nixluva wrote:This isn't about hating Melo. IT's about holding him to the standard that his status on the team demands. He's the leader of the team by virtue of his being the best player and the guy that touches the ball the most. We ran everything thru Melo last year and he shrank back from that responsibility. The day he played up to the role the rest of the team responded immediately. It wasn't some scoring binge that the team responded to, but rather Melo doing the little things that inspired his team.

His ENERGY LEVEL and consistent EFFORT on D. His willingness to actually try to fit into what the team was doing at the time which was still playing a Team oriented style based on MDA's offense, which meant that he had to do some catch and shoot and play off the ball a bit. He actually did that the day that MDA resigned. This is all we were asking him to do from the get go. Don't break the offense and slump around cuz you're not getting your way. Play hard and lift your team with a good attitude. Melo did all of these things before his shot came back and the team won games. This is proof that it wasn't about his scoring but rather his entire approach to the game. All we want is a real dedication to his profession and an effort to try and lead at least by example if not by being a vocal leader of the team. He has the most clout to speak and should use that to help his team win. No one is going to look at anyone else if the team loses cuz he's the best player. If the team wins and Melo is doing all the right things he deserves to get credit.

I respect this

‎"Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain but it takes character and self control to be understanding and forgiving." - Dale Carnegie

Team NYK has seven (7) leaders, each with a unique role to play.

Tyson Chandler (11 years experience), as the only player with a championship ring, carries the most respect among the players. When he speaks, they listen.

Amar'e Stoudemire (10 years), as the first player who claimed, "the Knicks are back", joins Chandler as a leading influencer. Jason Kidd will be employed as an Assistant Coach. His 18 years of NBA experience give him the most respected position as elder-in-uniform.

Marcus Camby (16 years) and Kurt Thomas (17 years) are The Traffic Cops. These "heart and soul men" will insure that no one steps out of line when Mike Woodson is not in the room... or when an opponent ventures into the paint.

Pablo Prigioni (listed hilariously as a rookie) has plenty of stories to tell. He and Jason Kidd will trade jokes in the back of the Knicks private jet and compare nearly a half century of hoops notes. Once Pablo gets comfortable in Manhattan, GQ will request a cover photograph. Then it gets interesting.

Carmelo Anthony (ninth year) is a work in progress. He is not the vocal leader of the Knicks. Carmelo is an honorary Tri-Captain on the marketing posters. For the press he is the most convenient headline fodder because he is first in line at the bank and does not conform to the perfect image.

"Who's Gonna Take The Weight?" - Kool and The Gang

Just Win Baby - Al Davis

FoeDiddy wrote:

nixluva wrote:This isn't about hating Melo. IT's about holding him to the standard that his status on the team demands. He's the leader of the team by virtue of his being the best player and the guy that touches the ball the most. We ran everything thru Melo last year and he shrank back from that responsibility. The day he played up to the role the rest of the team responded immediately. It wasn't some scoring binge that the team responded to, but rather Melo doing the little things that inspired his team.

His ENERGY LEVEL and consistent EFFORT on D. His willingness to actually try to fit into what the team was doing at the time which was still playing a Team oriented style based on MDA's offense, which meant that he had to do some catch and shoot and play off the ball a bit. He actually did that the day that MDA resigned. This is all we were asking him to do from the get go. Don't break the offense and slump around cuz you're not getting your way. Play hard and lift your team with a good attitude. Melo did all of these things before his shot came back and the team won games. This is proof that it wasn't about his scoring but rather his entire approach to the game. All we want is a real dedication to his profession and an effort to try and lead at least by example if not by being a vocal leader of the team. He has the most clout to speak and should use that to help his team win. No one is going to look at anyone else if the team loses cuz he's the best player. If the team wins and Melo is doing all the right things he deserves to get credit.

I respect this

However you cant mention Melo as anything less than a top 10 player and the same as Kobe or Wade (stupid) without being labeled a hater. Melo's an all star. A really good player. He's just not the player chuck or mrKnicksnot thinks he is, at least not yet. What the trolls cant fathom is that 99% of the people on this board want Melo to be the star these guys think he is, he just hasnt done anything in his career yet to merit being considered in that class of players.

newyorknewyork wrote:I think Melo will be alright for the fact that he isn't going to have to cover for the many holes last yrs roster had. The group of veterans brought in should help ease the burden and take some pressure off and allow him to do his thing.

I agree. Roles will be established early on and now that we have a deeper squad, a player getting hurt (hope not) shouldn't cause as much of a disruption as it did last season. The Knicks were the walking wounded last season and the compressed schedule put a more of a hurt on them than most teams. We should know how good this team will be early on. With a hopefully big improvement in guard play, we shouldn't have the same chemistry issues we had last season.

Edit: Was referring to Felton/Kidd/Prigioni > Davis/Bibby/TD The PGs who closed out the season.

newyorknewyork wrote:I think Melo will be alright for the fact that he isn't going to have to cover for the many holes last yrs roster had. The group of veterans brought in should help ease the burden and take some pressure off and allow him to do his thing.

arkrud wrote:10 years in NBA is good enough to see what player is.
Melo is great shooter and finisher.
He is also a black hole on offense, inconsistent defender and diva.
He never was a leader and will ever be. This is personality and he is grown up man and will not change.
He is not a piece to help team with a chip. But he is a complimentary part.
This is cool for National team but useless for NBA team with championsheep inspirations.
So he is on right team which do not have one.

At best Scottie Pippen without the defense. I really, really, really, really want to love Melo, and love this team. But in the end, Wojo is one in a cacophony of beatwriters, fans, and sports radio types. Carmelo Anthony is a selfish player who never has won anything, and is not showing anything new to prove otherwise. He talks a good one, but he makes teammates worse. Amare is worse when he played, Lin was worse. Fields was worse. Who does Melo make better? No one except himself. And EVERYONE sees that, except us blind Knicks fans.

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

nixluva wrote:This isn't about hating Melo. IT's about holding him to the standard that his status on the team demands. He's the leader of the team by virtue of his being the best player and the guy that touches the ball the most. We ran everything thru Melo last year and he shrank back from that responsibility. The day he played up to the role the rest of the team responded immediately. It wasn't some scoring binge that the team responded to, but rather Melo doing the little things that inspired his team.

His ENERGY LEVEL and consistent EFFORT on D. His willingness to actually try to fit into what the team was doing at the time which was still playing a Team oriented style based on MDA's offense, which meant that he had to do some catch and shoot and play off the ball a bit. He actually did that the day that MDA resigned. This is all we were asking him to do from the get go. Don't break the offense and slump around cuz you're not getting your way. Play hard and lift your team with a good attitude. Melo did all of these things before his shot came back and the team won games. This is proof that it wasn't about his scoring but rather his entire approach to the game. All we want is a real dedication to his profession and an effort to try and lead at least by example if not by being a vocal leader of the team. He has the most clout to speak and should use that to help his team win. No one is going to look at anyone else if the team loses cuz he's the best player. If the team wins and Melo is doing all the right things he deserves to get credit.

I respect this

yes.. this.

However you cant mention Melo as anything less than a top 10 player and the same as Kobe or Wade (stupid) without being labeled a hater. Melo's an all star. A really good player. He's just not the player chuck or mrKnicksnot thinks he is, at least not yet. What the trolls cant fathom is that 99% of the people on this board want Melo to be the star these guys think he is, he just hasnt done anything in his career yet to merit being considered in that class of players.

Yes, of course. Kobe accomplished soooo much before Shaq, Jax, Pau, Odom, etc. Wade's story is even better, so I won't mention it.
Yes, everyone knows Melo's done nothing in his career, and anything he has done (WCF) has to be attributable to Billups, Nene, or for god's sake the brilliance of George Karl. Or maybe it was all due to AI's ghost or Birdman, I forget.

And here, of course, all we have is that brief few seconds of selfish play in the playoffs where he's playing with no one and tries that pass to Fishlips. (Small sample size, I know.)

Then, he's playing with Mr. FireExtinguisher and a sick Tyson and a string of alzheimer's patients at PG. Only one win against Wade and Lebron. Tsk tsk tsk. Fatboy has done nothing in his career, except that stupid thing about putting the ball in the hole. Which we all know is overrated.

He's just sooooo fat. And he talks too much.

But you know what, some of us of the Occupy WeebleMelo Suckups 99% don't really want him to be Lebron or Wade or Kobe. I'd settle for the second coming of BK, who, as I recall, wasn't exactly a triple double machine either. FatSmilingMDAquitterLinKiller is not Ewing. He's not our team's saviour. He is, however the best player now on the Knicks.

And I'm much happier with that then watching and whining over the development of future trade fodder Nugyets or the fabulous rebuilding they're doing over at the new Mecca of NY basketball, the Barklay's center.
Which makes me wonder, does anyone over at UltimateNets think JJ is fat and one-dimensional and hasn't done anything in his career? No, they're probably happy to just have him on their team.

Imagine that.

Some good points there Jrod. There is enough blame to go around for the mess this team was in last season and some things that were out of the team's hands like injuries. I'm not buying that it can be placed on any one player. Coaching had something to do with it as well. It wasn't all on Melo. He couldn't of turned this ship around by himself last season even if he was doing everything the right way.

The main thing I want Melo to do next season is to get away from "heroball". Trying to bring the team back from a deficit all by himself. If he shoots the ball too much in a game, that's usually when does it. Melo has a better roster to work with now and he needs to trust them when things go south. If he can do that we should be in good shape.

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:After the third game with Woodson as coach, he said

I think in the last three games, my focus was to have an energy that I haven’t had so far this season

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/melo-basically-admits-hes-trying-harder-for-woodson/

"Obviously, there's a new energy," point guard Jeremy Lin said. "I think winning games will bring that."

http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo;JSESSIONID=E33B08562A966F1BCA5F.3216?site=newsday&view=sports_item&feed:a=newsday_5min&feed:c=sports&feed:i=1.3612666&nopaging=1

Since having "energy" means quitting, I guess Lin quit too.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:After the third game with Woodson as coach, he said

I think in the last three games, my focus was to have an energy that I haven’t had so far this season

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/melo-basically-admits-hes-trying-harder-for-woodson/

"Obviously, there's a new energy," point guard Jeremy Lin said. "I think winning games will bring that."

http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo;JSESSIONID=E33B08562A966F1BCA5F.3216?site=newsday&view=sports_item&feed:a=newsday_5min&feed:c=sports&feed:i=1.3612666&nopaging=1

Since having "energy" means quitting, I guess Lin quit too.

more likely that he meant a new energy from Carmelo. Melo was the only one who showed a gigantic change in energy level.

You must have bought the energy Meter from Sky Mall to quantify Melo's gigantic change in energy level.