HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:

eViL wrote:

HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:

eViL wrote:

HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Some of you guys are too much. Melo played his ass off last night and he's still getting crap for ISO ball. NEWSFLASH - We gave up too many points in the paint and way too many second chance points. Our defense was horrible in the 1st and the 4th.

Terrible lose and I'm pissed but to say the Knicks lost the game becuase of ISO ball confirms your status as a Melo hater.

Don't even let the Melo haters phase you; the REAL fans don't waste breath and text constantly focused on everything negative while ignoring the positives. Only haters do that, and hey, haters and their words don't matter!

so were you a real fan when you were hating on d'antoni? lol.

LOL... I knew someone would take the bait.

I acknowledged both MDA's positives and negatives, which is only fair. However, those who have this seething hate towards Melo always whing, bytch and moan when something goes wrong, and when he does do something right, those same blowhards have nothing to say.

Plus, I was pulling to do well when he came here, and gave him a chance until it appeared (this year) that things were NOT getting better.

So no, I was nbot "hating" on MDA, and yeah, I am ALWAYS a Real Fan, always maintaining optimism for my team to do bettter, player better and be better.

as far as i'm concerned, i'm a Knicks fan. not a Melo fan. you can be one and not be the other. and in fact, sometimes i feel like Melo's staunchest defenders could not give a damn whether the team won. they just wanna see their favorite sneaker salesman get his. there were guys who felt so threatened during Linsanity that they were actually dissing Lin because they thought he was stealing Melo's shine. it's sad.

Those are petty people, and those aren't what most would consider real fans. There is no need for that drama. Such "fans" are more like soap-opera followers- they're drama addicts.

One can be a Knicks fan but not a Melo fan, but one thing all the non-Melo fans need to get straight is that the dude is on our team, so rooting for him to fail is just as contradictory as those who are more Melo fans than Knicks fans and who don't care is the Knicks win or not.

people talk about loving this team. well, let me tell you guys a dark secret: the team doesn't love you. if you're broke, they ain't gonna let you into MSG for free, they ain't gonna give you free cable, they ain't gonna blindly support you. so why do you think it's some type of badge of honor to blindly support them?

What you may call "blind support" is just others simply being optimistic. We already know all of that about MSG not paying us, because that's all obvious. Just because people whine and cry, and then seem elated when the team fails isn't being a fan at all- that IS being a hater, down to the definition. I love this team despite what abyone moans about, and I do that knowing that the team "doesn't pay me". They don't have to pay me- for fans, it's fun to root fopr the team we like. If folks can't get with that program, then why should they kid themselves and call themselves a fan? lol

we all wanna see the team win. the suggestion that someone who disagrees with the team's management hates the team is childish.

...and it's just as childish to assume that optimistic fans are all "blind supporters", too.

everybody wants to see the team get better. some people here disagree with the team's direction. there's nothing wrong with that.

...and I never said that there was. I have been down that road before, as many of us have at one time or another. IMO it makes more sense to be more optimistic and less cynical when the team is doing better, rather than only look for things to nitpick about while not noting the positives. Those types are the ones just looking to argue over trivial crap. There have been a few of those types who have come and gone over the years, as they are quick to play themselves out.

we made a move to add a "superstar" player and yet, here we are, over a year later and we still have to scrap just to make the playoffs. meanwhile, teams like the Sixers and the Pacers, with no "superstars" are comfortably ahead of us. is it really so shocking that not everyone is getting in line to suck Melo's dick?

LOL... man, there sure is a BIG anti-Melo chip on your shoulder, Evil. It's not that deep- it really isn't. Lighten up!

The Knicks current struggles is by no means Melo's fault. That's just as idiotic as saying that the team's injuries are his fault. Come on, dude, Melo IS a star, and it's a good thing that we have him. If you and some others can't realize that and just hate him just to hate him, then that's on you. Being a fan of the team by no means implies that folks on on anyone's dick, bruh. In case you haven't heard, fans can root for the team AND Melo, who is a part of the team without jock-riding.

All that said, let's just all be glad that the NYK is doing better than we have in many years, and fall back from the toxic swiggin' of the haterade. That stuff isn't good for anyone, especially Knicks fans.

You can't be serious? Evil didn't say anything unreasonable and Melo hasn't done anything worth defending.

Actually, I am being straight up on that. I was serious about what I said, but this topic isn't serious at all.

LOL @ "Melo hasn't done anything worth defending.". Yeah, he's a player on the team, so that makes him the boogeyman, huh? Dude, YOU can't be serious.

Why are folks getting so bent up over something so trivial. I guess that rooting for the team and the players on it is THAT hard to so for some. It's all good, though.

People here are finding it hard to root for the team? You have an odd way of misinterpreting things

Again, of course I wasn't referring to anyone specific, but to those whom the shoe fits. they can lace 'em up and run the Forrest Gump cross-country marathon in them.

Nothing was misinterpreted this way, Bonn. I'm just calling it as I see it.

eViL wrote:HCKF, what makes you think i'm rooting for Melo to fail? just because i don't think we got a shot at a title in the next 4 years means that i'm rooting for him to lose? it's not that serious. we're just posting our opinions. i don't have any true personal ill will for the man. he's just living his life.

and i'm not saying you on Melo's dick. i'm just saying that duke has not lived up to the superstar billing and there are a slew of cats on this board that defend him harder than nixluva defended d'antoni. i won't be upset if he proves me wrong. i'm just stating what i see.

if i had to put money down, RIGHT NOW, on whether the Knicks would win a chip in the next 4 years, i'd put my money on them not getting it done. i wish i could say otherwise. we're looking at Chicago and Miami pretty much set for the next 4 years at least. and we have just as few avenues for improvement as they do.

be honest: if you had to put your life's earnings (past and future) on whether the Knicks would win a title in the next 4 years, what would you bet on?

dudes like Steve Nash and Jason Terry are already talking about joining the Heat. lol. we got hype because broken ass BDiddy was attracted by our stars. our star power attracts BDiddy. their star power attracts 2-Time MVP's* and Sixth Man of the Year winners.

i started to get a bad feeling when Donnie Walsh quit. but then i was excited when they got Chandler. and then i was super excited when Linsanity happened. and i was one of the fools who thought Melo would come in and we'd take off, but it didn't happen. so yeah, i could be wrong. and i usually am -- when i'm optimistic.

i love that they been playing harder and winning. but this team has me conditioned to expect failure. i don't think Walsh would have walked away if he thought there was title potential in the next 4 years. i mean, i hope we can see a title in our lifetime. i don't know about you but my best Knicks memories are from the 90's and that's it. everything else has sucked. including this season. that's 10+ years doggy. we need miracles right now and sometimes, when we get them, we waste them. lol.

this is not even on Melo. really comes down to Dolan for me. but Melo just represents Dolan's fat dirty meddling stubby little fingers. it's unfair, Melo didn't hold a gun to anyone's head. Dolan just couldn't resist. forced the trade through 3 days before the trade deadline. lol.

whatever man. you a fan in your way. i'm a fan in my way. we'd both be in full on hype mode if the Knicks were to win a title. i'm not saying it's impossible but we got a tough road and toad for an owner. he makes this whole franchise mad suspect.

I was also expecting the Knicks team to take off this year with Melo leading the way, especially after his very good performance last year in the playoffs (under MDA). This year when I saw him struggling offensively I could live with that; however I just couldn’t believe his lack of leadership and effort on the court (very disheartening). Today we are clinching to the last playoff spot in the east wondering whether we will make the postseason or not. UNREAL.

When it comes to Doh!-lan, I thing that the majority here on the board are on the EXACT same page. He caused NYK fans e3xcruciating pain over the years, but if one of his moves works out well for us, I'll give him credit where it's due.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Some of you guys are too much. Melo played his ass off last night and he's still getting crap for ISO ball. NEWSFLASH - We gave up too many points in the paint and way too many second chance points. Our defense was horrible in the 1st and the 4th.

Terrible lose and I'm pissed but to say the Knicks lost the game becuase of ISO ball confirms your status as a Melo hater.

Did anyone here specifically criticize his ISO playing? I criticized taking contested, low percentage shots but not specifically ISO playing. And if I were to make those comments only after bad games, you would claim I was "hiding" after the good games. I pay attention to the quality of the shot, not whether it goes in on any one night. (All of that said, I didn't see the first 3 quarters and am commenting only on the 4th quarter.)

Figures you would HAPPEN to miss the first 3 quarters HOW CONVENIENT!!

17 for 31 and you are still bitching. Cause that's what you like to do.

Why would it make sense to adjust one's opinion of the player after every game? Why would it make sense to change one's mind about whether a low percentage shot is a good one just because it went in in one game?

And if I don't comment for 3 quarters you claim I'm in hiding. If I do say anything negative after a game, you say I'm a hater. Maybe you're the one who is bitching.

I am a bitcher but at least I admit it when I do.

I suggest you go back and watch the game then. I can really see how much you would hate Kobe on this team even in his prime cause of all the horrendous shots that he takes.

So you're not going to answer my questions?

A shot that goes in is a high pct shot.

So, if we go by your definition, then 59% of Melo's shots this year and 55% in his career have been low percentage shots? And 71% of his 3 pointers are low percentage shots?

That is correct. You numbers are a touch off / biased as usual but that takes math skills.

But yes, just like kobe inefficient and fabulous at the same time - that's how I like my superstars. You can label it anything you want if you would like to continue the trolling spree.

BTW, how is STAT working out for ya??? Let me guess "blah blah we didn't give up 348 players and all of our next 85 draft picks to get him blah blah"

Stat's been awesome!! Great move for da future!!

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Some of you guys are too much. Melo played his ass off last night and he's still getting crap for ISO ball. NEWSFLASH - We gave up too many points in the paint and way too many second chance points. Our defense was horrible in the 1st and the 4th.

Terrible lose and I'm pissed but to say the Knicks lost the game becuase of ISO ball confirms your status as a Melo hater.

Did anyone here specifically criticize his ISO playing? I criticized taking contested, low percentage shots but not specifically ISO playing. And if I were to make those comments only after bad games, you would claim I was "hiding" after the good games. I pay attention to the quality of the shot, not whether it goes in on any one night. (All of that said, I didn't see the first 3 quarters and am commenting only on the 4th quarter.)

Figures you would HAPPEN to miss the first 3 quarters HOW CONVENIENT!!

17 for 31 and you are still bitching. Cause that's what you like to do.

Why would it make sense to adjust one's opinion of the player after every game? Why would it make sense to change one's mind about whether a low percentage shot is a good one just because it went in in one game?

And if I don't comment for 3 quarters you claim I'm in hiding. If I do say anything negative after a game, you say I'm a hater. Maybe you're the one who is bitching.

I am a bitcher but at least I admit it when I do.

I suggest you go back and watch the game then. I can really see how much you would hate Kobe on this team even in his prime cause of all the horrendous shots that he takes.

So you're not going to answer my questions?

A shot that goes in is a high pct shot.

So, if we go by your definition, then 59% of Melo's shots this year and 55% in his career have been low percentage shots? And 71% of his 3 pointers are low percentage shots?

That is correct. You numbers are a touch off / biased as usual but that takes math skills.

But yes, just like kobe inefficient and fabulous at the same time - that's how I like my superstars. You can label it anything you want if you would like to continue the trolling spree.

BTW, how is STAT working out for ya??? Let me guess "blah blah we didn't give up 348 players and all of our next 85 draft picks to get him blah blah"

Stat's been awesome!! Great move for da future!!

Even worse than Melo. You may have me confused with someone else but I hated the Stat signing.

Whoops - Sorry!

So why aren't you complaining about it all day like your relentless Melo bashing? Is it because Amare is a jew?

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Some of you guys are too much. Melo played his ass off last night and he's still getting crap for ISO ball. NEWSFLASH - We gave up too many points in the paint and way too many second chance points. Our defense was horrible in the 1st and the 4th.

Terrible lose and I'm pissed but to say the Knicks lost the game becuase of ISO ball confirms your status as a Melo hater.

Did anyone here specifically criticize his ISO playing? I criticized taking contested, low percentage shots but not specifically ISO playing. And if I were to make those comments only after bad games, you would claim I was "hiding" after the good games. I pay attention to the quality of the shot, not whether it goes in on any one night. (All of that said, I didn't see the first 3 quarters and am commenting only on the 4th quarter.)

Figures you would HAPPEN to miss the first 3 quarters HOW CONVENIENT!!

17 for 31 and you are still bitching. Cause that's what you like to do.

Why would it make sense to adjust one's opinion of the player after every game? Why would it make sense to change one's mind about whether a low percentage shot is a good one just because it went in in one game?

And if I don't comment for 3 quarters you claim I'm in hiding. If I do say anything negative after a game, you say I'm a hater. Maybe you're the one who is bitching.

I am a bitcher but at least I admit it when I do.

I suggest you go back and watch the game then. I can really see how much you would hate Kobe on this team even in his prime cause of all the horrendous shots that he takes.

So you're not going to answer my questions?

A shot that goes in is a high pct shot.

So, if we go by your definition, then 59% of Melo's shots this year and 55% in his career have been low percentage shots? And 71% of his 3 pointers are low percentage shots?

That is correct. You numbers are a touch off / biased as usual but that takes math skills.

But yes, just like kobe inefficient and fabulous at the same time - that's how I like my superstars. You can label it anything you want if you would like to continue the trolling spree.

BTW, how is STAT working out for ya??? Let me guess "blah blah we didn't give up 348 players and all of our next 85 draft picks to get him blah blah"

Stat's been awesome!! Great move for da future!!

Even worse than Melo. You may have me confused with someone else but I hated the Stat signing.

Whoops - Sorry!

So why aren't you complaining about it all day like your relentless Melo bashing? Is it because Amare is a jew?

because Amare's physically done or close to it. There's no point in expecting an 80 year old man to play great in the NBA. On the other hand, Melo could be great if he ever learned the difference between a good shot and a bad shot.

http://www.veggiefishing.com/Home/UserDetails_Bonn1997.html

Bonn!! Who knew you were such a stud!

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Some of you guys are too much. Melo played his ass off last night and he's still getting crap for ISO ball. NEWSFLASH - We gave up too many points in the paint and way too many second chance points. Our defense was horrible in the 1st and the 4th.

Terrible lose and I'm pissed but to say the Knicks lost the game becuase of ISO ball confirms your status as a Melo hater.

Did anyone here specifically criticize his ISO playing? I criticized taking contested, low percentage shots but not specifically ISO playing. And if I were to make those comments only after bad games, you would claim I was "hiding" after the good games. I pay attention to the quality of the shot, not whether it goes in on any one night. (All of that said, I didn't see the first 3 quarters and am commenting only on the 4th quarter.)

Figures you would HAPPEN to miss the first 3 quarters HOW CONVENIENT!!

17 for 31 and you are still bitching. Cause that's what you like to do.

Why would it make sense to adjust one's opinion of the player after every game? Why would it make sense to change one's mind about whether a low percentage shot is a good one just because it went in in one game?

And if I don't comment for 3 quarters you claim I'm in hiding. If I do say anything negative after a game, you say I'm a hater. Maybe you're the one who is bitching.

I am a bitcher but at least I admit it when I do.

I suggest you go back and watch the game then. I can really see how much you would hate Kobe on this team even in his prime cause of all the horrendous shots that he takes.

So you're not going to answer my questions?

A shot that goes in is a high pct shot.

So, if we go by your definition, then 59% of Melo's shots this year and 55% in his career have been low percentage shots? And 71% of his 3 pointers are low percentage shots?

That is correct. You numbers are a touch off / biased as usual but that takes math skills.

But yes, just like kobe inefficient and fabulous at the same time - that's how I like my superstars. You can label it anything you want if you would like to continue the trolling spree.

BTW, how is STAT working out for ya??? Let me guess "blah blah we didn't give up 348 players and all of our next 85 draft picks to get him blah blah"

Stat's been awesome!! Great move for da future!!

Even worse than Melo. You may have me confused with someone else but I hated the Stat signing.

Whoops - Sorry!

So why aren't you complaining about it all day like your relentless Melo bashing? Is it because Amare is a jew?

because Amare's physically done or close to it. There's no point in expecting an 80 year old man to play great in the NBA. On the other hand, Melo could be great if he ever learned the difference between a good shot and a bad shot.

http://www.veggiefishing.com/Home/UserDetails_Bonn1997.html

Bonn!! Who knew you were such a stud!

Is that really Bonn? What a catch and a vegan too!

If anyone caught the OKC/Miami game tonite (which was one of the best games I've seen all year) you would have noticed that the second half of the 4thQ both teams took turns iso-ing (High post ups). Wade and Lebron took turns iso-ing on one end and Durant and Westbrook took turns iso-ing on the other end with a few pick and rolls sprinkled in. These two teams will most likely meet up in the finals in case anyone is keeping score. And if the Heat are knocked off, it'll be because they cant stop Rose in late game iso's.

This post was made not so much to endorse the idea of iso (high post-ups) but its a trending play league wide.

Uptown wrote:I'm noticing alot of posters tossing around the word iso. Personally, I look at it as high-post ups. Back when big men actually ruled the NBA, the ball was pounded into the post every time down the court and teams would play inside out. The era of bing man no longer exists, but in this era, its the mid-range high post ups of the SF/SG's.

If anyone caught the OKC/Miami game tonite (which was one of the best games I've seen all year) you would have noticed that the second half of the 4thQ both teams took turns iso-ing (High post ups). Wade and Lebron took turns iso-ing on one end and Durant and Westbrook took turns iso-ing on the other end with a few pick and rolls sprinkled in. These two teams will most likely meet up in the finals in case anyone is keeping score. And if the Heat are knocked off, it'll be because they cant stop Rose in late game iso's.

This post was made not so much to endorse the idea of iso (high post-ups) but its a trending play league wide.

Stop heathen! How there you blaspheme about ISO's! It's the play of the devil! Only SSOL is successful!

mrKnickShot wrote:No - thats bonn-1997 not Bonn1997. The Bio is a dead giveaway.

I know I was reaching.