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DurzoBlint
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8/24/2012  9:43 AM
Nalod wrote:Nets won two championships in 74' and 76'. That makes it 2 and 42.

ABA championships are not world championships nor the quality of an NBA but fans do like it when they win championships. Do they count? Not if your "defending" the knicks and don't like the N*ts. Do the 74' or 76' team beat Dave Cowens Celtics? I seriously doubt it!

Dolan has not been in charge all 64 years so we don't "blame" his reign for all of history. Prokhorov has only owned the N*ts for two years.

I'd say the current ownerships should only be held accountable for the time they owned the team.

I think Dolan wants to win. I just think he lets his emotions drive decisions.

ABA should not be relevant to this thread. That's like bringing negro league stats to the MLB.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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VCoug
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8/24/2012  9:47 AM
DurzoBlint wrote:
infinitilov100 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Moonangie wrote:Props to the Russian mobster for calling him names and sticking out his tongue. Who cares if the Nyets have not won yet. They will (eventually) and it sucks to be the NY team racing them to not be known as the lamest hoops franchise in the City.

You're sort of right about two things:
1) Prokorov getting props for what he's good at. You need and deserve an owner who has that unique skill set.
2) No one cares if the Nyets win, because they won't.
3) It sucks for them because they already are the lamest hoops franchise in the City. Hands down. Although they might be tied for last with the Liberty.

Maybe we need a thread in the Nets forum about who might (or might not) win a chip before the Nyets:

Charlotte/New Orleans - Hornets (0 appearances)
Indiana - Pacers (1 appearance in NBA: 2000)
New Orleans/Utah - Jazz (2 appearances: 1997-1998)
Toronto - Raptors (0 appearances)
Minnesota - Timberwolves (0 appearances)
Cleveland- Cavaliers (1 appearance: 2007)
Vancouver/Memphis - Grizzlies (0 appearances)
Denver - Nuggets (0 appearances)
Orlando - Magic (2 appearances: 1995, 2009)
Phoenix - Suns (2 appearances: 1976, 1993)
San Diego/Los Angeles - Clippers (0 appearances)



We are orginal charter team and we only have two banners.

Lets not pretend we are some thick in legacy team.

Im not worried about other teams, Im worried about the Knicks!

Too bad Prokhorov did not buy the knicks!


I think we have the most non-championship winning seasons.

Two championship banners are better than the Nyets big fat zero.

BINGO

It really isn't anything to brag about, especially when our most recent was 40 years ago. Those two championships puts us on par with Houston and Philly and both of those teams have more recent ones than us.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
Bonn1997
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8/24/2012  9:52 AM
VCoug wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
infinitilov100 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Moonangie wrote:Props to the Russian mobster for calling him names and sticking out his tongue. Who cares if the Nyets have not won yet. They will (eventually) and it sucks to be the NY team racing them to not be known as the lamest hoops franchise in the City.

You're sort of right about two things:
1) Prokorov getting props for what he's good at. You need and deserve an owner who has that unique skill set.
2) No one cares if the Nyets win, because they won't.
3) It sucks for them because they already are the lamest hoops franchise in the City. Hands down. Although they might be tied for last with the Liberty.

Maybe we need a thread in the Nets forum about who might (or might not) win a chip before the Nyets:

Charlotte/New Orleans - Hornets (0 appearances)
Indiana - Pacers (1 appearance in NBA: 2000)
New Orleans/Utah - Jazz (2 appearances: 1997-1998)
Toronto - Raptors (0 appearances)
Minnesota - Timberwolves (0 appearances)
Cleveland- Cavaliers (1 appearance: 2007)
Vancouver/Memphis - Grizzlies (0 appearances)
Denver - Nuggets (0 appearances)
Orlando - Magic (2 appearances: 1995, 2009)
Phoenix - Suns (2 appearances: 1976, 1993)
San Diego/Los Angeles - Clippers (0 appearances)



We are orginal charter team and we only have two banners.

Lets not pretend we are some thick in legacy team.

Im not worried about other teams, Im worried about the Knicks!

Too bad Prokhorov did not buy the knicks!


I think we have the most non-championship winning seasons.

Two championship banners are better than the Nyets big fat zero.

BINGO

It really isn't anything to brag about, especially when our most recent was 40 years ago. Those two championships puts us on par with Houston and Philly and both of those teams have more recent ones than us.


We've had some good runs but overall a subpar franchise history - about 20 games below .500 and the fewest championships of the remaining original teams.
DurzoBlint
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8/24/2012  10:17 AM
VCoug wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
infinitilov100 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Moonangie wrote:Props to the Russian mobster for calling him names and sticking out his tongue. Who cares if the Nyets have not won yet. They will (eventually) and it sucks to be the NY team racing them to not be known as the lamest hoops franchise in the City.

You're sort of right about two things:
1) Prokorov getting props for what he's good at. You need and deserve an owner who has that unique skill set.
2) No one cares if the Nyets win, because they won't.
3) It sucks for them because they already are the lamest hoops franchise in the City. Hands down. Although they might be tied for last with the Liberty.

Maybe we need a thread in the Nets forum about who might (or might not) win a chip before the Nyets:

Charlotte/New Orleans - Hornets (0 appearances)
Indiana - Pacers (1 appearance in NBA: 2000)
New Orleans/Utah - Jazz (2 appearances: 1997-1998)
Toronto - Raptors (0 appearances)
Minnesota - Timberwolves (0 appearances)
Cleveland- Cavaliers (1 appearance: 2007)
Vancouver/Memphis - Grizzlies (0 appearances)
Denver - Nuggets (0 appearances)
Orlando - Magic (2 appearances: 1995, 2009)
Phoenix - Suns (2 appearances: 1976, 1993)
San Diego/Los Angeles - Clippers (0 appearances)



We are orginal charter team and we only have two banners.

Lets not pretend we are some thick in legacy team.

Im not worried about other teams, Im worried about the Knicks!

Too bad Prokhorov did not buy the knicks!


I think we have the most non-championship winning seasons.

Two championship banners are better than the Nyets big fat zero.

BINGO

It really isn't anything to brag about, especially when our most recent was 40 years ago. Those two championships puts us on par with Houston and Philly and both of those teams have more recent ones than us.

Doesn't matter. No matter how you spin it, 2 is superior to NONE. Whats arguable just as bad is how historically terrible they have been as an NBA franchise. In like my 20+years of fandom, they have been relevant and competitive for 5/6years.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
DurzoBlint
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8/24/2012  10:19 AM
that ^has got to be my last word on the subject....we have been bamboozled into talking about the Nets for 4pages
the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
VCoug
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8/24/2012  10:27 AM
DurzoBlint wrote:
VCoug wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
infinitilov100 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Moonangie wrote:Props to the Russian mobster for calling him names and sticking out his tongue. Who cares if the Nyets have not won yet. They will (eventually) and it sucks to be the NY team racing them to not be known as the lamest hoops franchise in the City.

You're sort of right about two things:
1) Prokorov getting props for what he's good at. You need and deserve an owner who has that unique skill set.
2) No one cares if the Nyets win, because they won't.
3) It sucks for them because they already are the lamest hoops franchise in the City. Hands down. Although they might be tied for last with the Liberty.

Maybe we need a thread in the Nets forum about who might (or might not) win a chip before the Nyets:

Charlotte/New Orleans - Hornets (0 appearances)
Indiana - Pacers (1 appearance in NBA: 2000)
New Orleans/Utah - Jazz (2 appearances: 1997-1998)
Toronto - Raptors (0 appearances)
Minnesota - Timberwolves (0 appearances)
Cleveland- Cavaliers (1 appearance: 2007)
Vancouver/Memphis - Grizzlies (0 appearances)
Denver - Nuggets (0 appearances)
Orlando - Magic (2 appearances: 1995, 2009)
Phoenix - Suns (2 appearances: 1976, 1993)
San Diego/Los Angeles - Clippers (0 appearances)



We are orginal charter team and we only have two banners.

Lets not pretend we are some thick in legacy team.

Im not worried about other teams, Im worried about the Knicks!

Too bad Prokhorov did not buy the knicks!


I think we have the most non-championship winning seasons.

Two championship banners are better than the Nyets big fat zero.

BINGO

It really isn't anything to brag about, especially when our most recent was 40 years ago. Those two championships puts us on par with Houston and Philly and both of those teams have more recent ones than us.

Doesn't matter. No matter how you spin it, 2 is superior to NONE. Whats arguable just as bad is how historically terrible they have been as an NBA franchise. In like my 20+years of fandom, they have been relevant and competitive for 5/6years.

I think it does matter. Also, I think if we're being fair we should be comparing the Knicks and the Nets from 1976 the year the Nets joined the NBA.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
ChuckBuck
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8/24/2012  10:36 AM
VCoug wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
VCoug wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
infinitilov100 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Moonangie wrote:Props to the Russian mobster for calling him names and sticking out his tongue. Who cares if the Nyets have not won yet. They will (eventually) and it sucks to be the NY team racing them to not be known as the lamest hoops franchise in the City.

You're sort of right about two things:
1) Prokorov getting props for what he's good at. You need and deserve an owner who has that unique skill set.
2) No one cares if the Nyets win, because they won't.
3) It sucks for them because they already are the lamest hoops franchise in the City. Hands down. Although they might be tied for last with the Liberty.

Maybe we need a thread in the Nets forum about who might (or might not) win a chip before the Nyets:

Charlotte/New Orleans - Hornets (0 appearances)
Indiana - Pacers (1 appearance in NBA: 2000)
New Orleans/Utah - Jazz (2 appearances: 1997-1998)
Toronto - Raptors (0 appearances)
Minnesota - Timberwolves (0 appearances)
Cleveland- Cavaliers (1 appearance: 2007)
Vancouver/Memphis - Grizzlies (0 appearances)
Denver - Nuggets (0 appearances)
Orlando - Magic (2 appearances: 1995, 2009)
Phoenix - Suns (2 appearances: 1976, 1993)
San Diego/Los Angeles - Clippers (0 appearances)



We are orginal charter team and we only have two banners.

Lets not pretend we are some thick in legacy team.

Im not worried about other teams, Im worried about the Knicks!

Too bad Prokhorov did not buy the knicks!


I think we have the most non-championship winning seasons.

Two championship banners are better than the Nyets big fat zero.

BINGO

It really isn't anything to brag about, especially when our most recent was 40 years ago. Those two championships puts us on par with Houston and Philly and both of those teams have more recent ones than us.

Doesn't matter. No matter how you spin it, 2 is superior to NONE. Whats arguable just as bad is how historically terrible they have been as an NBA franchise. In like my 20+years of fandom, they have been relevant and competitive for 5/6years.

I think it does matter. Also, I think if we're being fair we should be comparing the Knicks and the Nets from 1976 the year the Nets joined the NBA.

Fair would be both franchises "NBA" history, so that would include the Knickerbockers starting in the merged NBA(merger of BAA and NBL) in 1949 after coming over as one of the charter BAA teams in 1946.

So yea "NBA" history, Knicks 2, Nets 0.

Nalod
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8/24/2012  10:37 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Nalod wrote:Nets won two championships in 74' and 76'. That makes it 2 and 42.

ABA championships are not world championships nor the quality of an NBA but fans do like it when they win championships. Do they count? Not if your "defending" the knicks and don't like the N*ts. Do the 74' or 76' team beat Dave Cowens Celtics? I seriously doubt it!

Dolan has not been in charge all 64 years so we don't "blame" his reign for all of history. Prokhorov has only owned the N*ts for two years.

I'd say the current ownerships should only be held accountable for the time they owned the team.

I think Dolan wants to win. I just think he lets his emotions drive decisions.

When I think of ABA I think of Jackie Moon for some reason lol. I don't think anybody put much worth in USFL or XFL or any failed league either. Sure they had a few headliners in there, prominently your Nets hero "Dr J", but give me a break with your tired defense of the Nets and repetitive derision of Dolan, Nets still have 0 Championships dude.

[b] ABA championships are not world championships nor the quality of an NBA but fans do like it when they win championships. Do they count? Not if your "defending" the knicks and don't like the N*ts. Do the 74' or 76' team beat Dave Cowens Celtics? I seriously doubt it!
/b]

I addressed that. I said it does not hold the weight.

I am having an adult conversation and the basis is not defense but accuracy.

The ABA is more like the AFL than the failed leagues you mention. They merged 4 teams into the NBA. The 6mm entrance fee handicapped the four because of the financial stress it took to make the investment. The quality of the players form the defunct teams and those that got "dispersed" via a special draft was in line.

There are some good video's on the ABA and the history of its players besides the Will Farrell movie parody and Jackie Moon. You do know that "Eddy", a movie about a female coach played by Woopie Goldberg was not a biographical depiction of any factual event? You also know the WNBA did not have a player "Juanna Mann"?

I am on record to say the 35 years in Jersey made it a "Pathetic franchise". Roy Boe could not afford the $6mmm fee and sold Dr. J. He owned the very successful at the time Islanders and was sucking cash from them to fund the Nets. It blew up. Nets financially for many years seemed to be underfunded. They sucked for many reasons. Knicks always had money. Go figure.

But 100% accurate statement: The Nets have never won an NBA championships since its inclusion via Merger in 1976.
And in that time frame neither has the Knicks! We not talking about Jets vs. Giants, Mets vs. Yankees. Given the long history of the franchise its fair to say they have not exactly lived up to the legacy of a "storied franchise". Knicks have a great brand identification of a "storied franchise" but little in terms of bonafide success to match it.

I am a knick fan first and foremost. Im not defending the Nets, I am defending accuracy and the history of both franchise's. A fan can accept all things positive and ignore history and cheer them on. A fan can also be historically accurate and still be a good fan. No right or wrong but why argue history? You don't like the Nets, thats fine. If someone is going to go online and converse about a franchise history then accuracy is relevant. Having knowledge about the Nets, or Sonics, or Lakers, Or other teams over the years is not a bad thing.

Ignoring history and facts are.

I also challange anyone to post where I promote the Nets as a better team or compare them other than financially or contractually!

ChuckBuck
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8/24/2012  10:53 AM
Here's history for you:

Nets since merger:
1208 wins, 1696 losses

Knicks since 1976:
1424 wins, 1480 losses

Nets playoff appearances:
16

Knicks since 1976:
21, including 14 consecutive playoff appearances from 1988 to 2001

2 NBA Finals appearances, so even there

Pretty black and white who's definitively better.

As far as financially or contractually, you're not really saying saying the Nets are better than the Knicks there are you?

I mean besides the Lakers, the Knicks are the most valued team in the league. Contractually don't make me bring up Joe Johnson!

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8/24/2012  11:22 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:Here's history for you:

Nets since merger:
1208 wins, 1696 losses

Knicks since 1976:
1424 wins, 1480 losses

Nets playoff appearances:
16

Knicks since 1976:
21, including 14 consecutive playoff appearances from 1988 to 2001

2 NBA Finals appearances, so even there

Pretty black and white who's definitively better.

As far as financially or contractually, you're not really saying saying the Nets are better than the Knicks there are you?

I mean besides the Lakers, the Knicks are the most valued team in the league. Contractually don't make me bring up Joe Johnson!

No, thats not what I said. I said I only compared the current rosters contractually because someone mentioned Joe Johnson. I think its fair to assume we can't talk about objective issues when being a "fan" is to defend the position than understand it.

Whats next: " Your momma is so low she is a Net fan!"

I think any knick fan would do well not to discuss contracts of its players in any argument. Thats not a strong one. Knicks have had some real good contracts in there day.

There is no argument that the Knicks are a more valuable as a franchise. Thats never been questioned. Its either my writing skills or your reading comprehension that might be called into question.

Or your looking for arguments that don't exist.

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8/24/2012  11:25 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:Here's history for you:

Nets since merger:
1208 wins, 1696 losses

Knicks since 1976:
1424 wins, 1480 losses

Nets playoff appearances:
16

Knicks since 1976:
21, including 14 consecutive playoff appearances from 1988 to 2001

2 NBA Finals appearances, so even there

Pretty black and white who's definitively better.

As far as financially or contractually, you're not really saying saying the Nets are better than the Knicks there are you?

I mean besides the Lakers, the Knicks are the most valued team in the league. Contractually don't make me bring up Joe Johnson!

I don't think you're really helping your argument. Those win totals mean the average Net season is 34-48. The average Knick season is 40-42; only 6 wins better and still under .500. And five more playoff appearances over the course of 35 seasons isn't impressive.

As far as financially and contractually who gives a **** other than the owner? We're the 2nd most valuable team in the league behind the Lakers. If I'm a Bulls fan, Spurs fan, or Celtics fan do I care? Of course not. And contractually? We've been dealing with awful contracts since the Ewing trade. Right now we don't have any but there's a definite chance that Amare's and Tyson's contracts could end up being albatrosses for us.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
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8/24/2012  11:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/24/2012  11:43 AM
VCoug wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Here's history for you:

Nets since merger:
1208 wins, 1696 losses

Knicks since 1976:
1424 wins, 1480 losses

Nets playoff appearances:
16

Knicks since 1976:
21, including 14 consecutive playoff appearances from 1988 to 2001

2 NBA Finals appearances, so even there

Pretty black and white who's definitively better.

As far as financially or contractually, you're not really saying saying the Nets are better than the Knicks there are you?

I mean besides the Lakers, the Knicks are the most valued team in the league. Contractually don't make me bring up Joe Johnson!

I don't think you're really helping your argument. Those win totals mean the average Net season is 34-48. The average Knick season is 40-42; only 6 wins better and still under .500. And five more playoff appearances over the course of 35 seasons isn't impressive.

As far as financially and contractually who gives a **** other than the owner? We're the 2nd most valuable team in the league behind the Lakers. If I'm a Bulls fan, Spurs fan, or Celtics fan do I care? Of course not. And contractually? We've been dealing with awful contracts since the Ewing trade. Right now we don't have any but there's a definite chance that Amare's and Tyson's contracts could end up being albatrosses for us.

I don't really see a counter in your statement. Is 1424 wins better than 1208, yes or no? Knicks had a bad run of it for awhile with contracts during the Layden/IT eras. Financially, I was countering Nalod's continued praise and defense of Prok's investment and "successful Brooklyn franchise"? Which franchise do you think is better suited to compete for a Championship contractually right now? Joe Johnson's contract is possibly the worst in all professional team sports.

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8/24/2012  11:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/24/2012  11:52 AM
Nalod wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Here's history for you:

Nets since merger:
1208 wins, 1696 losses

Knicks since 1976:
1424 wins, 1480 losses

Nets playoff appearances:
16

Knicks since 1976:
21, including 14 consecutive playoff appearances from 1988 to 2001

2 NBA Finals appearances, so even there

Pretty black and white who's definitively better.

As far as financially or contractually, you're not really saying saying the Nets are better than the Knicks there are you?

I mean besides the Lakers, the Knicks are the most valued team in the league. Contractually don't make me bring up Joe Johnson!

No, thats not what I said. I said I only compared the current rosters contractually because someone mentioned Joe Johnson. I think its fair to assume we can't talk about objective issues when being a "fan" is to defend the position than understand it.

Whats next: " Your momma is so low she is a Net fan!"

I think any knick fan would do well not to discuss contracts of its players in any argument. Thats not a strong one. Knicks have had some real good contracts in there day.

There is no argument that the Knicks are a more valuable as a franchise. Thats never been questioned. Its either my writing skills or your reading comprehension that might be called into question.

Or your looking for arguments that don't exist.

Nalod says:

I also challange anyone to post where I promote the Nets as a better team or compare them other than financially or contractually!

So you did try to compare the Knicks and Nets financialy and contractually.

Why even post the NY Post article in the WSJ Jason Gay thread that the Nets are "winning" already? They haven't even had 1 fiscal year in the new arena. It's like you look for every news bit to bump up the Nets or Prokhorov's stature somehow, even though they haven't done anything yet:

Nalod wrote:Yesterday the Post mentions the above referenced Forbes article and confirms my point about the value being even higher. Since that was posted the estimated value has jumped another 60%

Prokhorov is winning!

(FYI to the N*tPhobic: I Did not start this thread and I am responding to a claim that Prokhorov did well to buy the team in recession.)

Fuhgeddaboudit! Nets value soars in Brooklyn
By JOSH KOSMAN
Last Updated: 10:17 AM, August 23, 2012
Posted: 12:02 AM, August 23, 2012
Russian billionaire Mikhail Prokhorov is getting a nice bump in his Net worth.

The 6-foot-8-inch Nets owner has seen the value of his investment more than double since he bought the team two years ago, thanks to the move into the more financially friendly Barclays Center.

As the Nets gear up for the first season in the soon-to-be-completed Barclays Center, the team is now worth roughly $575 million, according to one sports investment banker. Thats 60 percent more than they were valued just last season by Forbes.

In addition, the team may post its first profit in a decade, The Post has learned.

The Nets are projected to generate $140 million in revenue and earn between $10 million and $15 million in profit, a source with direct knowledge said. Last year, the NBA franchise took in half that amount and lost nearly $30 million.

A Nets spokesman declined comment on the subject of the teams finances.

In May 2010, Prokhorov bought 80 percent of the team and 45 percent of the arena for $223 million. Of that amount, around $140 million was allocated for the purchase of the team, a source said.

Today, after subtracting $225 million in loans from its estimated $575 million value, the teams has about $350 million in equity. So Prokhorovs 80 percent stake would be worth $280 million or double his $140 million investment.

That would make the Nets the fourth-most valuable NBA team, trailing only the Lakers, Knicks and Bulls, according to Forbes.

Nets CEO Brett Yormark said the Nets will sell north of 10,000 season tickets double what the team sold when it was in Newark. The average ticket price is $134.20.

We werent so sure we would reach 10,000, Yormak he said, adding that sponsorships are also triple last years rate.

jkosman@nypost.com

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/fuhgeddaboudit_nets_value_soars_RLXWRDtFzGNChiJgTIHGtI#ixzz24T0anlw1


No arguments from me here, just stating my case. Hedgers gonna hedge!

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8/24/2012  11:53 AM
VCoug wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Here's history for you:

Nets since merger:
1208 wins, 1696 losses

Knicks since 1976:
1424 wins, 1480 losses

Nets playoff appearances:
16

Knicks since 1976:
21, including 14 consecutive playoff appearances from 1988 to 2001

2 NBA Finals appearances, so even there

Pretty black and white who's definitively better.

As far as financially or contractually, you're not really saying saying the Nets are better than the Knicks there are you?

I mean besides the Lakers, the Knicks are the most valued team in the league. Contractually don't make me bring up Joe Johnson!

I don't think you're really helping your argument. Those win totals mean the average Net season is 34-48. The average Knick season is 40-42; only 6 wins better and still under .500. And five more playoff appearances over the course of 35 seasons isn't impressive.

As far as financially and contractually who gives a **** other than the owner? We're the 2nd most valuable team in the league behind the Lakers. If I'm a Bulls fan, Spurs fan, or Celtics fan do I care? Of course not. And contractually? We've been dealing with awful contracts since the Ewing trade. Right now we don't have any but there's a definite chance that Amare's and Tyson's contracts could end up being albatrosses for us.


My reaction too. All you can say is that we historically have been less bad than the Nets.
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8/24/2012  12:10 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Here's history for you:

Nets since merger:
1208 wins, 1696 losses

Knicks since 1976:
1424 wins, 1480 losses

Nets playoff appearances:
16

Knicks since 1976:
21, including 14 consecutive playoff appearances from 1988 to 2001

2 NBA Finals appearances, so even there

Pretty black and white who's definitively better.

As far as financially or contractually, you're not really saying saying the Nets are better than the Knicks there are you?

I mean besides the Lakers, the Knicks are the most valued team in the league. Contractually don't make me bring up Joe Johnson!

I don't think you're really helping your argument. Those win totals mean the average Net season is 34-48. The average Knick season is 40-42; only 6 wins better and still under .500. And five more playoff appearances over the course of 35 seasons isn't impressive.

As far as financially and contractually who gives a **** other than the owner? We're the 2nd most valuable team in the league behind the Lakers. If I'm a Bulls fan, Spurs fan, or Celtics fan do I care? Of course not. And contractually? We've been dealing with awful contracts since the Ewing trade. Right now we don't have any but there's a definite chance that Amare's and Tyson's contracts could end up being albatrosses for us.


My reaction too. All you can say is that we historically have been less bad than the Nets.


Very informative post Mr .470 Bill James!

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8/24/2012  12:12 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Here's history for you:

Nets since merger:
1208 wins, 1696 losses

Knicks since 1976:
1424 wins, 1480 losses

Nets playoff appearances:
16

Knicks since 1976:
21, including 14 consecutive playoff appearances from 1988 to 2001

2 NBA Finals appearances, so even there

Pretty black and white who's definitively better.

As far as financially or contractually, you're not really saying saying the Nets are better than the Knicks there are you?

I mean besides the Lakers, the Knicks are the most valued team in the league. Contractually don't make me bring up Joe Johnson!

I don't think you're really helping your argument. Those win totals mean the average Net season is 34-48. The average Knick season is 40-42; only 6 wins better and still under .500. And five more playoff appearances over the course of 35 seasons isn't impressive.

As far as financially and contractually who gives a **** other than the owner? We're the 2nd most valuable team in the league behind the Lakers. If I'm a Bulls fan, Spurs fan, or Celtics fan do I care? Of course not. And contractually? We've been dealing with awful contracts since the Ewing trade. Right now we don't have any but there's a definite chance that Amare's and Tyson's contracts could end up being albatrosses for us.


My reaction too. All you can say is that we historically have been less bad than the Nets.


Very informative post Mr .470 Bill James!


Carmelo is Mr. .470. I am Mr. 1.000!
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8/24/2012  12:15 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Here's history for you:

Nets since merger:
1208 wins, 1696 losses

Knicks since 1976:
1424 wins, 1480 losses

Nets playoff appearances:
16

Knicks since 1976:
21, including 14 consecutive playoff appearances from 1988 to 2001

2 NBA Finals appearances, so even there

Pretty black and white who's definitively better.

As far as financially or contractually, you're not really saying saying the Nets are better than the Knicks there are you?

I mean besides the Lakers, the Knicks are the most valued team in the league. Contractually don't make me bring up Joe Johnson!

I don't think you're really helping your argument. Those win totals mean the average Net season is 34-48. The average Knick season is 40-42; only 6 wins better and still under .500. And five more playoff appearances over the course of 35 seasons isn't impressive.

As far as financially and contractually who gives a **** other than the owner? We're the 2nd most valuable team in the league behind the Lakers. If I'm a Bulls fan, Spurs fan, or Celtics fan do I care? Of course not. And contractually? We've been dealing with awful contracts since the Ewing trade. Right now we don't have any but there's a definite chance that Amare's and Tyson's contracts could end up being albatrosses for us.


My reaction too. All you can say is that we historically have been less bad than the Nets.


Very informative post Mr .470 Bill James!


Carmelo is Mr. .470. I am Mr. 1.000!

If you're Mr. 1.000 then I'm Mr. 3000!

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8/24/2012  12:35 PM

Prokhorov doubled his investment was the context.

Thus, he is successful.

Knicks are successful.

Its all relative to what the team was bought for.

Prokhorov is doing well with his investment.

Just going by the Forbes measurement not yours.

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8/24/2012  12:40 PM
Maybe you should change your handle to Vorohkorp.

It has a nice ring to it, sounds like a corporation!

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8/24/2012  1:19 PM
Nalod wrote:
infinitilov100 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
infinitilov100 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
infinitilov100 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Moonangie wrote:Props to the Russian mobster for calling him names and sticking out his tongue. Who cares if the Nyets have not won yet. They will (eventually) and it sucks to be the NY team racing them to not be known as the lamest hoops franchise in the City.

You're sort of right about two things:
1) Prokorov getting props for what he's good at. You need and deserve an owner who has that unique skill set.
2) No one cares if the Nyets win, because they won't.
3) It sucks for them because they already are the lamest hoops franchise in the City. Hands down. Although they might be tied for last with the Liberty.

Maybe we need a thread in the Nets forum about who might (or might not) win a chip before the Nyets:

Charlotte/New Orleans - Hornets (0 appearances)
Indiana - Pacers (1 appearance in NBA: 2000)
New Orleans/Utah - Jazz (2 appearances: 1997-1998)
Toronto - Raptors (0 appearances)
Minnesota - Timberwolves (0 appearances)
Cleveland- Cavaliers (1 appearance: 2007)
Vancouver/Memphis - Grizzlies (0 appearances)
Denver - Nuggets (0 appearances)
Orlando - Magic (2 appearances: 1995, 2009)
Phoenix - Suns (2 appearances: 1976, 1993)
San Diego/Los Angeles - Clippers (0 appearances)



We are orginal charter team and we only have two banners.

Lets not pretend we are some thick in legacy team.

Im not worried about other teams, Im worried about the Knicks!

Too bad Prokhorov did not buy the knicks!


I think we have the most non-championship winning seasons.

Two championship banners are better than the Nyets big fat zero.

Our 64 failed seasons are worse than their 36 (and worse than any other team in league history).

Were you on another Knicks forum desperately trying to make the Nyets relevant?


No
And for the record, you talk about the Nets much more than I do.

That's what happens when you bleed Orange & Blue. Gotta defend my team.

Defending against what? Tyranny?

Defending against the evil thoughts that the Knicks haters have.

"That little Man"

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