Love is freaking killing it. But if you must, then insert in his place Parker or Manu who are gaudy in bling.

Love has been a statistical freak the last two years. Nobody holds him up a a "Superstar" but i'd put him on my team before melo any day without a thought.

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

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ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:perspective... Melo's team is 2 games over .500 and the dude has like a .250 winning % in the playoffs. Win me some games in may and I will cosign this post

Perspective, Knicks are missing 2 starters, one a 20 pt, 9 rebound guy, and the other the primary point guard.

Funny how MDA got a pass here from some for his horrible record based on circumstance/excuse after excuse but will now say things like "we are not beating the best teams consistently" and "Melo is 2 games over .500 for us" "wins are what counts" ... ... ...

Just sayin ... a bit disingenuous being that their sole argument was always circumstance. And, the fact that every article and every sports show/sports cast says that Melo can't do it alone ... eh whatever. Thus is the political spectrum.

why are you responding to me as if MDA had anything to do with my post? He didnt. I thought the thread was about Melo being a top 10 player, which he has NOT shown. Go post that MDA is a top 10 coach and we can talk about it on that thread.

First, I was not responding to you, I was responding to ChuckB. Second, I did not create this thread. Third, how posters excused MDA and showing the double standard and partisanship is completely relevant and a basis in any post that a poster calls for accountability or requires that WINNING be a prerequisite for judgement.

I respect your opinion. However, I believe that it is disingenuous and I am stating why.

its not. It really isnt. Sure, I defended MDA as I did EVERY coach before him. I defended Chaney, Wilkins, Larry, MDA... always saying the same thing: ITS THE PLAYERS.

However I never called MDA anything better than a "good coach" who did an excellent job for an extended period of time in Pho.

This thread is about Melo being a top 10 player.

So for me, its simple... Melo doesnt win enough to be in that category. Not even close.

Ewing WON. A title? No... but dude's teams went to round 2 for 10 straight years. That says that year after year a playoff team that advanced every year was built around him. Thats a top 10 player to me (Ewing nostalgia aside).

Seriously.. what has Melo accomplished that Trace McGrady, Vince Carter, Gilbert Arenas, Baron Davis, etc etc.. accomplished? All excellent players and all stars but clearly a tier below Duncans, Kobe's etc, The guys who do it after the 82 games are over.

Trust me.

Nobody. NOBODY here wants to call Melo a top ten player more than me, because when I do it will be after he's knocked off a couple of the other top ten players in a few weeks from now.

That being said Im really not interested in celebrating Melo's big nights in losing games. Thats just me. I actually like Melo. I just see him for what he is, not what I hope he can become.

Fishmike - while I don't completely disagree with you, you can't just generalize and need to do apples to apples comparisons.

Kobe and Duncan ARE the level above but at the same time, look at their teams!! Nice to have Shaq (won of the most dominant players that I have ever seen) as a SECOND option and Pau, Bynum ........... And Duncan having Parker, Manu and David Robinson. Or, the big 3 in Miami or the big 4 in Boston. MJ, Pippen, Rodman ..........

Dan Marino never won an SB. Many have defended him fairly that he never had the teams that Montana had. It's still a ding that he will need to live with but was Marino not incredible?

Ewing had a monster team around him that was the toughest team I have ever seen. Smart PG's like Doc Rivers, D Harper and Mark Jackson. And, numerous enforcers. With all that, they had holes that inhibited their growth. A lack of a true scorer at the 2 or 3 ... And Ewing was far from the perfect team player that elevated everyones game. He was often criticized for refusing to pass to open players out of the double teams and that overall, he was a subpar passer.

Take Paul Pierce out and insert Melo and/or take Kobe out (for those years) and insert Melo. Is he Kobe? Of course not! But if he wins a championship with that team (which was as loaded as can be), is he then a top player? Maybe ... who knows.

Expectations: do you want him to score 70 points being that he is the only viable/consistent scorer on this team?

Last year in the playoffs, he was the only one to show up. And he showed up! They lost because he was the only person to show up but hey - WE LOST!! It's all on him. This is what Marino dealt with his whole career. And, it will always follow him - and does.

Nobody can argue that Melo is an all world talent. He is possibly the best pure scorer in the league. Can he win with the right team around him? Time will tell. But, you need to be fair in comparisons.

Name the Star that won without a viable PG/a (consistent) second scoring option (lets forget about a 3rd or 4th option)?

I just did. Ewing. No play makers. Chris Childs was supposed to be the great aquisition. Who was the the 2nd scorer? Starks? Charles Smith? Eventually it was Houston and Spree.

again.. "ITS ALL ON MELO"

Those are your words not mine.

Maybe Im wrong. Melo is a star and the best. He just didnt have the right mix. Or the right coach. Or the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th scoring options needed to be better. Those were excuses for Ewing not being able to win a TITLE. But through 10 years of roster shuffling and 3 coaches the dude's team advanced EVERY YEAR. End of discussion dude. Different caliber of player. Melo is a 2nd tier guy. Not a carry the team guy.

Expectations?

How about this. You tell me what I should expect. We traded the what? 4 starters and 2-3 first rounders for essentially one player? + his sidekick who had no legs left?

What should I expect? Do tell whats fair. Clearly Im being unfair

Ewing? Ha! No championships? No MVP's? Outplayed by Rik phuckin Smits? 2nd tier.

1994 - the year and only year HIS team went to the finals. Starks averaged 19 pts per. PG's? How about Harper, Rivers and Anthony. Not ZERO PG's, 3!!! Oh, and Anthony Mason, Charles Oakley and H Davis who never missed a shot. Please don't honestly compare the two teams and be expected to be taken seriously. Melo went to the wcf's with a far less team than that. FAR FAR LESS.

Keep saying 4 starters but you know good and well that we got back Billups. You even know that Chandler was not being resigned. And the Moz. Yes the Moz, I do miss him dearly and his Win Shares. Once again this shows dis-ingenuity. First rounders? They can't keep the Bo Kimbles, Walter McCarty's and Dante Jones' that we draft. Still not saying that we certainly came out ahead yet. I will make that determination in 3 years. Propaganda is what it is.

Expectations? I expect to win games that we are expected to win. Anything better is above expectations.

Ewing = 2nd round of the playoffs for a decade. Melo = first round exit. Thats a fact. Spin it anyway you want.

Propaganda?

Walter McCarty's? Dante Jones? how about Shumpert? David Lee? Wilson Chandler? Those are good players right? we traded those mid first round picks. All part of the Melo package. Who's being disingenious now?

Billups was a big part of the trade? Great... we traded young for old. How's Billups been since the trade? 35 year old PGs are pretty reliable right? Please.

bigshot.. whats your point. Make your statement.

My statement is this: Melo isnt a 10 ten player in this league till he proves it in the playoffs this year. When we start next year after another first round exit in which Melo had wonderfull stats he will still NOT be a top 10 player. If Melo has a big series and sends the Bulls (Rose) or Heat (Bron/Wade) packing I will 10000% agree he's cemented himself in that tier. He's never done it. Not once.

Go ahead... make your statement. I dont even know what your arguement is anymore. Im all ears.

My argument is that dumb expectations are dumb if it does not consider context. Basing a players rank based on where his team finishes is equally dumb and uneducated.

So, just so I understand being that I am lost in this spiraled web of partisanship, perennial second round exits cements superstardom / top 10 status but perennial first round exits misses the cutoff? And at the same time, we must completely disregard context within this narrowly defined (by you) scope?

I, never stated that Melo was a top 10 player nor did I say he isn't. They are both dumb statements since every ones narrow view of what defines a "top 10 player" varies drastically. So, it is not really quantifiable. Win Shares prove that he is far from top 10 and being that everyone abides by the holy WS% then there is no argument. Titles? No titles so can't be top 10. Number of second round exits? Don't have the required 6? 7? How about number of playoff upsets? That to me is a really good barometer - that would make Baron Davis a top 5 player. Nevermind - that can't be. Put 3 or 4 HOFers on a team, have them favored to run away with it and when they win, I guess they should all be top 3 or 4 rated players.

What I do believe is that Melo is the best player we have and killin it so I am happy with him (now). The Knicks are performing way above EXPECTATIONS so I am happy with them (now). As opposed to pre-Woodson where the Knicks, MDA, Melo and Stat were are failing miserably so I was unhappy with all of them. ALL OF THEM!!! MDA is gone, I am happy with Woody. I am (still) unhappy with Amare because he is not performing up to par (or at all) and I am (now) happy with Melo cause he's killing it.

The players can only make do with what they have. The same goes for coaches. So, with what they have, are they performing above expectations? Or, below? That is how I judge coaches and players.

You wanna blame management or the F/O go right ahead. Wanna blame "THE PLAYERS" when they perform below expectations go right ahead. Wanna blame the coach when he performs below expectations? Go right ahead. But try to be fair and balanced and not disingenuous.

Don't really give a phuck where Melo is ranked by fans and pundits.

KG was considered a top 3 player during the prime of his years with Minny. what do they have to show for it?

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:let me say one last thing. I 100% believe we can win a title with Melo as the centerpiece. Im sorry, but if that isnt an endorsement I dont know what is.

It doesnt mean we WILL.

But the guy can score, and he can impose his will on the game. Now what makes a top 10 player great is this is a nightly goal. Not just come crunchtime, playoffs or when really needed. There is something to be gained by going full steam every night. You cant excuse a player for losing because the first round matchups are too tough, and also excuse an inconsistant effort during the regular season. Thats just how I see it.

Im excited about this team and the possibilities, but its all show and tell.

We all believed the same for Mike D'antoni when he first joined. Many of us, including myself gave him the chance because he was known as the ultimate players coach and had a way of communicating to his players because of his success in Phoenix. We all endorsed him.

But when things didn't go according to plan, the excuses started coming out. Mike D'antoni was excused here for several seasons, sometimes because the competition was too tough for him as well. He was also excused for his inconsistent effort in getting the team to play as a unit.

I don't get this at all. Everything you say about Carmelo can be said for D'antoni as well.
But the difference is that right now, the Melo stock is up, and the D'antoni stock has crashed.

your right. 100%. The difference here is I didnt use and MDA excuses to pretend hes the best coach or even an elite coach in the NBA. I said he was good. Like Melo good. Can do some impressive things, but needs the right mix to accomplish that. This thread is saying if this is Melo he's a top 10 player. Great. And during Linsanity MDA was the best coach in the NBA. Whoop de do.

I would say MDA and Melo have accomplished about the same as far as being an NBA coach and NBA player.

Whos a better player? Better career? Iverson or Melo?

Carmelo Anthony is a scorer. It's what he does. He's scored on Denver and he's scored on New York.

Mike D'antoni is an offensive minded coach. It's what he's supposed to get out of his team. He got that out of his teams in Phoenix, but failed miserably to do so in New York.

Since they both never won big, that discussion gets thrown out the window.

However, Melo is still an elite scorer till this day. But what Mike D'antoni has been known for is a huge question mark now.

mrKnickShot wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:I Said Melo is in the 2nd group, not above or below it.

Love is freaking killing it. But if you must, then insert in his place Parker or Manu who are gaudy in bling.

Love has been a statistical freak the last two years. Nobody holds him up a a "Superstar" but i'd put him on my team before melo any day without a thought.

So sometimes you favor stats and sometimes it's all about wins...strange. I could care less about Melo's stats, as long as it gets the Knicks into the playoffs with a chance to do something special.

Love's been a stat monster, since he's been in the league, but look at his overall record as a "star".

24-58, Rookie Year so we'll give him a "pass"
15-67
17-65
25-36(so far)

So you'll "take" Love over Melo any day, but the guy hasn't "made" his team better or even sniffed the playoffs...

Robert Horry is in my top 5 of all time.

Big Shot Bob is the best!

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Carmelo Anthony is a scorer. It's what he does. He's scored on Denver and he's scored on New York.

Mike D'antoni is an offensive minded coach. It's what he's supposed to get out of his team. He got that out of his teams in Phoenix, but failed miserably to do so in New York.

Since they both never won big, that discussion gets thrown out the window.

However, Melo is still an elite scorer till this day. But what Mike D'antoni has been known for is a huge question mark now.

I am still trying to figure out why MDA and his coaching or time in NY has any relevance to what Melo as a player has accomplished or has anything to do with how Melo ranks amongst his peers.

Time to let it go? Especially in a topic that is not at all related?

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mrKnickShot wrote:If he is a top 10 then I don't want to be a knick fan

Boy do I miss Lin!! We can't win without him. I am still pissed that we did not pick up a PG. That will bite us in the ass in a big way.

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So does the heat miss him so they could beat him down like they did before. I call Lin the perfect storm.He came into a system that was perfect for him and he excelled because no one was watching. Now everyone is watching. Let him prove that he is one of the top PG in this league. by the way you can't compare him to Melo.

Wow, you're still on that 'Perfect storm' crap even after Lin has proven himself game after game after game up until his injury. No time for 'X is better than Y' argument. We need LIN and AMARE and everyone if we want a fat chance in hell to advance beyond the 1st round. Melo can score 50 pts all he wants but if nobody is is stepping up to help, it'll be a flat-out wasted effort.

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fishmike wrote:

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fishmike wrote:

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ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:perspective... Melo's team is 2 games over .500 and the dude has like a .250 winning % in the playoffs. Win me some games in may and I will cosign this post

Perspective, Knicks are missing 2 starters, one a 20 pt, 9 rebound guy, and the other the primary point guard.

Funny how MDA got a pass here from some for his horrible record based on circumstance/excuse after excuse but will now say things like "we are not beating the best teams consistently" and "Melo is 2 games over .500 for us" "wins are what counts" ... ... ...

Just sayin ... a bit disingenuous being that their sole argument was always circumstance. And, the fact that every article and every sports show/sports cast says that Melo can't do it alone ... eh whatever. Thus is the political spectrum.

why are you responding to me as if MDA had anything to do with my post? He didnt. I thought the thread was about Melo being a top 10 player, which he has NOT shown. Go post that MDA is a top 10 coach and we can talk about it on that thread.

First, I was not responding to you, I was responding to ChuckB. Second, I did not create this thread. Third, how posters excused MDA and showing the double standard and partisanship is completely relevant and a basis in any post that a poster calls for accountability or requires that WINNING be a prerequisite for judgement.

I respect your opinion. However, I believe that it is disingenuous and I am stating why.

its not. It really isnt. Sure, I defended MDA as I did EVERY coach before him. I defended Chaney, Wilkins, Larry, MDA... always saying the same thing: ITS THE PLAYERS.

However I never called MDA anything better than a "good coach" who did an excellent job for an extended period of time in Pho.

This thread is about Melo being a top 10 player.

So for me, its simple... Melo doesnt win enough to be in that category. Not even close.

Ewing WON. A title? No... but dude's teams went to round 2 for 10 straight years. That says that year after year a playoff team that advanced every year was built around him. Thats a top 10 player to me (Ewing nostalgia aside).

Seriously.. what has Melo accomplished that Trace McGrady, Vince Carter, Gilbert Arenas, Baron Davis, etc etc.. accomplished? All excellent players and all stars but clearly a tier below Duncans, Kobe's etc, The guys who do it after the 82 games are over.

Trust me.

Nobody. NOBODY here wants to call Melo a top ten player more than me, because when I do it will be after he's knocked off a couple of the other top ten players in a few weeks from now.

That being said Im really not interested in celebrating Melo's big nights in losing games. Thats just me. I actually like Melo. I just see him for what he is, not what I hope he can become.

Fishmike - while I don't completely disagree with you, you can't just generalize and need to do apples to apples comparisons.

Kobe and Duncan ARE the level above but at the same time, look at their teams!! Nice to have Shaq (won of the most dominant players that I have ever seen) as a SECOND option and Pau, Bynum ........... And Duncan having Parker, Manu and David Robinson. Or, the big 3 in Miami or the big 4 in Boston. MJ, Pippen, Rodman ..........

Dan Marino never won an SB. Many have defended him fairly that he never had the teams that Montana had. It's still a ding that he will need to live with but was Marino not incredible?

Ewing had a monster team around him that was the toughest team I have ever seen. Smart PG's like Doc Rivers, D Harper and Mark Jackson. And, numerous enforcers. With all that, they had holes that inhibited their growth. A lack of a true scorer at the 2 or 3 ... And Ewing was far from the perfect team player that elevated everyones game. He was often criticized for refusing to pass to open players out of the double teams and that overall, he was a subpar passer.

Take Paul Pierce out and insert Melo and/or take Kobe out (for those years) and insert Melo. Is he Kobe? Of course not! But if he wins a championship with that team (which was as loaded as can be), is he then a top player? Maybe ... who knows.

Expectations: do you want him to score 70 points being that he is the only viable/consistent scorer on this team?

Last year in the playoffs, he was the only one to show up. And he showed up! They lost because he was the only person to show up but hey - WE LOST!! It's all on him. This is what Marino dealt with his whole career. And, it will always follow him - and does.

Nobody can argue that Melo is an all world talent. He is possibly the best pure scorer in the league. Can he win with the right team around him? Time will tell. But, you need to be fair in comparisons.

Name the Star that won without a viable PG/a (consistent) second scoring option (lets forget about a 3rd or 4th option)?

I just did. Ewing. No play makers. Chris Childs was supposed to be the great aquisition. Who was the the 2nd scorer? Starks? Charles Smith? Eventually it was Houston and Spree.

again.. "ITS ALL ON MELO"

Those are your words not mine.

Maybe Im wrong. Melo is a star and the best. He just didnt have the right mix. Or the right coach. Or the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th scoring options needed to be better. Those were excuses for Ewing not being able to win a TITLE. But through 10 years of roster shuffling and 3 coaches the dude's team advanced EVERY YEAR. End of discussion dude. Different caliber of player. Melo is a 2nd tier guy. Not a carry the team guy.

Expectations?

How about this. You tell me what I should expect. We traded the what? 4 starters and 2-3 first rounders for essentially one player? + his sidekick who had no legs left?

What should I expect? Do tell whats fair. Clearly Im being unfair

Ewing? Ha! No championships? No MVP's? Outplayed by Rik phuckin Smits? 2nd tier.

1994 - the year and only year HIS team went to the finals. Starks averaged 19 pts per. PG's? How about Harper, Rivers and Anthony. Not ZERO PG's, 3!!! Oh, and Anthony Mason, Charles Oakley and H Davis who never missed a shot. Please don't honestly compare the two teams and be expected to be taken seriously. Melo went to the wcf's with a far less team than that. FAR FAR LESS.

Keep saying 4 starters but you know good and well that we got back Billups. You even know that Chandler was not being resigned. And the Moz. Yes the Moz, I do miss him dearly and his Win Shares. Once again this shows dis-ingenuity. First rounders? They can't keep the Bo Kimbles, Walter McCarty's and Dante Jones' that we draft. Still not saying that we certainly came out ahead yet. I will make that determination in 3 years. Propaganda is what it is.

Expectations? I expect to win games that we are expected to win. Anything better is above expectations.

Ewing = 2nd round of the playoffs for a decade. Melo = first round exit. Thats a fact. Spin it anyway you want.

Propaganda?

Walter McCarty's? Dante Jones? how about Shumpert? David Lee? Wilson Chandler? Those are good players right? we traded those mid first round picks. All part of the Melo package. Who's being disingenious now?

Billups was a big part of the trade? Great... we traded young for old. How's Billups been since the trade? 35 year old PGs are pretty reliable right? Please.

bigshot.. whats your point. Make your statement.

My statement is this: Melo isnt a 10 ten player in this league till he proves it in the playoffs this year. When we start next year after another first round exit in which Melo had wonderfull stats he will still NOT be a top 10 player. If Melo has a big series and sends the Bulls (Rose) or Heat (Bron/Wade) packing I will 10000% agree he's cemented himself in that tier. He's never done it. Not once.

Go ahead... make your statement. I dont even know what your arguement is anymore. Im all ears.

My argument is that dumb expectations are dumb if it does not consider context. Basing a players rank based on where his team finishes is equally dumb and uneducated.

So, just so I understand being that I am lost in this spiraled web of partisanship, perennial second round exits cements superstardom / top 10 status but perennial first round exits misses the cutoff? And at the same time, we must completely disregard context within this narrowly defined (by you) scope?
I, never stated that Melo was a top 10 player nor did I say he isn't. They are both dumb statements since every ones narrow view of what defines a "top 10 player" varies drastically. So, it is not really quantifiable. Win Shares prove that he is far from top 10 and being that everyone abides by the holy WS% then there is no argument. Titles? No titles so can't be top 10. Number of second round exits? Don't have the required 6? 7? How about number of playoff upsets? That to me is a really good barometer - that would make Baron Davis a top 5 player. Nevermind - that can't be. Put 3 or 4 HOFers on a team, have them favored to run away with it and when they win, I guess they should all be top 3 or 4 rated players.

What I do believe is that Melo is the best player we have and killin it so I am happy with him (now). The Knicks are performing way above EXPECTATIONS so I am happy with them (now). As opposed to pre-Woodson where the Knicks, MDA, Melo and Stat were are failing miserably so I was unhappy with all of them. ALL OF THEM!!! MDA is gone, I am happy with Woody. I am (still) unhappy with Amare because he is not performing up to par (or at all) and I am (now) happy with Melo cause he's killing it.

The players can only make do with what they have. The same goes for coaches. So, with what they have, are they performing above expectations? Or, below? That is how I judge coaches and players.

You wanna blame management or the F/O go right ahead. Wanna blame "THE PLAYERS" when they perform below expectations go right ahead. Wanna blame the coach when he performs below expectations? Go right ahead. But try to be fair and balanced and not disingenuous.

Don't really give a phuck where Melo is ranked by fans and pundits.

+ 100....totally agree, particularly with the blanket statements that some toss around concerning Melo's first round losses, without considering or purposely omitting the circumstances.....

Anji wrote:Man this place is always like this after we lose. It sucks being around here after a lost when all some guys cares about is harping about the past.

Yeah. The only time it's worse is after a win.

Anji wrote:Man this place is always like this after we lose. It sucks being around here after a lost when all some guys cares about is harping about the past. Harping being the endless talking and back tracking. For Melo, It's either "he is doing what he is suppose to do" or "he isn't performing up to par, we traded half the team for him", everything is a negative.

It's suppose to be about winning. But when we do win or look forward to what can be done going forward with the level of play we have, it's all that can be done to "put the brakes on" or "clam down" the knicks fans.

Mike has sand in his vag just like after the Pacers lost, and the Hawks lost and like the Melo trade,and on and on and on. Yeah we get it, you're not happy or impressed and you get sand in your Vag often, fine. So that means you got to rain on anybody and every bodies parade??? You will never be impressed unless the knicks win a title, but you loved Ewing(rightfully so). But it is laughable that you can draw the line so often about what puts a boner in your pants.

FM: Melo ain't won nothing he's a low level player.
KF: well Ewing never won either
FM: Well Ewing was a mans, man and he got to the second round at lease every year.
KF: Well Melo has been leading his teams to 50 wins and the playoffs every year, why are you trying to down grade everything Melo has done by comparing him to players that haven't accomplished anything close.

It's a ****ty circle of reasoning IMO, "every player is nothing until I deem it something". What a front running way to view the world.

And Nalod you always worried about "hype", when it's good for the knicks. If it's "hype" for another team well your all over it right. Crazy talking about other teams future but you can't just bare to let a thread go by if there is too much "hype" about the knicks. Well correction, the knicks with Melo, the "hype" would be fine if we were pumping up Gallo while he sat out for 2-6 weeks though. That "Hype" would have been refreshing!!! And Nets hype, even though they pretty much spit the bit!!!

Funny thing is we win and none of this ever happened. We win big and it's all under the bridge right??? It's a lose lose to have to deal with this kind of rational because at the end of the day, they will never wrong.

Either the team wins and "that's what we wanted all along"
or
they don't and it's "see that's why I never brought in".

Zero Payoff. No point to it, please just let these duds get the sand out!!!

But again... Maybe if you change what i said it makes your posts actually make sense? Show me where I say Melo is a low level player. You cant. So quit making **** up, it's a douchebag move and surely your not a dbag right?

Theres a considerable space between the highest tier and the next group. Melo isnt a top 10 player and I have stated my reasons clearly. Sorry if the logic is making you choke on that koolaid.

You want to hear double standards? All the pro trade people love to talk about how you need STARS to win big. Only problem is Melos teams always bow out in the playoffs to the tams with... Stars.

Your the one with the vagina because you can't talk about Melo without being emotional. You and your crew are like a phucking hen house every time someone calls your overdressed toddler chubby. Hey Lin and Amare have disappointed me. MDA was a disappointment. If Melo does another quick first round exit that will be a disappointment as well. If it's going have you up too late eating chocolates and feeling sorry about life I bet Marv can hook you up with a good therapist.

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:perspective... Melo's team is 2 games over .500 and the dude has like a .250 winning % in the playoffs. Win me some games in may and I will cosign this post

Perspective, Knicks are missing 2 starters, one a 20 pt, 9 rebound guy, and the other the primary point guard.

Funny how MDA got a pass here from some for his horrible record based on circumstance/excuse after excuse but will now say things like "we are not beating the best teams consistently" and "Melo is 2 games over .500 for us" "wins are what counts" ... ... ...

Just sayin ... a bit disingenuous being that their sole argument was always circumstance. And, the fact that every article and every sports show/sports cast says that Melo can't do it alone ... eh whatever. Thus is the political spectrum.

why are you responding to me as if MDA had anything to do with my post? He didnt. I thought the thread was about Melo being a top 10 player, which he has NOT shown. Go post that MDA is a top 10 coach and we can talk about it on that thread.

31.7 ppg, 8 rpg, 3 apg isn't top 10 numbers..?