STATMELO wrote:I want Lamar Odom. Odom had a really tough year, this season with the whole car accident failed CP3 trade thing. He didn't want to be a Maverick and wasn't motivated. Odom will work out all Summer, and will come back in great shape. Khloe and Lamar is over I think it was canceled, Odom wants to focus on basketball. Just two years ago he was Sixth Man of the Year and put up 14,9 and 3 off the bench. The talent is still there. Odom has 2 rings, so he brings the championship pedigree. We get Odom, we don't have to go out and spend money on a backup PG, because of his ability as a Point Forward. He reminds me of Anthony Mason. I can't believe you guys rather give LaVoy Allen or Ryan Hollins, 3 million as opposed to Odom. LMAO Ryan Hollins sucks!

I think I'm the only one going hard over Lavoy and Hollins. And you're gonna eat those words. Allen's probably gonna be a sixer, but I think he will be a force as a 4/5.
Hollins has improved dramatically and has shown he can contribute to a winning club.
Yes, I would give either one of them money instead of Odom. Hands down.

With that being said, I'll be happy if we win games. I just wish we would continue to develop guys, we've had success in the past, Lee, Ariza, Gallo... but then we move them for older guys that don't pan out. And I'm afraid that's what will happen with Odom.

JohnStarksFan wrote:

STATMELO wrote:I want Lamar Odom. Odom had a really tough year, this season with the whole car accident failed CP3 trade thing. He didn't want to be a Maverick and wasn't motivated. Odom will work out all Summer, and will come back in great shape. Khloe and Lamar is over I think it was canceled, Odom wants to focus on basketball. Just two years ago he was Sixth Man of the Year and put up 14,9 and 3 off the bench. The talent is still there. Odom has 2 rings, so he brings the championship pedigree. We get Odom, we don't have to go out and spend money on a backup PG, because of his ability as a Point Forward. He reminds me of Anthony Mason. I can't believe you guys rather give LaVoy Allen or Ryan Hollins, 3 million as opposed to Odom. LMAO Ryan Hollins sucks!

I think I'm the only one going hard over Lavoy and Hollins. And you're gonna eat those words. Allen's probably gonna be a sixer, but I think he will be a force as a 4/5.
Hollins has improved dramatically and has shown he can contribute to a winning club.
Yes, I would give either one of them money instead of Odom. Hands down.

With that being said, I'll be happy if we win games. I just wish we would continue to develop guys, we've had success in the past, Lee, Ariza, Gallo... but then we move them for older guys that don't pan out. And I'm afraid that's what will happen with Odom.

JohnStarksFan wrote:

STATMELO wrote:

JohnStarksFan wrote:

STATMELO wrote:I want Lamar Odom. Odom had a really tough year, this season with the whole car accident failed CP3 trade thing. He didn't want to be a Maverick and wasn't motivated. Odom will work out all Summer, and will come back in great shape. Khloe and Lamar is over I think it was canceled, Odom wants to focus on basketball. Just two years ago he was Sixth Man of the Year and put up 14,9 and 3 off the bench. The talent is still there. Odom has 2 rings, so he brings the championship pedigree. We get Odom, we don't have to go out and spend money on a backup PG, because of his ability as a Point Forward. He reminds me of Anthony Mason. I can't believe you guys rather give LaVoy Allen or Ryan Hollins, 3 million as opposed to Odom. LMAO Ryan Hollins sucks!

I think I'm the only one going hard over Lavoy and Hollins. And you're gonna eat those words. Allen's probably gonna be a sixer, but I think he will be a force as a 4/5.
Hollins has improved dramatically and has shown he can contribute to a winning club.
Yes, I would give either one of them money instead of Odom. Hands down.

With that being said, I'll be happy if we win games. I just wish we would continue to develop guys, we've had success in the past, Lee, Ariza, Gallo... but then we move them for older guys that don't pan out. And I'm afraid that's what will happen with Odom.

Maybe Allen is worth three million, I like the way he's played in the playoffs. Hollins however is a career bench warmer, the guy once again registered a PER under 10. He looks better because Rondo is making him look good. Hollins is nothing but an energy player with athleticism, and length. Hollins is not a good rebounder, is too light to be a factor defensively, has no jumpshot or post moves. Hollins is terrible. He'll be lucky to get half of three million during free agency.

Thanks for the validation.
But that's EXACTLY why I think we should go after Hollins, especially if the early bird rights don't come through for Lin and Novak. He would cost less than Odom, and could have an impact/learn a lot from Chandler and STAT coming off the bench. And I disagree, I think his length and strength make him very useful inside. He has Jeffries ability to step into the play, but is bigger and longer and can block shots. Hollins for 1.2 million, why the hell not?

RonRon wrote:

JohnStarksFan wrote:

STATMELO wrote:

JohnStarksFan wrote:

STATMELO wrote:I want Lamar Odom. Odom had a really tough year, this season with the whole car accident failed CP3 trade thing. He didn't want to be a Maverick and wasn't motivated. Odom will work out all Summer, and will come back in great shape. Khloe and Lamar is over I think it was canceled, Odom wants to focus on basketball. Just two years ago he was Sixth Man of the Year and put up 14,9 and 3 off the bench. The talent is still there. Odom has 2 rings, so he brings the championship pedigree. We get Odom, we don't have to go out and spend money on a backup PG, because of his ability as a Point Forward. He reminds me of Anthony Mason. I can't believe you guys rather give LaVoy Allen or Ryan Hollins, 3 million as opposed to Odom. LMAO Ryan Hollins sucks!

I think I'm the only one going hard over Lavoy and Hollins. And you're gonna eat those words. Allen's probably gonna be a sixer, but I think he will be a force as a 4/5.
Hollins has improved dramatically and has shown he can contribute to a winning club.
Yes, I would give either one of them money instead of Odom. Hands down.

With that being said, I'll be happy if we win games. I just wish we would continue to develop guys, we've had success in the past, Lee, Ariza, Gallo... but then we move them for older guys that don't pan out. And I'm afraid that's what will happen with Odom.

Maybe Allen is worth three million, I like the way he's played in the playoffs. Hollins however is a career bench warmer, the guy once again registered a PER under 10. He looks better because Rondo is making him look good. Hollins is nothing but an energy player with athleticism, and length. Hollins is not a good rebounder, is too light to be a factor defensively, has no jumpshot or post moves. Hollins is terrible. He'll be lucky to get half of three million during free agency.

Thanks for the validation.
But that's EXACTLY why I think we should go after Hollins, especially if the early bird rights don't come through for Lin and Novak. He would cost less than Odom, and could have an impact/learn a lot from Chandler and STAT coming off the bench. And I disagree, I think his length and strength make him very useful inside. He has Jeffries ability to step into the play, but is bigger and longer and can block shots. Hollins for 1.2 million, why the hell not?

they are completely different players and should not be compared with one another. Hollins is a great veterans minimum target because of his size, athleticism, length, and youth.
He should be compared with players like Brandon Wright and Mahimi. There are holes to his game, but for his skills above, if he had a post presence, and better game he wouldn't be a veteran minimum player.

Yea, you're right, but we have other holes to fill, especially in the guard spot so we can have fields back up melo at the 3. Hollins gives us the rebounding and defensive presence and energy that we need, now the scoring can come from somewhere else. Hollins and another 1.5 mill combo guard to back up the starters if the early bird rights don't come through. IMO, when it comes to this Odom deal, 2 younger guys that play his (potential) roles is better than the risk/expense.

RonRon wrote:Also, we have to consider Jordan and Jorts, I think Jordan is signed for his 2nd year, while Jorts team option isn't picked up yet.
So we can't dedicate too many spots to the center position. I would like to keep Jorts and see how he develops before letting him go.
I do think we need another C though, i just don't know if we should be looking for 2 PF/C instead because of the roster spots.

I really wonder what Camby would cost and if he would be able to play the PF for us with Chandler as center.
Camby has always been a great weak side shot blocker, but he rarely has ever played with a legit Center, for most of his career.
Kaman and an aged Ewing, or a player closer to PF with Nene with good athleticism.
We might not be very good offensively and pretty with that combo, but I can see them cleaning up many offensive possessions and being a great shot blocking tandem.
This could help our ability to fast break and change tempos a lot.

Houston, started the season with Dalembert, but Camby took his starting spot, and is a UFA.
While Dalembert has only a partial guarantee with an early opt out, but his contract is very tradeable at 7m.
Every year, Camby seems to get an great deal, one after another, considering his age, and injuries.
He has never gotten a MLE type $ every, much higher, and closer to double it.
I don't know if 3m would be a reasonable offer in his eyes today, considering his last couple of offers.

JohnStarksFan wrote:

RonRon wrote:Also, we have to consider Jordan and Jorts, I think Jordan is signed for his 2nd year, while Jorts team option isn't picked up yet.
So we can't dedicate too many spots to the center position. I would like to keep Jorts and see how he develops before letting him go.
I do think we need another C though, i just don't know if we should be looking for 2 PF/C instead because of the roster spots.

I really wonder what Camby would cost and if he would be able to play the PF for us with Chandler as center.
Camby has always been a great weak side shot blocker, but he rarely has ever played with a legit Center, for most of his career.
Kaman and an aged Ewing, or a player closer to PF with Nene with good athleticism.
We might not be very good offensively and pretty with that combo, but I can see them cleaning up many offensive possessions and being a great shot blocking tandem.
This could help our ability to fast break and change tempos a lot.

Houston, started the season with Dalembert, but Camby took his starting spot, and is a UFA.
While Dalembert has only a partial guarantee with an early opt out, but his contract is very tradeable at 7m.
Every year, Camby seems to get an great deal, one after another, considering his age, and injuries.
He has never gotten a MLE type $ every, much higher, and closer to double it.
I don't know if 3m would be a reasonable offer in his eyes today, considering his last couple of offers.

Not now on Camby. Not a good look. He would be a much better addition to club that has already meshed. He is not what this club as it is needs. And I stand by my point that old legs won't get the job done here. I think Melo, STAT, and Tyson need to be able to truly show their veteran leadership, not be surrounded by guys older and more experienced than them. Camby would be more than 3 mill. Hollins (or another player like him) would be a lot less and would give us the same presence and is moldable and NINE YEARS YOUNGER.

Many said the same thing about 4 years ago, when he was still in Denver.

RonRon wrote:Hollins would be a great pick up for the veterans minimum.
While there are other plays that would be in the range like

Kenyon Martin, he looked great in the playoffs.
Reggie Evans, i think he is a 10th man role, although he is a good rebounder, hustle player, and energy guy, he just isn't a scoring threat enough with Chandler, I question their ability to work offensively.

While I think spending that little extra on players like, for younger players

Mahihmi
Brandon Wright

JJ Hickson, he might cost the most because he has put up great numbers when given the opportunity in Cleveland and Portland.

I would love to add

Odom
Ak47

because they would compliment Chandler at the PF and would bring a different balance to the team.

Mahihmi I think Dallas has his early bird rights.
Brandon Wright has a team option for under 1m, so Dallas will most likely pick him back up.

Kenyon Martin

Grabbing 3 players could really help us with Martin being the veteran minimum.
And using a portion of the MLE for one and LLE for one

Odom
AK47

Of all these players I'm most on board with Hickson because he's scoring and boards, but he's out of reach.
And K-Mart would be #2 despite his age. In limited minutes, he can be a great compliment to our front court. I think he fits our current group.