Nalod wrote:Denver is the same as are we.

There is no agenda, its just 100 game sample. WE are 50-50.

Melo is singularly a better talent than anyone in the trade by far.

The trade if Melo-Chandler for Moz-Felton-Gallo-Wilson-Gallo is a no brainer.

Its a no brainer trade but has not really changed the results. No doubt the season was far more intereting!

Denver was making the playoffs and sniffed at the conference finals one year with Melo.
Denver is still making the playoffs. And still getting wiped in the first round now.

We were sucking pigeon penis and mumbling about cap space and potential and what Larry and IT and Starbles were going to do next.
We are now in the playoffs two years running. Is it all about Melo? No way. But please don't say what we were before is the same as what we are now. You make no sense stating that, you just sound like typical NY media non-homer, never-happy-except-during-the-parade boilerplate.

Please do not tell me an overused, broken down Stat and the company of no brainer stuff you just listed above was taking us anywhere "interesting".

At some point in time, you're going to need medication to handle this bipolar logic thing.

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:Dirk an MVP dude.

Dirk got a ring.

Dirk got to finals twice.

You forgot?

Dirk take lots of shots.

Dirk put up big numbers.

Kobe also MVP

Kobe also got rings.

Kobe been to finals more times than Dirk even.

You forgot?

Point is, nobody's worrying about Dirk getting triple doubles or making threads about his defensive prowess or how he suddenly made JKidd and Caron Butler and Tyson Chandler better or how he makes hot dogs taste better and Texas a great place to live and Cuban less annoying.

He. Takes. Lots. Of. Shots. He. Puts. Up. Big. Numbers. He. Has. Succeeded. Doing. So.

End of point.

We talking about Melo! not kobe, not Dirk, but MELO! C'mon man! MELO?

We talking about this statement:

There's more to winning than being able to take a ton of shots and put up big numbers.

Someone's got to put the ball in the basket. This isn't the 1960's anymore. It's nice and retro to think every game has to be getting everyone a double double, but it's not happening anymore. Bill Russell retired, and there was and always will be only one of him.

See BK.

See AI even. Man went to the Finals, didn't he?

Tons of shots. Tons of Numbers. Winning.

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:Denver is the same as are we.

There is no agenda, its just 100 game sample. WE are 50-50.

Melo is singularly a better talent than anyone in the trade by far.

The trade if Melo-Chandler for Moz-Felton-Gallo-Wilson-Gallo is a no brainer.

Its a no brainer trade but has not really changed the results. No doubt the season was far more intereting!

Denver was making the playoffs and sniffed at the conference finals one year with Melo.
Denver is still making the playoffs. And still getting wiped in the first round now.

We were sucking pigeon penis and mumbling about cap space and potential and what Larry and IT and Starbles were going to do next.
We are now in the playoffs two years running. Is it all about Melo? No way. But please don't say what we were before is the same as what we are now. You make no sense stating that, you just sound like typical NY media non-homer, never-happy-except-during-the-parade boilerplate.

Please do not tell me an overused, broken down Stat and the company of no brainer stuff you just listed above was taking us anywhere "interesting".

At some point in time, you're going to need medication to handle this bipolar logic thing.

6 games over .500 and in the sixth seed until the trade rumors rattled our young guys. Young guys are fragile.

Were were not sucking. Felton was looking good and the ball movement was excellent. Felton would be a free agent this year.

There is no way to say we would not have made a run at Cp3, deron or Dwight and stayed in that state. If so, we had cap space to bring a player into that mix. Im sure a trade to uncrowd things could have been done.

What ever, but make no mistake we were well on our way to making the playoffs last season WITHOUT MELO!

So are we better with Melo? Worse? on unchanged.

Melo brings "Star POwer". Its a draw and it sells tickets. That is not a bad thing. MSG is in buisness to make money and provide value entertainment.

Denver is no worse after losing him but are set up for a rebuild and still made the playoffs.

To me, Denver is winning in the W-L column. KNicks are winning in revenue.

Revenue does not do anything for me. Im a fan of the team.

If we taking about pigeon Penis and your elevated sense of entitlent being a NYC resident thinking your a better person than a resident of Denver then I should rethink who I am debating with.

I took the bait up until now. I thought this would be an good conversation.

MS wrote:
It’s embarrassing that anyone on this board would defend Carmelo.
It speaks to the mediocrity of some people that they allow themselves to be fooled by what they have seen. Here are the facts, Melo had strong talent around him in Denver perhaps he wasn’t as important to the team’s success considering the team played better after they traded him. They lost Chandler, Smith, K-Mart in the offseason and were still better than the Knicks this season.

Melo is overweight, he has shot a low percentage since coming here, his record is barely .500, he quit on his teammates got the coach fired and refused to play anything, but isolation basketball. The same way he forced a trade last season because he was too stupid to take the same deal all his buddies had.
Much like last year Melo has been very mediocre in the playoffs with the exception of one game. Which makes everyone forget how he played in the series.

We are a 7th seed that will win one game in the playoffs. The Knicks have the highest prices in the entire league are in the biggest market in the country and we are arguing about the talents of a player we traded multiple draft picks and players for only to be capped out and praying two young guards turn into fringe all-star talent so we can lock up a 4 seed.

It’s embarrassing that anyone on this board would defend Carmelo.

Your right, its embarrassing when a Knick fan roots for a Knick player. Shame on us.

Here are the facts, Melo had strong talent around him in Denver perhaps he wasn’t as important to the team’s success considering the team played better after they traded him

How did the Nuggs play better when he left? I must have been watching the wrong WCF last year?
The Nuggs were always a deeper team than us even before the trade, however, since Woodson took over, we were the better team than the Nuggs.

Melo is overweight, he has shot a low percentage since coming here, his record is barely .500, he quit on his teammates got the coach fired and refused to play anything, but isolation basketball. The same way he forced a trade last season because he was too stupid to take the same deal all his buddies had.

I thought MDA quit? At least thats what Grundwald and Houston seemed to say. Melo didn't refuse to play anything else, it just didn't make any sense to have one of the premier mid-range players camp outside the 3 point line as if he was Shawn Williams. It wasn't a good fit and MDA was too stubborn to change his philosophy. The same stubborness that cost him his job in Pho. Melo, Too stupid? He got his money and he's playing in NY.

Much like last year Melo has been very mediocre in the playoffs with the exception of one game. Which makes everyone forget how he played in the series.

Kind of hard to play well in the playoffs when you have to carry the offensive load all by yourself while playing alongside D league allstars while Billups and Stat watch in their suits. Celtics game plan was to send everyone at Melo and dare the rest to shoot. And it worked. Remember game 2, Fields had the ball in the air with a chance to win but clanked it....

We are a 7th seed that will win one game in the playoffs. The Knicks have the highest prices in the entire league are in the biggest market in the country and we are arguing about the talents of a player we traded multiple draft picks and players for only to be capped out and praying two young guards turn into fringe all-star talent so we can lock up a 4 seed.

Other than the Spurs, we were playing as well as anyone in the league (under Woodson) before the Lin and Stat injuries. Even after. There's not doubt in my mind that if we come back healthy, we will be 1 of the top 3 teams in the east.

jrodmc wrote:

Uptown wrote:

MS wrote:
It’s embarrassing that anyone on this board would defend Carmelo.
It speaks to the mediocrity of some people that they allow themselves to be fooled by what they have seen. Here are the facts, Melo had strong talent around him in Denver perhaps he wasn’t as important to the team’s success considering the team played better after they traded him. They lost Chandler, Smith, K-Mart in the offseason and were still better than the Knicks this season.

Melo is overweight, he has shot a low percentage since coming here, his record is barely .500, he quit on his teammates got the coach fired and refused to play anything, but isolation basketball. The same way he forced a trade last season because he was too stupid to take the same deal all his buddies had.
Much like last year Melo has been very mediocre in the playoffs with the exception of one game. Which makes everyone forget how he played in the series.

We are a 7th seed that will win one game in the playoffs. The Knicks have the highest prices in the entire league are in the biggest market in the country and we are arguing about the talents of a player we traded multiple draft picks and players for only to be capped out and praying two young guards turn into fringe all-star talent so we can lock up a 4 seed.

It’s embarrassing that anyone on this board would defend Carmelo.

Your right, its embarrassing when a Knick fan roots for a Knick player. Shame on us.

Here are the facts, Melo had strong talent around him in Denver perhaps he wasn’t as important to the team’s success considering the team played better after they traded him

How did the Nuggs play better when he left? I must have been watching the wrong WCF last year?
The Nuggs were always a deeper team than un even before the trade, however, since Woodson took over, we were the better team than the Nuggs.

Melo is overweight, he has shot a low percentage since coming here, his record is barely .500, he quit on his teammates got the coach fired and refused to play anything, but isolation basketball. The same way he forced a trade last season because he was too stupid to take the same deal all his buddies had.

I thought MDA quit? At least thats what Grundwals and Houston seemed to say. He didn't refuse to play anything else, it just didn't make any sense to have one of the premier mid-range players camp outside the 3 point line as if he was Shawn Williams. It wasn't a good fit and MDA was too stubbonr to change his philosophy. The same stubborness that cost hi his job in Pho. Melo, Too stupid? He got his money and he's playing in NY.

Much like last year Melo has been very mediocre in the playoffs with the exception of one game. Which makes everyone forget how he played in the series.

Kind of hard to play well in the playoffs when you have to carry the offensive load all by yourself while playing alongside D league allstars while Billups and Stat watch in their suits. Celtics game plan was to send everyone at Melo and dare the rest to shoot. and it worked. Remember game 2, Fields had the ball in the air with to a chance to win but clanked it....

We are a 7th seed that will win one game in the playoffs. The Knicks have the highest prices in the entire league are in the biggest market in the country and we are arguing about the talents of a player we traded multiple draft picks and players for only to be capped out and praying two young guards turn into fringe all-star talent so we can lock up a 4 seed.

Other then the Spurs, we were playing as well as anyone in the league (under Woodson) before the Lin and Stat injuries. There not doubt in my mind that if we come back healthy, we will be 1 of the top 3 teams in the east.

Please stop confusing the issue with facts. Only hate will do. Absolutely mindless hate and love for a WC team that up until the HORRID TRADE no one gave two rat sheets about. Except maybe about Birdman's weird tats.

Now suddenly Denver is a beautiful place, with hiking and mountains and idyllic scenery and they have a great team ready to rebuild and go on to all the greatness that has been their birthright since they were the Denver Rockets. In that basketball hotbed that has always been Colorado. I mean really, what would the NBA be without the Nuggets??? Every self-proclaimed basketball enthusiast should live there, or at least aspire to.

Melo had such great talent in Denver, it's insane that they haven't racked up chip after chip since 2004. Look at all the HOF players he played with! Such a loser that Melo is, dragging down a brilliant and shining franchise with his...talent.

How dare anyone diminish the fabulous future and potential of some team out in the Great Divide? Much better to piss on your own water bowl and diminish anything positive Melo dares to barely accomplish here.

One thing that always gets lost in all the Melo's Nuggs team never did anything in the playoffs is the fact that George Karl was the coach of these teams that never did anything in the playoffs.

Uptown wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Uptown wrote:

MS wrote:
It’s embarrassing that anyone on this board would defend Carmelo.
It speaks to the mediocrity of some people that they allow themselves to be fooled by what they have seen. Here are the facts, Melo had strong talent around him in Denver perhaps he wasn’t as important to the team’s success considering the team played better after they traded him. They lost Chandler, Smith, K-Mart in the offseason and were still better than the Knicks this season.

Melo is overweight, he has shot a low percentage since coming here, his record is barely .500, he quit on his teammates got the coach fired and refused to play anything, but isolation basketball. The same way he forced a trade last season because he was too stupid to take the same deal all his buddies had.
Much like last year Melo has been very mediocre in the playoffs with the exception of one game. Which makes everyone forget how he played in the series.

We are a 7th seed that will win one game in the playoffs. The Knicks have the highest prices in the entire league are in the biggest market in the country and we are arguing about the talents of a player we traded multiple draft picks and players for only to be capped out and praying two young guards turn into fringe all-star talent so we can lock up a 4 seed.

It’s embarrassing that anyone on this board would defend Carmelo.

Your right, its embarrassing when a Knick fan roots for a Knick player. Shame on us.

Here are the facts, Melo had strong talent around him in Denver perhaps he wasn’t as important to the team’s success considering the team played better after they traded him

How did the Nuggs play better when he left? I must have been watching the wrong WCF last year?
The Nuggs were always a deeper team than un even before the trade, however, since Woodson took over, we were the better team than the Nuggs.

Melo is overweight, he has shot a low percentage since coming here, his record is barely .500, he quit on his teammates got the coach fired and refused to play anything, but isolation basketball. The same way he forced a trade last season because he was too stupid to take the same deal all his buddies had.

I thought MDA quit? At least thats what Grundwals and Houston seemed to say. He didn't refuse to play anything else, it just didn't make any sense to have one of the premier mid-range players camp outside the 3 point line as if he was Shawn Williams. It wasn't a good fit and MDA was too stubbonr to change his philosophy. The same stubborness that cost hi his job in Pho. Melo, Too stupid? He got his money and he's playing in NY.

Much like last year Melo has been very mediocre in the playoffs with the exception of one game. Which makes everyone forget how he played in the series.

Kind of hard to play well in the playoffs when you have to carry the offensive load all by yourself while playing alongside D league allstars while Billups and Stat watch in their suits. Celtics game plan was to send everyone at Melo and dare the rest to shoot. and it worked. Remember game 2, Fields had the ball in the air with to a chance to win but clanked it....

We are a 7th seed that will win one game in the playoffs. The Knicks have the highest prices in the entire league are in the biggest market in the country and we are arguing about the talents of a player we traded multiple draft picks and players for only to be capped out and praying two young guards turn into fringe all-star talent so we can lock up a 4 seed.

Other then the Spurs, we were playing as well as anyone in the league (under Woodson) before the Lin and Stat injuries. There not doubt in my mind that if we come back healthy, we will be 1 of the top 3 teams in the east.

Please stop confusing the issue with facts. Only hate will do. Absolutely mindless hate and love for a WC team that up until the HORRID TRADE no one gave two rat sheets about. Except maybe about Birdman's weird tats.

Now suddenly Denver is a beautiful place, with hiking and mountains and idyllic scenery and they have a great team ready to rebuild and go on to all the greatness that has been their birthright since they were the Denver Rockets. In that basketball hotbed that has always been Colorado. I mean really, what would the NBA be without the Nuggets??? Every self-proclaimed basketball enthusiast should live there, or at least aspire to.

Melo had such great talent in Denver, it's insane that they haven't racked up chip after chip since 2004. Look at all the HOF players he played with! Such a loser that Melo is, dragging down a brilliant and shining franchise with his...talent.

How dare anyone diminish the fabulous future and potential of some team out in the Great Divide? Much better to piss on your own water bowl and diminish anything positive Melo dares to barely accomplish here.

One thing that always gets lost in all the Melo's Nuggs team never did anything in the playoffs is the fact that George Karl was the coach of these teams that never did anything in the playoffs.

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:
The Man Crush on Melo is awesome.

All star or Superstar?

And the Hate is even more spectacular.

MeloBury or StarMelo?

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Uptown wrote:

MS wrote:
It’s embarrassing that anyone on this board would defend Carmelo.
It speaks to the mediocrity of some people that they allow themselves to be fooled by what they have seen. Here are the facts, Melo had strong talent around him in Denver perhaps he wasn’t as important to the team’s success considering the team played better after they traded him. They lost Chandler, Smith, K-Mart in the offseason and were still better than the Knicks this season.

Melo is overweight, he has shot a low percentage since coming here, his record is barely .500, he quit on his teammates got the coach fired and refused to play anything, but isolation basketball. The same way he forced a trade last season because he was too stupid to take the same deal all his buddies had.
Much like last year Melo has been very mediocre in the playoffs with the exception of one game. Which makes everyone forget how he played in the series.

We are a 7th seed that will win one game in the playoffs. The Knicks have the highest prices in the entire league are in the biggest market in the country and we are arguing about the talents of a player we traded multiple draft picks and players for only to be capped out and praying two young guards turn into fringe all-star talent so we can lock up a 4 seed.

It’s embarrassing that anyone on this board would defend Carmelo.

Your right, its embarrassing when a Knick fan roots for a Knick player. Shame on us.

Here are the facts, Melo had strong talent around him in Denver perhaps he wasn’t as important to the team’s success considering the team played better after they traded him

How did the Nuggs play better when he left? I must have been watching the wrong WCF last year?
The Nuggs were always a deeper team than un even before the trade, however, since Woodson took over, we were the better team than the Nuggs.

Melo is overweight, he has shot a low percentage since coming here, his record is barely .500, he quit on his teammates got the coach fired and refused to play anything, but isolation basketball. The same way he forced a trade last season because he was too stupid to take the same deal all his buddies had.

I thought MDA quit? At least thats what Grundwals and Houston seemed to say. He didn't refuse to play anything else, it just didn't make any sense to have one of the premier mid-range players camp outside the 3 point line as if he was Shawn Williams. It wasn't a good fit and MDA was too stubbonr to change his philosophy. The same stubborness that cost hi his job in Pho. Melo, Too stupid? He got his money and he's playing in NY.

Much like last year Melo has been very mediocre in the playoffs with the exception of one game. Which makes everyone forget how he played in the series.

Kind of hard to play well in the playoffs when you have to carry the offensive load all by yourself while playing alongside D league allstars while Billups and Stat watch in their suits. Celtics game plan was to send everyone at Melo and dare the rest to shoot. and it worked. Remember game 2, Fields had the ball in the air with to a chance to win but clanked it....

We are a 7th seed that will win one game in the playoffs. The Knicks have the highest prices in the entire league are in the biggest market in the country and we are arguing about the talents of a player we traded multiple draft picks and players for only to be capped out and praying two young guards turn into fringe all-star talent so we can lock up a 4 seed.

Other then the Spurs, we were playing as well as anyone in the league (under Woodson) before the Lin and Stat injuries. There not doubt in my mind that if we come back healthy, we will be 1 of the top 3 teams in the east.

Please stop confusing the issue with facts. Only hate will do. Absolutely mindless hate and love for a WC team that up until the HORRID TRADE no one gave two rat sheets about. Except maybe about Birdman's weird tats.

Now suddenly Denver is a beautiful place, with hiking and mountains and idyllic scenery and they have a great team ready to rebuild and go on to all the greatness that has been their birthright since they were the Denver Rockets. In that basketball hotbed that has always been Colorado. I mean really, what would the NBA be without the Nuggets??? Every self-proclaimed basketball enthusiast should live there, or at least aspire to.

Melo had such great talent in Denver, it's insane that they haven't racked up chip after chip since 2004. Look at all the HOF players he played with! Such a loser that Melo is, dragging down a brilliant and shining franchise with his...talent.

How dare anyone diminish the fabulous future and potential of some team out in the Great Divide? Much better to piss on your own water bowl and diminish anything positive Melo dares to barely accomplish here.

One thing that always gets lost in all the Melo's Nuggs team never did anything in the playoffs is the fact that George Karl was the coach of these teams that never did anything in the playoffs.

I predict that if the team struggles next year, it will be blamed on Woodson!

Next year? How about now? Vultures revenging MDA were prepared and packin heat.