NUPE wrote:Lin should be able to stat pad, while losing, in Hou. This means we are gonna have these Lin threads all damn year and possibly for the next few years. SMH.

Stat pad? Hey, why didn't Felton stat pad?

Lin took a bunch of nobodies and made them play as a team. Everybody's numbers went up. Novak was reborn. Whether or not we agree with what management did, we shouldn't slide the guy under a bus. My eyes didn't lie. That kid brought more excitement back to the Knicks than any of our current players (and it's not even close) or any player going back quite a few years. He has that "it" factor.

holfresh wrote:Lin didn't want to play for the Knicks...If Lin wanted to be a Knick, he would be...JR wanted to be here, Novak wanted to be here...U have guys in the NBA demanding trades to teams they wanted to play for...Lin was a restricted free agent and could have made sure he remained a Knick...You guys really think the Knicks would prefer to keep Novak and not keep Lin...

maybe had he had the support of all of his teamates and the so called "leader" of this team, he would have felt more comfortable.. doesn't help to have two teamates talk negatively about your contract...

Knicks told him to go out and get a number. Rockets gave him a crazy contract. At that moment a franchinse is now telling you your the cornerstone going forward.

Lin will be an allstar with the votes he'll likely get in the same manner Yao Ming got. His stats will inflate on a likley Rocket team this year.

Rockets are looking longer term than this season. Maybe Knicks have devised a way to starphuck CP3 here and Lins contract would block it?

Im sure if he succeeds in Houstan and Felton struggles we'll lament.

Lovers be prepared but really you need not defend Dolan and the knicks. It was a shytty thing to happen.

If the KNicks are as good as some of you are touting then Lin becomes a non issue. If not then eat ESPN ranking crow and enjoy the games.

Being wrong is not the end of the world. GM's and teams do it all the time. Its part of the business.

Best scenario is Lin succeeds as does the knicks.

Nalod wrote:Lovers are trying to spin it that Lin didn't want to be here?

Knicks told him to go out and get a number. Rockets gave him a crazy contract. At that moment a franchinse is now telling you your the cornerstone going forward.

Lin will be an allstar with the votes he'll likely get in the same manner Yao Ming got. His stats will inflate on a likley Rocket team this year.

Rockets are looking longer term than this season. Maybe Knicks have devised a way to starphuck CP3 here and Lins contract would block it?

Im sure if he succeeds in Houstan and Felton struggles we'll lament.

Lovers be prepared but really you need not defend Dolan and the knicks. It was a shytty thing to happen.

If the KNicks are as good as some of you are touting then Lin becomes a non issue. If not then eat ESPN ranking crow and enjoy the games.

Being wrong is not the end of the world. GM's and teams do it all the time. Its part of the business.

Best scenario is Lin succeeds as does the knicks.

It's not spin, it's keeping it real...Others were able to work it out...If Lin wanted to be here, why was it impossible??..Why???...I'm sure we will hear about it the way we heard about Denver....Anyway it's not your 50 to 60 mil right??

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NUPE wrote:Lin should be able to stat pad, while losing, in Hou. This means we are gonna have these Lin threads all damn year and possibly for the next few years. SMH.

Stat pad? Hey, why didn't Felton stat pad?

Lin took a bunch of nobodies and made them play as a team. Everybody's numbers went up. Novak was reborn. Whether or not we agree with what management did, we shouldn't slide the guy under a bus. My eyes didn't lie. That kid brought more excitement back to the Knicks than any of our current players (and it's not even close) or any player going back quite a few years. He has that "it" factor.

It is generally stat padding if you are compiling stats on a bad/terrible team. Also, referring to as Melo and Amar'e as nobodies is pretty laughable. Both are far better players than Lin with proven track records.

Lin had a very good run as a Knick and I like him. However, the Knick's won plenty of games without Lin last year. They pushed their way into the playoffs without Lin. They did lose to the Heat in the playoffs, just like every other team the Heat faced in the playoffs. Also, they lost to the Heat while Lin sat on the bench at 85%. In comparison, Chandler played with an extreme case of the flu, Amar'e played with one hand (playoffs) and with a back injury throughout the regular season and Melo played injured for a large portion of the season.

This is sure getting interesting. You are basically already saying Lin is going to be putting up stats but it will just be "stat padding". But when a pg plays on a team with poor players and still gets assist, what is that called? Just preparing you . Seriously, what kind of argument is this? Felton did squat on a team with more talent, what does that tell you? I know, he wasn't thrilled to be there. Come on, you are paid millions, you give it your all.

Lin turned a bunch of nobodies into a team - I was talking about before Melo and Stat came back. Of course, as TKF said, it requires a few training camps for stars to play well together. Hopefully it doesn't take 3 training camps.

You DO NOT rush coming back from surgery, especially when talking about the knee. Please don't compare the Flu, self inflicted hand injuries or a misdiagnosed back injury - you are not doing your argument any justice.

Winning games and playing well as a team AND winning games are two different things (at least when you don't win it all). I do like the team. I do think we can have a good showing in the playoffs. But I am not sure we have that 1 - 2 scoring punch. It really depends on what Stat does. They let a sure #2 or #3 scorer go in Lin. When Stat goes to the bench we better hope JR hits the bottom of the net. Miami can afford to have one of the big 3 go to the bench at times. If our defense keeps improving maybe we join the group. But you don't let the 3rd year of a contract be the deciding factor when you have a lot of contracts and option to play with.

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CrushAlot wrote:If you are asking would I care if the Knicks decided to spend the money, no I don't, I would love to have him on the team. If you are asking why do I point out the rational for not resigning him it is because I have read a lot about it and I don't think it was an easy decision and I also don't think it was a reactionary one. I think that kind of money makes even billionaires blink and is a ridiculous sum to pay to have a guy that has only played 25 games in the nba. Resigning the guy to trade him or use the stretch provision make no sense to me. I have no ill will for Lin but I hope Moray's poison pill contracts to Lin and Asik somehow bite him in the @ss.

But why is this time different than every other time for Dolan? And do you really think that if the opportunity presents itself we won't be spending a similar amount of money on another player or combination of players?

This time is different because there is a new cba that is much more punitive and restrictive.

Right, but we're going to be over the luxury tax anyway so we're not avoiding the new restrictions by not resigning Lin.

your double negative is a little hard to follow but it does boil down to this: what Crush pointed out is correct and there are new restrictions in place and a LOT higher luxury tax formula IF Lin was resigned.

Yeah, that wasn't very clear. My point was, with or without Lin, we will be over the luxury tax.

so, just because MSG is already in debt, why try to show any further fiscal responsibility....yeah, makes perfect sense.

Who cares about fiscal responsibility when trying to win a championship? In terms of team success, fiscal responsibility matters when your team sucks and your trying to improve. When your team is, supposedly, a championship contender what is the point of saving on luxury tax? How does that help us to win? Why does it matter now when it has never mattered in the past: And MSG isn't in debt; the money spent on the Knicks is about 3% of its parent company's revenues. They easily could have afforded to pay the luxury tax on Lin and if he was even marginally effective Lin would have paid for his own contract by bringing in a ton of Chinese money.

easy for you to say when it's not effecting your pockets. Also, we are not yet a championship level team so, why put out Rondo money for a guy that hasn't earned it and, possibly isn't worth it.

It's always been easy for Dolan until it came to Lin, what was the difference this time? And if we're not a championship caliber team now then we're not going to be within the next three years. This team is what we're going to have for the foreseeable future so if we're not good enough we'll have to blow it up in three years anyway.

Since we got a core that should be in there prime for 4 or 5 more years, will end up like the 90's teams were were just going to keep changing the role players.

you have to care about the turnovers if you want to win a championship!

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knickstorrents wrote:Reason is because it was personal, not business

+10000000000000000000

and you know this how...because it was in the papers? Unless you heard it from Dolan or, your a mind reader, you don't know what your talking about. Like I said before, lots of telepaths posting here.

because people are judge on there past not there future (in most cases) they said they would match and they had every intentions on doing that until it became personal...

My agent tells me that the knicks are big on me and I believe they'll match anything. my agent calls the rockets and tells them, hey if your serious about retaining my client, you may have to up the $ cause your wasting your ink with that contract thats going to be match in the blink of an eye, I figure if you add a few more $ you will atleast have them 2nd guessing themselves..

The rockets lose nothing cause they can waive him in the 3rd year, trade him, or if he plays upto the potential, they have a franchise player..

it was a business move on the rockets part, and a personal decision on the knicks part..

why would the knicks commit to 3 pgs before committing to lin ?

Because they weren't going cost close to 50 mil dollars for a guy who broke down after 25 games...

I don't know about that..The guy goes from not playing at all to playing close to 40 mins 5 times a wk..with almost no rest in between time, no adjustment period..

MDA PGs during his knick tenure where breaking down after 3/4 months regardless..

fields was the only player to play 66 games on the knicks roster last season..

57.85 mil in year 3, no sign and trades, any trade has to be dollar for dollar so no relief from year three of that contract unless the knicks waive Lin and stretch the cost out over several years. Those numbers and the limited options the Knicks had after commiting to that contract are why it was ummatchable from a business prospective. I assume the commitment to 3 point guards includes Pablo's 1 year deal at 488,000. I would just take that right out of your argument. The Knicks got Pablo because they wanted him and he cost them nothing. Kidd was obtained to mentor Lin and both his and Felton's contracts are much more reasonable in my opinion.

did you ever think Joe johnson would be traded with that contract..EVERY CONTRACT in the NBA is tradable

If you are trading him in year 3, why sign him in the first place???...

because you get him for a great bargain in years 1 and 2!!!...

You are assuming he will be a great bargain at 5 mil per...He has zero track record to say this will be the case...Lin does not want to play here, if he wanted to be a Knick, he would still be a Knick...We all know this...He wants his own stage..He doesn't want to share it with Melo or Amare...Let's hope McHale run an offense for him to take 30 shots per game so he can revive Linsanity in Houston...Meanwhile we have the Heat, Boston and the rest of the hard charging East to worry about...Can't wait for the season to start....

I can't believe your saying that..this is the most humble guy on the planet, with a bunch of greedy agents who know business..How could a guy in the d-league 9 months ago want his own stage..

The stage was right here..it's alright for a pg to shoot 30 times if he has 12 dimes to go with it...and a win

Only the Nyets would have traded for Joe Johnson's contract. No one else would.