilemma, given the back-loaded contract offer from the Houston Rockets that would have forced the Knicks to effectively pay $50 million for Lin’s services three years hence. (My friend Howard Beck of the New York Times provides a useful primer here.) How do you weigh Lin’s basketball and marketing potential against a very small sample set (he’s started all of 25 games in his career) and also against not just what he would be paid, but the larger ramifications of his contract down the line? Given that the adjectives associated with Dolan, backed up a dysfunctional track record, generally include illogical, vindictive, paranoid and dumb (and because I’m a lifelong Knicks fan, I’m being kind), he’s predictably being ripped apart.

In the end, though, I’m more fascinated by the choices Lin made. Dolan will be rich and reviled no matter what he does. Lin may have signed a big contract, but he also just provided the folks at Harvard Business School with a brilliant case study how to cost yourself millions of dollars and scads of influence when you’re not looking at the big picture.

To review, the point guard’s scrub-to-star rise in February – Linsanity! — has arguably been the best sports story of the year, played out on one of the biggest stages, Madison Square Garden. But the NBA’s complicated labor rules forced Lin to shop around his services in order to maximize his next contract with the Knicks. At first, he did so brilliantly, according to numerous reports, originally getting Houston to offer him roughly $5 million for his first two years of his contract (the maximum anyone was allowed), and then a $9 million balloon in the third year, with a team option for a fourth.

Various Knicks sources, including their coach, playing poker as deftly as a late-night drunk at Circus Circus, announced that they would match it, and that was presumably that. A global marketing machine would remain in the global marketing capital, as had been his goal all along, Lin just told Sports Illustrated.

And this where Lin flunked miserably. After the clumsy Knicks showed their hand, Lin and Houston agreed to add another $5 million to his guaranteed salary in third year – a true poison pill, since that extra $5 million would cost the Knicks an extra $20 million or so, courtesy of the NBA’s punitive new luxury tax, atop the effective $30 million bite they had already internalized.

I get why Houston did it. But why did Lin, as an equal party to the new offer, go along? I can only offer two theories:

Financial Certainty: With the revised offer, Lin guaranteed himself an extra $5 million in his pocket, three years from now. That’s serious scratch for a man who had been sleeping on his brother’s couch earlier this year. And given legitimate worries that he was way overperforming during his magical 25 game coming out, taking the sure thing now makes some sense.

But why structure it in a way so punitive to New York? If it was all about certainty, Lin could have instead tried to guarantee that fourth year (or even a fifth year). At $9 million per, that’s way more downside protection, yet spreading it out in a way that didn’t push the Knicks toward the fiscal cliff.

As for the upside, forcing the Knicks to even consider ending his tenure in New York is the truest definition of Linsanity. If Lin is even 80% as good as he showed in flashes last season, fronting a very good, very hyped Knicks team had the potential to bring him tens of millions in endorsements. But as Steve Herz, who cuts celebrity endorsement deals as president of IF Management previously told my colleague Tom Van Riper: “Lin leading the Charlotte Bobcats back to respectability wouldn’t be that interesting. It’s not something that Coca-Cola is going to play $10 million for.”

Insert “Houston Rockets” into that sentence, and you get Lin’s new reality. Rather than the golden boy on an obsessed-over team in the world’s media capital, he’s now an above-average player on a below-average team in a low-profile city.

Yes, Yao Ming made the Rockets popular in China. It’s another reason why Houston made a smart move here. But it doesn’t do much for Lin.

Ego: If you believe “sources close to Lin,” he was offended that the Knicks didn’t court him pro-actively (ignoring the fact that the way the system was set up, they needed to let someone else make an offer if he wanted more money). Compounding matters, when he sent out a Tweet trying to clarify, Lin said that such blind item stories are “probably not” true – the kind of squishy response that conjures the classic celebrity “I’m sorry if anyone was offended” apology.

Others have posited that he wanted to be the go-to guy on his team, versus share with ball hog Carmelo Anthony and the rest of the star-laden Knicks.

Even speculation in these areas damages Lin’s brand. People didn’t fall in love with Lin because he was a star player. They loved him because he’s an underdog, he was humble and he won. The choice he just made, amid the circus he helped create, undermines all of those attributes.

Last night, as I watched SportsCenter, the anchors declared these developments as the formal “end of Linsanity.” But it’s more accurate to say that Jeremy Lin sold it for a $5 million note three years from now – a monumentally foolish price for a brand that could have been golden.


I've posted this Sh_ _ nearly 2 months ago,

its being talked about here now Sept. 2012
*lol

http://mads.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=42667

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9/5/2012  6:23 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
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knickscity wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Lin made bog plays under woodson when we beat Indy back to back by the way and he was hurt. You guys cant act like he was garbage once MDA quit. The Knicks were 6-1 under Woodson with melo, amare and lin finally on the court together. And they were not just winning they were destroying teams.

And that is fact

I won't deny that, I have said Lin is a good player, I just don't like him as a basketball player.

There's other in the league I don't like as well, he played very well overall when given the chance, but I'm not gonna pretend that every time the Knicks lost a game Lin was free and clear.

At some point during the season, all the starters cost the team some games, Lin included.

yes Lin might of cost them 2 games of the 35 he played in all year. I'm pretty sure Kobe and Lebron cost their teams a few games last year too

Now this is where you have take the Lin-tinted glasses off. Comparing Lin to Kobe and Lebron is so comical it's kinda amusing.


How about I change it to Chris Paul and Deron Williams. My point is you cant keep harping on a few bad games

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9/5/2012  6:26 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
knickscity wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Lin made bog plays under woodson when we beat Indy back to back by the way and he was hurt. You guys cant act like he was garbage once MDA quit. The Knicks were 6-1 under Woodson with melo, amare and lin finally on the court together. And they were not just winning they were destroying teams.

And that is fact

I won't deny that, I have said Lin is a good player, I just don't like him as a basketball player.

There's other in the league I don't like as well, he played very well overall when given the chance, but I'm not gonna pretend that every time the Knicks lost a game Lin was free and clear.

At some point during the season, all the starters cost the team some games, Lin included.

yes Lin might of cost them 2 games of the 35 he played in all year. I'm pretty sure Kobe and Lebron cost their teams a few games last year too

Now this is where you have take the Lin-tinted glasses off. Comparing Lin to Kobe and Lebron is so comical it's kinda amusing.

To be fair, I don't think he is comparing them. He is simply stating that even the top stars cost their teams games. It is a weak argument though.

I am still waiting for someone to tell me that shooting 45-125 against > .500 competition is not mediocre and that he still remains unproven.

Everyone runs away when this is brought up.

I think that he can do better and be a good PG, better than a good backup like larry brown says, but - he still has much to prove. We will see shortly.

after you explain how we lost to all those bad teams and lost to cleveland late in the year when we desperately needed the game to avoid miami. It is the NBA a win is a win. There are no easy wins especially when you are missing both melo and amare. And leading a team of Fields, Walker and JEffries

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9/5/2012  8:00 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/5/2012  8:11 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
knickscity wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Lin made bog plays under woodson when we beat Indy back to back by the way and he was hurt. You guys cant act like he was garbage once MDA quit. The Knicks were 6-1 under Woodson with melo, amare and lin finally on the court together. And they were not just winning they were destroying teams.

And that is fact

I won't deny that, I have said Lin is a good player, I just don't like him as a basketball player.

There's other in the league I don't like as well, he played very well overall when given the chance, but I'm not gonna pretend that every time the Knicks lost a game Lin was free and clear.

At some point during the season, all the starters cost the team some games, Lin included.

yes Lin might of cost them 2 games of the 35 he played in all year. I'm pretty sure Kobe and Lebron cost their teams a few games last year too

Now this is where you have take the Lin-tinted glasses off. Comparing Lin to Kobe and Lebron is so comical it's kinda amusing.

To be fair, I don't think he is comparing them. He is simply stating that even the top stars cost their teams games. It is a weak argument though.
I am still waiting for someone to tell me that shooting 45-125 against > .500 competition is not mediocre and that he still remains unproven.
Everyone runs away when this is brought up.

I think that he can do better and be a good PG, better than a good backup like larry brown says, but - he still has much to prove. We will see shortly.

after you explain how we lost to all those bad teams and lost to cleveland late in the year when we desperately needed the game to avoid miami. It is the NBA a win is a win. There are no easy wins especially when you are missing both melo and amare. And leading a team of Fields, Walker and JEffries

Actually, I think is a valid point, I mean how many games did Carmelo cost the Knicks last year?

As far as Lin shooting poorly, I can give you a list of players who shot poorly in their first couple of years and went on to become All Stars. I’m not saying that Lin will be an All Star (is too early), but whenever you evaluate him, you most also consider his young age and the position he plays.

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9/5/2012  8:32 AM
I thought what he did might speak to his potential. Does he have the desire? Can he learn? Was his athletic numbers (raw) good.


They all were.

I thought he'd be a good investment. Too bad dolan sees "deceptive" practice instead of potential.

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9/9/2012  1:57 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/9/2012  2:02 AM
muhaha wrote:This writer is as stupid as they come without doing any research whatsoever. I can't believe he works for Fobes Magazine.

Facts:
- Top 10 athletes who earned the most in endorsements, not one of them played for a New York team or live in New York City.
- Carmelo's endorsements earning hadn't increased a bit by going from Denver to New York.

Playing in New York doesn't guarantee big endorsements, and not playing in New York doesn't automatically guarantee athelete wont get big endorsements.

Ask LeBron, Kevin G, Tom Brady, D12, Wade, Payton Manning how not playing in New York had affected their endorsements!

Edit: Wade and Lebron made a combine of 44 million last year....together in a small market city called Miami!

PWNING left and right, thank you. Besides, we have Felton. You know, the Felton who played well when D'antoni was here. Woodson is basically the anti-D'antoni, but yes, we've got Felton the pitbull. To be fair, his role will be limited anyway since Kidd will be getting more minutes, even if he's not starting.

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9/9/2012  9:36 AM
biglove44 wrote:
muhaha wrote:This writer is as stupid as they come without doing any research whatsoever. I can't believe he works for Fobes Magazine.

Facts:
- Top 10 athletes who earned the most in endorsements, not one of them played for a New York team or live in New York City.
- Carmelo's endorsements earning hadn't increased a bit by going from Denver to New York.

Playing in New York doesn't guarantee big endorsements, and not playing in New York doesn't automatically guarantee athelete wont get big endorsements.

Ask LeBron, Kevin G, Tom Brady, D12, Wade, Payton Manning how not playing in New York had affected their endorsements!

Edit: Wade and Lebron made a combine of 44 million last year....together in a small market city called Miami!

PWNING left and right, thank you. Besides, we have Felton. You know, the Felton who played well when D'antoni was here. Woodson is basically the anti-D'antoni, but yes, we've got Felton the pitbull. To be fair, his role will be limited anyway since Kidd will be getting more minutes, even if he's not starting.

Felton did well for Larry Brown who Woodson is basically an understudy for.

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9/10/2012  3:51 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
biglove44 wrote:
muhaha wrote:This writer is as stupid as they come without doing any research whatsoever. I can't believe he works for Fobes Magazine.

Facts:
- Top 10 athletes who earned the most in endorsements, not one of them played for a New York team or live in New York City.
- Carmelo's endorsements earning hadn't increased a bit by going from Denver to New York.

Playing in New York doesn't guarantee big endorsements, and not playing in New York doesn't automatically guarantee athelete wont get big endorsements.

Ask LeBron, Kevin G, Tom Brady, D12, Wade, Payton Manning how not playing in New York had affected their endorsements!

Edit: Wade and Lebron made a combine of 44 million last year....together in a small market city called Miami!

PWNING left and right, thank you. Besides, we have Felton. You know, the Felton who played well when D'antoni was here. Woodson is basically the anti-D'antoni, but yes, we've got Felton the pitbull. To be fair, his role will be limited anyway since Kidd will be getting more minutes, even if he's not starting.

Felton did well for Larry Brown who Woodson is basically an understudy for.

Felton's production was better under D'antoni, as long people don't expect that, he'll be fine.

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