If you have any respect for this guy after he told you he hasn't brought the effort all season your a ****ing fool. Everybody in the world know I can score. That's great Melo!

And has Denver missed a beat without him? They lost to OKC in the playoffs. Had they been in the East they are a top 3 team. So until Melo leads us anywhere there is no defending him. He played a great playoff game yes, one game. Where was he in game 1???

Stats mean nothing. Playing no defense and firing shots from all over the court and alienating your teammates mean everything. Head shooting 40% and getting paid 18MM. So until he produces he's just another over paid fake ass tough guy wanna be leader.

mrKnickShot wrote:Also, Paul Pierce is surrounded by other Stars/HOfers so the comparison in general is flawed. Melo did not have the same support.

Like you, I too am optimistic, though, I hope everyone does not jump off after a couple of losses.

mrKnicksShot - Carmelo is learning the meaning of the word reinvention. It's never too late for any of us to come to grips with time. Never known as a high percentage shooter, last night Mr. Melo shot 5/15 from the floor. Carmelo and Novak (2/6) were the poorest percentage-wise from the field vs Toronto. However, Anthony made his free throws (6-8), snatched 8 rebounds and added 5 assists to go along with his three steals.

He also smiled.

In 31 productive minutes, Carmelo played in the context of a team that played no one longer than 34 minutes. Shumpert, Novak, Jeffries and JR Smith all played more than 16 minutes. Shumpert, Novak and JRSmith are sharing the load and add scoring punch which relieves the starters need to always hoist. The smile is a result of possibly knowing he does NOT need to score to be effective. For a player who has been groomed since Syracuse to carry teams with impulsive shooting, that is huge.

It also helps that Amar'e is regaining his sea legs.

That is change that benefits everyone.

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:jrod... the knocks on Melo are legit.

Knicks had a better record without him last year and this year as well. You could even say he twice ruined the chemistry. Last year the Knicks were coming along pretty well before the Melo drama. This year he single handedly ended Linsanity.

Melo is easily the most talented and valuable player in that trade. That being said is it ridiculous to say that Gallo was a better fit for this team? Despite being a less talented and productive player? I would say Gallo certainly was, at least short term.

Alot of fans really enjoyed getting behind last years Knicks. That team was loaded w/ good guys, good stories and players with upside. They were winning and had beaten some elite teams along the way. Melo came in and really didnt impress before getting swept in round 1 by the Celtics.

Also after the trade he ensured he got the most money possible killing the chance for a 3rd max guy like CP3 or what the Heat did. Now the Knicks got very lucky with the amnesty provision allowing them to sign Chandler, but that was all after Melo signed.

I recognize Melo's talent and what he could mean to the Knicks. Also whats done is done. Im patient. Im the exception with that around here.

Since anyone who doesnt immediatly recognize Melo as a superstar is labelled a HATER here let me ask you this:

Lets just say I dont know much about Melo. Seen him play a few times, highlights etc. but I follow the Knicks closely. Watch every game, go to 4-5 games a year... you get the idea.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Melo lovers and supports... PLEASE tell me ONE THING he's done since being here that would make me a fan of this guy?

Big playoff horse? swept
All about team? Contract first
Good attitude? Got first coach played for here fired
Made the team better? More wins without him
Can play with another star? Unless the last 3 games changes everything no... not yet.
Hotty wife with glorious funbags? Ok keep him

Im sorry, but if your a fan of this guy the best you have right now to sell is some warm kool-aid with no sugar added yet. This guy has a LOT to prove, and even more to prove here.

Alot of the Melo criticism of Melo (to this point) is valid. However, if Melo was tanking it and not playing well, why is Stat off the hook and all hate directed at Melo? I saw Stat putting out much less effort than Melo by a mile. He seemed completely indifferent, especially on the defensive end. At least I saw Melo trying on defense and his man to man defense was actually quite good though he lacked in team defense.

Also, the knicks did not get swept in the playoffs because of Melo who averaged 26.3 pts 10.3 rebounds and 4.8 assists. He was the only one who showed up. That is exactly why we got him because the pre trade team was not a playoff built team.

here's the problem.. you just did what all the non-Melo lovers hate. Show us his stats.

Look at the stats and Melo destroyed Paul Pierce in that series. Look at the games and who outplayed who down the stretch? Even in that super game where Melo was a monster what happened? TO in crunchtime followed by a clutch Paul Pierce shot and Melo's Knicks lose again.

Marbury had great stats here. Nobody cares. Was Melo consistent in that playoff series?

Old stuff.. I have zero interest in rehashing last year's playoff losses.

As a fan though I have the highest expectations for this team and for Melo. I expect us to compete for a title. The players are playing well. This team has depth, size, scoring, great defenders on the wing and interior, rebounding.. there is no glaring weakness. Its been an up and down season with the coaching stuff but its over now. Zero reason we cant win the division and fight with the Bull, Heat, Celtics or Magic for a title. Zero excuses either (just wait to Woodson makes some bad decision, uggg)

You have zero interest in last years playoffs but you inferred it in your post ("Melo came in and really didnt impress before getting swept in round 1 by the Celtics.")

Also, Paul Pierce is surrounded by other Stars/HOfers so the comparison in general is flawed. Melo did not have the same support.

Like you, I too am optimistic, though, I hope everyone does not jump off after a couple of losses.

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:jrod... the knocks on Melo are legit.

Knicks had a better record without him last year and this year as well. You could even say he twice ruined the chemistry. Last year the Knicks were coming along pretty well before the Melo drama. This year he single handedly ended Linsanity.

Melo is easily the most talented and valuable player in that trade. That being said is it ridiculous to say that Gallo was a better fit for this team? Despite being a less talented and productive player? I would say Gallo certainly was, at least short term.

Alot of fans really enjoyed getting behind last years Knicks. That team was loaded w/ good guys, good stories and players with upside. They were winning and had beaten some elite teams along the way. Melo came in and really didnt impress before getting swept in round 1 by the Celtics.

Also after the trade he ensured he got the most money possible killing the chance for a 3rd max guy like CP3 or what the Heat did. Now the Knicks got very lucky with the amnesty provision allowing them to sign Chandler, but that was all after Melo signed.

I recognize Melo's talent and what he could mean to the Knicks. Also whats done is done. Im patient. Im the exception with that around here.

Since anyone who doesnt immediatly recognize Melo as a superstar is labelled a HATER here let me ask you this:

Lets just say I dont know much about Melo. Seen him play a few times, highlights etc. but I follow the Knicks closely. Watch every game, go to 4-5 games a year... you get the idea.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Melo lovers and supports... PLEASE tell me ONE THING he's done since being here that would make me a fan of this guy?

Big playoff horse? swept
All about team? Contract first
Good attitude? Got first coach played for here fired
Made the team better? More wins without him
Can play with another star? Unless the last 3 games changes everything no... not yet.
Hotty wife with glorious funbags? Ok keep him

Im sorry, but if your a fan of this guy the best you have right now to sell is some warm kool-aid with no sugar added yet. This guy has a LOT to prove, and even more to prove here.

Alot of the Melo criticism of Melo (to this point) is valid. However, if Melo was tanking it and not playing well, why is Stat off the hook and all hate directed at Melo? I saw Stat putting out much less effort than Melo by a mile. He seemed completely indifferent, especially on the defensive end. At least I saw Melo trying on defense and his man to man defense was actually quite good though he lacked in team defense.

Also, the knicks did not get swept in the playoffs because of Melo who averaged 26.3 pts 10.3 rebounds and 4.8 assists. He was the only one who showed up. That is exactly why we got him because the pre trade team was not a playoff built team.

here's the problem.. you just did what all the non-Melo lovers hate. Show us his stats.

Look at the stats and Melo destroyed Paul Pierce in that series. Look at the games and who outplayed who down the stretch? Even in that super game where Melo was a monster what happened? TO in crunchtime followed by a clutch Paul Pierce shot and Melo's Knicks lose again.

Marbury had great stats here. Nobody cares. Was Melo consistent in that playoff series?

Old stuff.. I have zero interest in rehashing last year's playoff losses.

As a fan though I have the highest expectations for this team and for Melo. I expect us to compete for a title. The players are playing well. This team has depth, size, scoring, great defenders on the wing and interior, rebounding.. there is no glaring weakness. Its been an up and down season with the coaching stuff but its over now. Zero reason we cant win the division and fight with the Bull, Heat, Celtics or Magic for a title. Zero excuses either (just wait to Woodson makes some bad decision, uggg)

You have zero interest in last years playoffs but you inferred it in your post ("Melo came in and really didnt impress before getting swept in round 1 by the Celtics.")

Also, Paul Pierce is surrounded by other Stars/HOfers so the comparison in general is flawed. Melo did not have the same support.

Like you, I too am optimistic, though, I hope everyone does not jump off after a couple of losses.

The end of the games were Melo vs Pierce and Pierce hit the big shots while Melo turned the ball over. knicks were in position to win 3 of those games... But feel free to look at the stats and absolve Melo of any responsibility. What will the excuse be this year? My bet is on Woodson being out coached. God I hope I'm wrong. Happily we have a team that doesn't have to rely on Melo, as these is zero precedent to do so

This is typical blind hate. Melo quintuple teamed passing to wide open JJ for a ...................

Pierce is a HOFer - I don't question that and at this point is obviously the better player.

How come you don't mention AMARE who absolutely SSSSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKED!

Melo hate - thats why.

Feel free to blame Melo but be fair an assign appropriate blame to STAT, MDA ...

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:jrod... the knocks on Melo are legit.

Knicks had a better record without him last year and this year as well. You could even say he twice ruined the chemistry. Last year the Knicks were coming along pretty well before the Melo drama. This year he single handedly ended Linsanity.

Melo is easily the most talented and valuable player in that trade. That being said is it ridiculous to say that Gallo was a better fit for this team? Despite being a less talented and productive player? I would say Gallo certainly was, at least short term.

Alot of fans really enjoyed getting behind last years Knicks. That team was loaded w/ good guys, good stories and players with upside. They were winning and had beaten some elite teams along the way. Melo came in and really didnt impress before getting swept in round 1 by the Celtics.

Also after the trade he ensured he got the most money possible killing the chance for a 3rd max guy like CP3 or what the Heat did. Now the Knicks got very lucky with the amnesty provision allowing them to sign Chandler, but that was all after Melo signed.

I recognize Melo's talent and what he could mean to the Knicks. Also whats done is done. Im patient. Im the exception with that around here.

Since anyone who doesnt immediatly recognize Melo as a superstar is labelled a HATER here let me ask you this:

Lets just say I dont know much about Melo. Seen him play a few times, highlights etc. but I follow the Knicks closely. Watch every game, go to 4-5 games a year... you get the idea.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Melo lovers and supports... PLEASE tell me ONE THING he's done since being here that would make me a fan of this guy?

Big playoff horse? swept
All about team? Contract first
Good attitude? Got first coach played for here fired
Made the team better? More wins without him
Can play with another star? Unless the last 3 games changes everything no... not yet.
Hotty wife with glorious funbags? Ok keep him

Im sorry, but if your a fan of this guy the best you have right now to sell is some warm kool-aid with no sugar added yet. This guy has a LOT to prove, and even more to prove here.

Alot of the Melo criticism of Melo (to this point) is valid. However, if Melo was tanking it and not playing well, why is Stat off the hook and all hate directed at Melo? I saw Stat putting out much less effort than Melo by a mile. He seemed completely indifferent, especially on the defensive end. At least I saw Melo trying on defense and his man to man defense was actually quite good though he lacked in team defense.

Also, the knicks did not get swept in the playoffs because of Melo who averaged 26.3 pts 10.3 rebounds and 4.8 assists. He was the only one who showed up. That is exactly why we got him because the pre trade team was not a playoff built team.

here's the problem.. you just did what all the non-Melo lovers hate. Show us his stats.

Look at the stats and Melo destroyed Paul Pierce in that series. Look at the games and who outplayed who down the stretch? Even in that super game where Melo was a monster what happened? TO in crunchtime followed by a clutch Paul Pierce shot and Melo's Knicks lose again.

Marbury had great stats here. Nobody cares. Was Melo consistent in that playoff series?

Old stuff.. I have zero interest in rehashing last year's playoff losses.

As a fan though I have the highest expectations for this team and for Melo. I expect us to compete for a title. The players are playing well. This team has depth, size, scoring, great defenders on the wing and interior, rebounding.. there is no glaring weakness. Its been an up and down season with the coaching stuff but its over now. Zero reason we cant win the division and fight with the Bull, Heat, Celtics or Magic for a title. Zero excuses either (just wait to Woodson makes some bad decision, uggg)

You have zero interest in last years playoffs but you inferred it in your post ("Melo came in and really didnt impress before getting swept in round 1 by the Celtics.")

Also, Paul Pierce is surrounded by other Stars/HOfers so the comparison in general is flawed. Melo did not have the same support.

Like you, I too am optimistic, though, I hope everyone does not jump off after a couple of losses.

The end of the games were Melo vs Pierce and Pierce hit the big shots while Melo turned the ball over. knicks were in position to win 3 of those games... But feel free to look at the stats and absolve Melo of any responsibility. What will the excuse be this year? My bet is on Woodson being out coached. God I hope I'm wrong. Happily we have a team that doesn't have to rely on Melo, as these is zero precedent to do so

This is typical blind hate. Melo quintuple teamed passing to wide open JJ for a ...................

Pierce is a HOFer - I don't question that and at this point is obviously the better player.

How come you don't mention AMARE who absolutely SSSSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKED!

Melo hate - thats why.

Feel free to blame Melo but be fair an assign appropriate blame to STAT, MDA ...

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:It's really hard taking some of you guys seriously on some of your postings...Well this is what Carmelo brings to the Knicks..Relevancy!!!...Chandler came here because he though along with Carmelo and Amare, this could be a formidable team...Secondary guys like Baron Davis won't sign here without Melo...JR Smith would prob sign with the Clippers...You really think those guys would line up to play with Gallo, Chandler and Felton???...It's huge being able to replace what we lost on the bench without giving up draft picks..Absolutely huge...

Do you really think the Knicks would have been the same team given where Amare and Felton are in their careers???...Come playoff time, having a guy who isn't afraid and who can be a beast is essential...When Melo is on, the only guy stopping Melo is Melo...Lin can be stopped and more likely will be, Amare has taken a step back...I'm amazed this argument is still being played out...

Last year's team was all about Amare and Felton...Where are they now???... If this team can get a 5th or 6th seeding and win the first round, we will absolutely be a nightmare after some playoff experience...If we continue with this kind of defense, and Melo's shots fall, we can compete with any team in the NBA...Could you really say that about last year's team or players???...But I think the haters don't care...This isn't a basketball argument, it's a rooting for the guys like prefer in a Knick uniform argument...Wish you guys would be more honest...

There's really nothing anyone can say in his defense. Not from a personal performance point of view or the teams performance. He's got to step up and start being the man he was brought here to be and hasn't been for MOST of his team here aside from a few instances. This is irrefutable!!!

Can't/Couldn't this statement be said about MDA? Huh? What?

BUT YOU DIDN'T AND WON'T!!! But why? This is irrefutable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ChuckBuck wrote:Ehh the so-called stud Gallo just broke his thumb trying to block a shot and is out a month or longer. The guy can't even stay on the court to put up his all nba 15 points a game.

Eh! You're just a Gallo blaster/hater. But isn't he so pretty?

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:It's really hard taking some of you guys seriously on some of your postings...Well this is what Carmelo brings to the Knicks..Relevancy!!!...Chandler came here because he though along with Carmelo and Amare, this could be a formidable team...Secondary guys like Baron Davis won't sign here without Melo...JR Smith would prob sign with the Clippers...You really think those guys would line up to play with Gallo, Chandler and Felton???...It's huge being able to replace what we lost on the bench without giving up draft picks..Absolutely huge...

Do you really think the Knicks would have been the same team given where Amare and Felton are in their careers???...Come playoff time, having a guy who isn't afraid and who can be a beast is essential...When Melo is on, the only guy stopping Melo is Melo...Lin can be stopped and more likely will be, Amare has taken a step back...I'm amazed this argument is still being played out...

Last year's team was all about Amare and Felton...Where are they now???... If this team can get a 5th or 6th seeding and win the first round, we will absolutely be a nightmare after some playoff experience...If we continue with this kind of defense, and Melo's shots fall, we can compete with any team in the NBA...Could you really say that about last year's team or players???...But I think the haters don't care...This isn't a basketball argument, it's a rooting for the guys like prefer in a Knick uniform argument...Wish you guys would be more honest...

You're actually making our argument for us. What you say about Melo is supposed to be true. He's the guy brought in to get the team over the top. That's why he's getting so much flack. Dude is the best player on the team with the highest upside everytime he takes the floor. So when that player isn't playing up to his abilities and even worse admits that he hasn't given all out effort all year before the last 4 games, then he rightly takes the heat. There's really nothing anyone can say in his defense. Not from a personal performance point of view or the teams performance. He's got to step up and start being the man he was brought here to be and hasn't been for MOST of his team here aside from a few instances. This is irrefutable!!!

I naturally disagree...It's simple, the previous coached focused on offense and our current coach focuses on defense...Defense takes more effort and wares on you physically...Melo isnt in shape to do both right now...U could probably agrue he has been our best defender the last four games...Why hasn't he given this effort on defense or Amare for that matter???...He wasn't focused on defense and neither was the coach....

Expected Nix response:

It's funny how fast people forget that even under MDA the team was playing some good D. They act like this is something new, but the key defensive players have been doing it all year. The difference now is that STAT and Melo finally joined in. If they had done it all year this team would be in better shape. Now they have to keep it up and that is the big question.