TheloniusMonk wrote:One and done. Case closed. Nothing to talk about here. Will be the same next year and for years to come. Sorry guys.

CrushAlot wrote:

TheloniusMonk wrote:One and done. Case closed. Nothing to talk about here. Will be the same next year and for years to come. Sorry guys.

They probably should have won game 4(?) When Gallo got leveled on a moving screen and was accused of being a euro flopping. That play reminded me a lot of the game where Tyson got called for a flagrant foul on Lebron. Its hard to imagine the Lakers not getting it to a game 7 but they were a different team once mega world war was back. He had a huge impact in game 7. I had a hard time staying awake for last nights game but it seemed like every time I was up he was hitting another clutch three.

In the end, we're talking another first round exit. As I see it....no story there.

Nalod wrote:The story is they took the lakes 7 games post Melo.

The Story is they home grew some utes and promoted them to starter status.

They shedded Nene and got a misfit to fit.

Gallo is very inconsistent and when that happens he disappears. They stop giving him the ball.

The Mayer was hurt.

The story is even if no better or no worse than the knicks, they did it without their former star.

That does not make the knicks season any better or worse but these two franchise' are linked due to the trade.

Its pretty lame. See you guys next year, maybe we can chat hoops then ;)

TheloniusMonk wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TheloniusMonk wrote:One and done. Case closed. Nothing to talk about here. Will be the same next year and for years to come. Sorry guys.

They probably should have won game 4(?) When Gallo got leveled on a moving screen and was accused of being a euro flopping. That play reminded me a lot of the game where Tyson got called for a flagrant foul on Lebron. Its hard to imagine the Lakers not getting it to a game 7 but they were a different team once mega world war was back. He had a huge impact in game 7. I had a hard time staying awake for last nights game but it seemed like every time I was up he was hitting another clutch three.

In the end, we're talking another first round exit. As I see it....no story there.

Totally true, but the Nuggets are REBUILDING, they have flexible salary cap, a bunch of young players and future draft picks (courtesy of the Knicks) going their way and they just took the Lakers to 7 games. Very encouraging if you ask me, what’s not to like?

As far as my team (the Knicks), a lot of people around here blame the injuries for our lack of competitiveness against the Heat, but in the first game of the series, we had almost every one healthy enough to play (without Lin obviously) and we still got blown out by 33.
I believe our stars were not ready for the challenge, just like they were not ready at the start of the season, very disappointed on them honestly.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:You want to say that not all of the Nuggets' success is due to the Melo trade? Fine. What does it say though when your impact on the team can be easily replaced by guys like Gallo, Moz, and Andre Miller?

Uh ...

How about:

TY LAWSON!! he shined when Billups left and he became the man
Faried - with Lawson is by far the big difference in this team - SEE WIN SHARES
Affalo - has come into his own - no longer losing PT to the great JR SMITH
McGee - Great Trade
Brewer - GREAT DEFENSE off the bench and has been a great spark in the playoffs

OK, you're a top 10 superstar but you can be replaced by Ty Lawson and some role players. Lawson's production actually hasn't been any higher than Billups' was anyway.

so, you're saying it took 3 or 4 players to replace what Melo (one man) gave to the Nuggets? ok. Nuggets aren't being successful because of the pieces they got from the Knicks. I really wish people would stop comparing these two teams because it's two completely different situations

If you were a GM would you take
Lawson over Lin (most would take Lawson)
Affalo is better than Shumpert at the present time
Melo is better than Gallo and Chandler, but the margin when both kids are healthy isn't as wide
Would you rather have Faried than Amare, I think most people would say yes
Is Chandler a big upgrade over MGlee and Moz lets not overate our guy

If you logically breakdown the teams the Knicks literally have an advantage at one position and that's the small forward. This isn't really isn't up for debate either. Shumpert has bad legs, lin played 16 games, Melo hasn't proven nearly as valuable as everyone has given him credit for. Chandler's value is really hard to gauge because he has no offensive skill and is an elite defender playing with medicore defensive players and he doesn't take over a game altering shots of imposing his will.

So going forward neither team is a championship contender, but the Nuggets are a better team.

MS wrote:Are the Nuggets the better team? Yes. Did they have a better record in a tougher confernce?

If you were a GM would you take
Lawson over Lin (most would take Lawson)
Affalo is better than Shumpert at the present time
Melo is better than Gallo and Chandler, but the margin when both kids are healthy isn't as wide
Would you rather have Faried than Amare, I think most people would say yes
Is Chandler a big upgrade over MGlee and Moz lets not overate our guy

If you logically breakdown the teams the Knicks literally have an advantage at one position and that's the small forward. This isn't really isn't up for debate either. Shumpert has bad legs, lin played 16 games, Melo hasn't proven nearly as valuable as everyone has given him credit for. Chandler's value is really hard to gauge because he has no offensive skill and is an elite defender playing with medicore defensive players and he doesn't take over a game altering shots of imposing his will.

So going forward neither team is a championship contender, but the Nuggets are a better team.

Right On
+10000000000000000

KnicksFE wrote:

MS wrote:Are the Nuggets the better team? Yes. Did they have a better record in a tougher confernce?

If you were a GM would you take
Lawson over Lin (most would take Lawson)
Affalo is better than Shumpert at the present time
Melo is better than Gallo and Chandler, but the margin when both kids are healthy isn't as wide
Would you rather have Faried than Amare, I think most people would say yes
Is Chandler a big upgrade over MGlee and Moz lets not overate our guy

If you logically breakdown the teams the Knicks literally have an advantage at one position and that's the small forward. This isn't really isn't up for debate either. Shumpert has bad legs, lin played 16 games, Melo hasn't proven nearly as valuable as everyone has given him credit for. Chandler's value is really hard to gauge because he has no offensive skill and is an elite defender playing with medicore defensive players and he doesn't take over a game altering shots of imposing his will.

So going forward neither team is a championship contender, but the Nuggets are a better team.

Right On
+10000000000000000

The Nuggets are not a better team just because you say so.....When healthy, i'll take the Knicks....

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Sorry, speedball don't work in the playoffs. Works a little against slower halfcourt teams(Lakers), but size and experience won out in game 7. Nuggets aren't going anywhere in the near future, no go to player.

I think the Nuggs have a good future ahead of them. Lots of young players, all with plenty of upside. They do need a backup PG (Andre Miller old) and another player to step up as a closer for them to go a lot further.

It's strange to me that you suggest the Nuggets aren't going anywhere in the near future because they have no go-to player: Didn't the just trade one of the better go-to players.... whose teams really didn't go anywhere? It's more than just having a go-to player.

And why doesn't speedball work in the playoffs? It does for Miami. It did for the Lakers and Magic. Spurs push tempo whenever then can. PHO used it pretty well too.

Playoff basketball typically come down to defense and half court execution. Sure, run outs off turnovers like what Miami does or the Spurs do to score easy transition buckets help. But for the most part, you'll get grind it out affairs under 100 pts that are won in the 4th quarter like the Philly-Boston series, Miami-Indy game 1, Clippers-Grizzlies round 1 series. The Nuggets whole philosophy is to run off ever miss, every turnover, every basket etc. It worked for awhile against a slow, halfcourt based team like the Lakers for the most part in 7 games, but when push came to shove, got worn down inside and annihilated on the glass by Bynum and Gasol in the 4th quarter. So yes, having a Lebron, Parker, Pierce, Paul in the 4th quarter does matter in the playoffs when it slows down. Speedball can work for a few games, maybe win a series, but ultimately doesn't succeed in the big picture.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Sorry, speedball don't work in the playoffs. Works a little against slower halfcourt teams(Lakers), but size and experience won out in game 7. Nuggets aren't going anywhere in the near future, no go to player.

I think the Nuggs have a good future ahead of them. Lots of young players, all with plenty of upside. They do need a backup PG (Andre Miller old) and another player to step up as a closer for them to go a lot further.

It's strange to me that you suggest the Nuggets aren't going anywhere in the near future because they have no go-to player: Didn't the just trade one of the better go-to players.... whose teams really didn't go anywhere? It's more than just having a go-to player.

And why doesn't speedball work in the playoffs? It does for Miami. It did for the Lakers and Magic. Spurs push tempo whenever then can. PHO used it pretty well too.

Playoff basketball typically come down to defense and half court execution. Sure, run outs off turnovers like what Miami does or the Spurs do to score easy transition buckets help. But for the most part, you'll get grind it out affairs under 100 pts that are won in the 4th quarter like the Philly-Boston series, Miami-Indy game 1, Clippers-Grizzlies round 1 series. The Nuggets whole philosophy is to run off ever miss, every turnover, every basket etc. It worked for awhile against a slow, halfcourt based team like the Lakers for the most part in 7 games, but when push came to shove, got worn down inside and annihilated on the glass by Bynum and Gasol in the 4th quarter. So yes, having a Lebron, Parker, Pierce, Paul in the 4th quarter does matter in the playoffs when it slows down. Speedball can work for a few games, maybe win a series, but ultimately doesn't succeed in the big picture.

Neither does starphuching!

Cuz if it did we'd be world champs many times over!

one of the symptoms of starphuching is having a great on paper team but they get injured.

It happens more to starphuched teams than the unstarphuched.

AMare cuts his hand. Starphuched teams do stupid things. His play most of the year has not been better than Bosh.

Starphuched teams have old guys like Baron and BIbby. Lin was hurt. Starphuched teams don't abuse their ute like MDA did gettng Linsanity to save the day.

The Starphuched underachieved. The KNuggs over achieved. One day they might have to make decisions about players and trade them or decide if they want to take on the financial aspect of trying to win a championship. But for now they are rebuilding.

Starphuched teams don't rebuild because they never suck enough or they trade their picks chasing an instant fix.

Boston Starphucked and it works for them. It can be done, we just have not been successful at it.

Maybe we can going forward.

Maybe part of the starphuch is to make us hopeful enough to support the team.

Cuz on paper it all looks so damn good each year!

Obsessed with Starphuching much? Forget the rosters, stars, etc. I'm talking basic playoff basketball. It's defense and halfcourt offense that wins most of the time. That's why a roster of mostly younger aged role players, Philly, was able to grind out a playoff win at the garden. They didn't run circles around Boston or play uptempo style basketball. They out grinded Boston. For all of the Nuggets young talent, they won't advance far due to style and basketball philosophy.