nixluva wrote:Way too many Knick fans are not seeing this is a WIN NOW TEAM!!!! If you can add a player that makes EVERYONE better and has tons of experience then you have to do it. I hate losing Shump but this is not a rebuilding young team! Nash, Lin, Melo, STAT n Tyson is a title ready lineup!!! Then we still have the ability to add more using MLE, LLE... This is a no brainer!!!!

We must get more out of what we have and that's what Nash does best.

Nash and Amare are bad defenders plain and simple.

ATrain wrote:

nixluva wrote:Way too many Knick fans are not seeing this is a WIN NOW TEAM!!!! If you can add a player that makes EVERYONE better and has tons of experience then you have to do it. I hate losing Shump but this is not a rebuilding young team! Nash, Lin, Melo, STAT n Tyson is a title ready lineup!!! Then we still have the ability to add more using MLE, LLE... This is a no brainer!!!!

We must get more out of what we have and that's what Nash does best.

That lineup can't defend. Also, as good as the heat are, they showed this season that it still take quality role players to win.

I disagree!!!! Our starters couldn't score last year. It was our bench that did all the real defending, not the starters. As long as you have STAT N MELO in there you will not have great D. BUT... You can have GREAT OFFENSE!!! STAT over 50%, Nash 50% and Tyson over 50%! As long as u have Nash it will maximize the talent you have and that includes your stars as well as role players. Nash almost got the Suns in the playoffs and they had NOTHING!

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:You can't get a guy still playing at a Hall-of-Fame level for free. Shump is just an injured role player. This is still a steal.

Our roster will have 4 stars, no depth and no perimeter defense. And our average age will be 29 or 30? Now Nash is an awesome player, good teammmate and a stand up guy. A lot will depend on whether he can make Amare look like amare again and whether Melo is willing to share the spotlight. I would say there is a 60% chance of the first and a 30% chance of the second, combined that's about 18% chance of success. I think shumpert is easily the second best defender on the team and has at least a 50% chance of recovery and would be great for us for years to come. I don't see this as a good trade.

Oh, and I d idn't even factor in how bad our perimeter defense will be.

nixluva wrote:

ATrain wrote:

nixluva wrote:Way too many Knick fans are not seeing this is a WIN NOW TEAM!!!! If you can add a player that makes EVERYONE better and has tons of experience then you have to do it. I hate losing Shump but this is not a rebuilding young team! Nash, Lin, Melo, STAT n Tyson is a title ready lineup!!! Then we still have the ability to add more using MLE, LLE... This is a no brainer!!!!

We must get more out of what we have and that's what Nash does best.

That lineup can't defend. Also, as good as the heat are, they showed this season that it still take quality role players to win.

I disagree!!!! Our starters couldn't score last year. It was our bench that did all the real defending, not the starters. As long as you have STAT N MELO in there you will not have great D. BUT... You can have GREAT OFFENSE!!! STAT over 50%, Nash 50% and Tyson over 50%! As long as u have Nash it will maximize the talent you have and that includes your stars as well as role players. Nash almost got the Suns in the playoffs and they had NOTHING!

You do realize that with the exception of JR and One Trick Pony Novak all of our "bench defenders" will be going to Phx for Nash. What you are saying is all good and great for the regular season, but does not help us in the playoffs. Nobody is questioning Nash's ability to make this team better but in order for this squad to be championship contenders, we need ALL the pieces. And that includes Shumpert.

Eastern Conference:
Bulls - Derrick Rose
Boston - Rondo
Miami - Dwade
Nets - Deron

All these guys are top players who Shumpert did a great job defending against. We can't beat any of these teams in a playoff series with having these guys shut down.

Knicksfan wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--knicks-emerge-as-frontrunners-to-land-steve-nash.html

According to this, we are frontrunners with a package of Shumpert, Douglas and Gadzuric.

What do you guys think about that package? Of course losing Shump would suck, but as a package how do you see the move?

Shump is injured; may not play at all next year, and can't shoot from outside. Altho I love his D and tenacity. Toney Doug played very poorly last year (23% from 3 pt and 2 assists/game) and has also been injured. Gadzuric is old and played in only 2 games for us for a total of 13 minutes with 0 pts.

We get rid of $5 mil in salary and take on some more with Nash. Getting Nash is a no brainer for this package.

IrishKnickFan wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We are talking about a trading a 21yr old for a 40yr old pg

well to be fair he is 37 and is a 2 time mvp. Shump who i love is a great defender but doesnt have an offensive game and he suffered a very serious injury that who knows how long it may take him to get back to normal

shouldn't we be really really really fair and just say Nash is 38?