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MaTT4281 wrote:Sucks if true, but I'll choose to remain ignorantly hopeful until midnight. Would love to see Lin develop in a Knick jersey, but as much of a gift as he was last season, losing him is certainly not insurmountable.

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

I know it's been beat to death the past several days, but if Lin really wanted to be here, he could have let that happen. If you're to believe the papers, Knicks were ready to match that initial offer sheet and that got leaked. Is them telling him they will match the offer essentially not an offer of their own? Knicks flubbed this up too, but I don't buy that either party is completely innocent in the whole mess.

3:1 odds that the world keeps spinning after midnight, but that's subject to change.

You realize Lin doesn't control the offer sheet, right? The Rockets wanted to increase it to make it harder for the Knicks to match. Even if Lin stupidly demanded he sign the original sheet, the Rockets wouldn't want that. They wanted this "poison pill" contract to make it harder on the Knicks. The Knicks, meanwhile, never made any effort to sign Lin first. They chased Nash, Kidd and Felton before Lin.

I am so sick of hearing this. Lin controlled if be signed it! Lin controlled the damn structure of the deal! Instead of 5/5/15 he could have said no I want 7/7/11! Lin was not forced to sign this damn offer sheet. The Rockets were desperate-made that way through their own moves- they weren't gonna be able to "dictate" a lot. Have you not heard that Lin and his agents had to NEGOTIATE his offer sheet. Negotiate means he has a say how everything is structured. It is such a load of steaming crap that Lin had no choice and didn't control anything.

Are you kidding me, bro? How does Lin CONTROL A CONTRACT OFFER FROM ANOTHER DAMN TEAM?!?!??!!?!? Explain this stupid reasoning to me. How does Lin demand another team to run its business? How does Lin tell another team to sign him to a smaller contract when that team knows the Knicks will match it? What in God's name is going on with these irrational posts? People call people defending Lin delusional. All I see is garbage written left and right with no facts whatsoever.

1st through negotiations. Once again structure the deal differently or don't sign it. You make it sound like of the Rockets presented him with a deal that was $1/$1/$22, 999,998 he would have to accept it. That is why they NEGOTIATE these things. I believe he is one of 2 things. Either he is the dumbest Harvard grad ever, or he simply didn't want to be a Knick. If the second is true, man up and just say you want to leave and stop acting like some Huckleberry that doesn't know what is happening.

Bro, he has a business degree from Harvard. He can understand the CBA better than most of the bargaining committee.

Do you understand that the Rockets changed the deal so they can make it difficult for the Knicks to match? What's so hard to understand thisK concept?Knicks could've The Knicks were saying we'd match the contract publicly and then the Rockets went ahead and changed the terms of the deal to make it harder for the Knicks. This is not Lin's ckall. Lin didn't negotiate behind anyone's back. the Rockets wanted Lin badly. They set up the contract in a way to make it difficult for the Knicks to match it due to the luxury tax. This has nothing to do with Jeremy Lin demanding more money. Lin signed the final contract that was presented to him. That's the contract the Rockets wanted him to sign. He signed it. The Knicks have paid $120 million for Isiah's lottery teams but felt letting a young talent go for one year of luxury tax payments was a good decision. That's on them, not Lin.

Are you for real? So just because the Rockets wanted him to sign it he has to sign it. My mistake. Wish he had to sign that 4 year 16 mil max contract that the Knicks Coulda offered him. Woulda made this whole thing easier if he didn't have free will.

The Knicks never offered that contract, did they?

Is he supposed to not sign a contract? Was anyone else offering him one? I don't even understand what you're arguing about. He did what any player in the league does when they are free agents - sign for a team who offered him money. There is nothing backhanded to what he did but let's create more conspiracy theories so we can vilify the kid.

Lin did what all players do...go for the most money. However, if his heart was in NYC how hard could it have been to have his agent go to the Knicks and say "Jeremy doesn't want to play anywhere else. Let's come up with a fair number and get it done." and yes this actually does happen in sports.

This may happen in sports when guys have made their money already. Lin hasn't.

What about the 40 million from Volvo he got

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MaTT4281 wrote:Sucks if true, but I'll choose to remain ignorantly hopeful until midnight. Would love to see Lin develop in a Knick jersey, but as much of a gift as he was last season, losing him is certainly not insurmountable.

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

I know it's been beat to death the past several days, but if Lin really wanted to be here, he could have let that happen. If you're to believe the papers, Knicks were ready to match that initial offer sheet and that got leaked. Is them telling him they will match the offer essentially not an offer of their own? Knicks flubbed this up too, but I don't buy that either party is completely innocent in the whole mess.

3:1 odds that the world keeps spinning after midnight, but that's subject to change.

You realize Lin doesn't control the offer sheet, right? The Rockets wanted to increase it to make it harder for the Knicks to match. Even if Lin stupidly demanded he sign the original sheet, the Rockets wouldn't want that. They wanted this "poison pill" contract to make it harder on the Knicks. The Knicks, meanwhile, never made any effort to sign Lin first. They chased Nash, Kidd and Felton before Lin.

I am so sick of hearing this. Lin controlled if be signed it! Lin controlled the damn structure of the deal! Instead of 5/5/15 he could have said no I want 7/7/11! Lin was not forced to sign this damn offer sheet. The Rockets were desperate-made that way through their own moves- they weren't gonna be able to "dictate" a lot. Have you not heard that Lin and his agents had to NEGOTIATE his offer sheet. Negotiate means he has a say how everything is structured. It is such a load of steaming crap that Lin had no choice and didn't control anything.

Are you kidding me, bro? How does Lin CONTROL A CONTRACT OFFER FROM ANOTHER DAMN TEAM?!?!??!!?!? Explain this stupid reasoning to me. How does Lin demand another team to run its business? How does Lin tell another team to sign him to a smaller contract when that team knows the Knicks will match it? What in God's name is going on with these irrational posts? People call people defending Lin delusional. All I see is garbage written left and right with no facts whatsoever.

1st through negotiations. Once again structure the deal differently or don't sign it. You make it sound like of the Rockets presented him with a deal that was $1/$1/$22, 999,998 he would have to accept it. That is why they NEGOTIATE these things. I believe he is one of 2 things. Either he is the dumbest Harvard grad ever, or he simply didn't want to be a Knick. If the second is true, man up and just say you want to leave and stop acting like some Huckleberry that doesn't know what is happening.

Bro, he has a business degree from Harvard. He can understand the CBA better than most of the bargaining committee.

Do you understand that the Rockets changed the deal so they can make it difficult for the Knicks to match? What's so hard to understand thisK concept?Knicks could've The Knicks were saying we'd match the contract publicly and then the Rockets went ahead and changed the terms of the deal to make it harder for the Knicks. This is not Lin's ckall. Lin didn't negotiate behind anyone's back. the Rockets wanted Lin badly. They set up the contract in a way to make it difficult for the Knicks to match it due to the luxury tax. This has nothing to do with Jeremy Lin demanding more money. Lin signed the final contract that was presented to him. That's the contract the Rockets wanted him to sign. He signed it. The Knicks have paid $120 million for Isiah's lottery teams but felt letting a young talent go for one year of luxury tax payments was a good decision. That's on them, not Lin.

Are you for real? So just because the Rockets wanted him to sign it he has to sign it. My mistake. Wish he had to sign that 4 year 16 mil max contract that the Knicks Coulda offered him. Woulda made this whole thing easier if he didn't have free will.

The Knicks never offered that contract, did they?

Is he supposed to not sign a contract? Was anyone else offering him one? I don't even understand what you're arguing about. He did what any player in the league does when they are free agents - sign for a team who offered him money. There is nothing backhanded to what he did but let's create more conspiracy theories so we can vilify the kid.

Lin did what all players do...go for the most money. However, if his heart was in NYC how hard could it have been to have his agent go to the Knicks and say "Jeremy doesn't want to play anywhere else. Let's come up with a fair number and get it done." and yes this actually does happen in sports.

This may happen in sports when guys have made their money already. Lin hasn't.

So he went for the most $$$ plain and simple. The most the Knicks could have offered him was a 3 year $16.13 million or 5 years at $28.75 mil. He knew it, his agent knew it and the Knicks knew it. Lin is going to exectly where he wants to be. He could have easily went to the Knicks and said the Rockets are offering X. Give me the same deal and I won't sign an offer sheet with them.

Lin is signing for the money. How many players have signed big offer sheets with other teams had them matched by the team? Do you consider those players "traitors" too? It's a business first before anything.

Again, the Knicks thought it was prudent to waste hundreds of millions on lottery teams for players who were downright awful but couldn't pay a year's worth of luxury tax to keep a young, talent point guard on their team.

JamesKPolk wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Sucks if true, but I'll choose to remain ignorantly hopeful until midnight. Would love to see Lin develop in a Knick jersey, but as much of a gift as he was last season, losing him is certainly not insurmountable.

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

I know it's been beat to death the past several days, but if Lin really wanted to be here, he could have let that happen. If you're to believe the papers, Knicks were ready to match that initial offer sheet and that got leaked. Is them telling him they will match the offer essentially not an offer of their own? Knicks flubbed this up too, but I don't buy that either party is completely innocent in the whole mess.

3:1 odds that the world keeps spinning after midnight, but that's subject to change.

You realize Lin doesn't control the offer sheet, right? The Rockets wanted to increase it to make it harder for the Knicks to match. Even if Lin stupidly demanded he sign the original sheet, the Rockets wouldn't want that. They wanted this "poison pill" contract to make it harder on the Knicks. The Knicks, meanwhile, never made any effort to sign Lin first. They chased Nash, Kidd and Felton before Lin.

I am so sick of hearing this. Lin controlled if be signed it! Lin controlled the damn structure of the deal! Instead of 5/5/15 he could have said no I want 7/7/11! Lin was not forced to sign this damn offer sheet. The Rockets were desperate-made that way through their own moves- they weren't gonna be able to "dictate" a lot. Have you not heard that Lin and his agents had to NEGOTIATE his offer sheet. Negotiate means he has a say how everything is structured. It is such a load of steaming crap that Lin had no choice and didn't control anything.

Are you kidding me, bro? How does Lin CONTROL A CONTRACT OFFER FROM ANOTHER DAMN TEAM?!?!??!!?!? Explain this stupid reasoning to me. How does Lin demand another team to run its business? How does Lin tell another team to sign him to a smaller contract when that team knows the Knicks will match it? What in God's name is going on with these irrational posts? People call people defending Lin delusional. All I see is garbage written left and right with no facts whatsoever.

1st through negotiations. Once again structure the deal differently or don't sign it. You make it sound like of the Rockets presented him with a deal that was $1/$1/$22, 999,998 he would have to accept it. That is why they NEGOTIATE these things. I believe he is one of 2 things. Either he is the dumbest Harvard grad ever, or he simply didn't want to be a Knick. If the second is true, man up and just say you want to leave and stop acting like some Huckleberry that doesn't know what is happening.

Bro, he has a business degree from Harvard. He can understand the CBA better than most of the bargaining committee.

Do you understand that the Rockets changed the deal so they can make it difficult for the Knicks to match? What's so hard to understand thisK concept?Knicks could've The Knicks were saying we'd match the contract publicly and then the Rockets went ahead and changed the terms of the deal to make it harder for the Knicks. This is not Lin's ckall. Lin didn't negotiate behind anyone's back. the Rockets wanted Lin badly. They set up the contract in a way to make it difficult for the Knicks to match it due to the luxury tax. This has nothing to do with Jeremy Lin demanding more money. Lin signed the final contract that was presented to him. That's the contract the Rockets wanted him to sign. He signed it. The Knicks have paid $120 million for Isiah's lottery teams but felt letting a young talent go for one year of luxury tax payments was a good decision. That's on them, not Lin.

Are you for real? So just because the Rockets wanted him to sign it he has to sign it. My mistake. Wish he had to sign that 4 year 16 mil max contract that the Knicks Coulda offered him. Woulda made this whole thing easier if he didn't have free will.

The Knicks never offered that contract, did they?

Is he supposed to not sign a contract? Was anyone else offering him one? I don't even understand what you're arguing about. He did what any player in the league does when they are free agents - sign for a team who offered him money. There is nothing backhanded to what he did but let's create more conspiracy theories so we can vilify the kid.

Lin did what all players do...go for the most money. However, if his heart was in NYC how hard could it have been to have his agent go to the Knicks and say "Jeremy doesn't want to play anywhere else. Let's come up with a fair number and get it done." and yes this actually does happen in sports.

This may happen in sports when guys have made their money already. Lin hasn't.

So he went for the most $$$ plain and simple. The most the Knicks could have offered him was a 3 year $16.13 million or 5 years at $28.75 mil. He knew it, his agent knew it and the Knicks knew it. Lin is going to exectly where he wants to be. He could have easily went to the Knicks and said the Rockets are offering X. Give me the same deal and I won't sign an offer sheet with them.

Lin is signing for the money. How many players have signed big offer sheets with other teams had them matched by the team? Do you consider those players "traitors" too? It's a business first before anything.

Again, the Knicks thought it was prudent to waste hundreds of millions on lottery teams for players who were downright awful but couldn't pay a year's worth of luxury tax to keep a young, talent point guard on their team.

I still think this is very likely an elaborate ploy and they will match find out soon enough

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CashMoney wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Sucks if true, but I'll choose to remain ignorantly hopeful until midnight. Would love to see Lin develop in a Knick jersey, but as much of a gift as he was last season, losing him is certainly not insurmountable.

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

I know it's been beat to death the past several days, but if Lin really wanted to be here, he could have let that happen. If you're to believe the papers, Knicks were ready to match that initial offer sheet and that got leaked. Is them telling him they will match the offer essentially not an offer of their own? Knicks flubbed this up too, but I don't buy that either party is completely innocent in the whole mess.

3:1 odds that the world keeps spinning after midnight, but that's subject to change.

You realize Lin doesn't control the offer sheet, right? The Rockets wanted to increase it to make it harder for the Knicks to match. Even if Lin stupidly demanded he sign the original sheet, the Rockets wouldn't want that. They wanted this "poison pill" contract to make it harder on the Knicks. The Knicks, meanwhile, never made any effort to sign Lin first. They chased Nash, Kidd and Felton before Lin.

I am so sick of hearing this. Lin controlled if be signed it! Lin controlled the damn structure of the deal! Instead of 5/5/15 he could have said no I want 7/7/11! Lin was not forced to sign this damn offer sheet. The Rockets were desperate-made that way through their own moves- they weren't gonna be able to "dictate" a lot. Have you not heard that Lin and his agents had to NEGOTIATE his offer sheet. Negotiate means he has a say how everything is structured. It is such a load of steaming crap that Lin had no choice and didn't control anything.

Are you kidding me, bro? How does Lin CONTROL A CONTRACT OFFER FROM ANOTHER DAMN TEAM?!?!??!!?!? Explain this stupid reasoning to me. How does Lin demand another team to run its business? How does Lin tell another team to sign him to a smaller contract when that team knows the Knicks will match it? What in God's name is going on with these irrational posts? People call people defending Lin delusional. All I see is garbage written left and right with no facts whatsoever.

1st through negotiations. Once again structure the deal differently or don't sign it. You make it sound like of the Rockets presented him with a deal that was $1/$1/$22, 999,998 he would have to accept it. That is why they NEGOTIATE these things. I believe he is one of 2 things. Either he is the dumbest Harvard grad ever, or he simply didn't want to be a Knick. If the second is true, man up and just say you want to leave and stop acting like some Huckleberry that doesn't know what is happening.

Bro, he has a business degree from Harvard. He can understand the CBA better than most of the bargaining committee.

Do you understand that the Rockets changed the deal so they can make it difficult for the Knicks to match? What's so hard to understand thisK concept?Knicks could've The Knicks were saying we'd match the contract publicly and then the Rockets went ahead and changed the terms of the deal to make it harder for the Knicks. This is not Lin's ckall. Lin didn't negotiate behind anyone's back. the Rockets wanted Lin badly. They set up the contract in a way to make it difficult for the Knicks to match it due to the luxury tax. This has nothing to do with Jeremy Lin demanding more money. Lin signed the final contract that was presented to him. That's the contract the Rockets wanted him to sign. He signed it. The Knicks have paid $120 million for Isiah's lottery teams but felt letting a young talent go for one year of luxury tax payments was a good decision. That's on them, not Lin.

Are you for real? So just because the Rockets wanted him to sign it he has to sign it. My mistake. Wish he had to sign that 4 year 16 mil max contract that the Knicks Coulda offered him. Woulda made this whole thing easier if he didn't have free will.

The Knicks never offered that contract, did they?

Is he supposed to not sign a contract? Was anyone else offering him one? I don't even understand what you're arguing about. He did what any player in the league does when they are free agents - sign for a team who offered him money. There is nothing backhanded to what he did but let's create more conspiracy theories so we can vilify the kid.

Lin did what all players do...go for the most money. However, if his heart was in NYC how hard could it have been to have his agent go to the Knicks and say "Jeremy doesn't want to play anywhere else. Let's come up with a fair number and get it done." and yes this actually does happen in sports.

This may happen in sports when guys have made their money already. Lin hasn't.

So he went for the most $$$ plain and simple. The most the Knicks could have offered him was a 3 year $16.13 million or 5 years at $28.75 mil. He knew it, his agent knew it and the Knicks knew it. Lin is going to exectly where he wants to be. He could have easily went to the Knicks and said the Rockets are offering X. Give me the same deal and I won't sign an offer sheet with them.

The First offer the Rockets gave him the 4 year 28 million last year team option so 3 years 19 mil, Knicks could of did 3 years 16

knicks best offer coulda been 4/24 i think. they could have made the best offer or perhaps they gambled that no one would offer as much as they did, so that way a match would have been easy (still odd gamble). i have doubts the knicks didnt realize a poison pill contract might be used against them.

nyk4ever wrote:well its a bittersweet day. i think once lin went back and renegotiated with the rockets and added that poison pill that he sealed his fate. if he wanted to stay with the knicks, he shouldn't have done so.

Yea... they tell Lin to find his market value, he does so and then don't match. Blame Lin, it's his fault.

NumberTwoPencil wrote:...way to take the heat off Isiah's legacy...

Ha.

I think this was a breathtakingly stupid move on Dolan's part. Nothing for Lin? Sure, the Knicks might have decided he's overrated or his knee injury was serious or whatever but letting one of the hottest assets in the league leave without getting, oh, a fist full of second rounders or whatever is just stupid. The _only_ thing this accomplishes is that Houston may have cap issues in three years. Whatever.

I do think Lin and his agent might have weighed Dolan's batsh#t crazy against the generally rational Rockets management. I don't like Houston as a city but at this point I'm probably as much of a Rockets fan as a Knicks fan just because the Rockets are about 10 times smarter about basketball than Dolan. I'm still a Lin fan--I'll be delighted to see him in next year's all star game.

Getting rid of al your PG's in order to give a ridiculous contract to a player you had and released is smart? Also, trying to give up the farm for a player coming off of major back surgery who may test free agency but you're ok with it because you think you might be able to talk him into staying is smart?

smackeddog wrote:Screw Lin, let's go with what we have. Wish we'd kept him, think its the wrong decision but I'm a Knick fan first and some guys on this team actually want to be here.

I for one didn't want to see Lin leave, but many people are making this guy out to be the next Jordan (which I think is the best player, and I also hate him). I am sure that he will be a good player, but I am very comfortable with the Knicks letting him go. I think the Rocket's contract is crazy. Honestly, none of us know how he will perform without decent players around him. We will just have to wait and see.

Gymkata wrote:My bullet-pointed thoughts (assuming Lin truly is gone):

1. Good luck Jeremy. Honestly. Linsanity was the most fun I had with the Knicks since LJ's 4-point play. Much appreciated.

2. I do think he lost some of his underdog luster along the way, and that tarnishes his image a bit for me. But I'm glad he can now afford his own couch to sleep on.

3. Felton is no slouch and deserves better than lame fat jokes. He was a great Knick and I'm happy to have him back.

4. If this is a basketball/locker-room chemistry decision then I think it's oddly encouraging. You might vehemently disagree with the rationalization, but this strikes me as a non-Dolan move (at least looked through the "starphuck/jersey-selling prism"). Maybe he's listening to his basketball guys? Maybe?

5. Bring on Prigioni-anity!

I think Prigioni-mania has a better ring to it :)

I'm excited to get a first look at him playing against the US team