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2/13/2012  9:17 AM
holfresh wrote:
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holfresh wrote:
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holfresh wrote:
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holfresh wrote:If you are a Knicks fan, which I'm beginning to question...U better pray that Melo isn't listening to the chirping from section 401 and he is indeed the same player we traded half the team for last year...Check out his Stats against Boston last playoffs...Let me know what he has to prove...
been a knicks fan all my life. grew up with the great 90's teams that were only spoiled becaue of mj. I could give two ****s about personal stats. Of course melo puts up stats i want wins. look i know you are a MAJOR melo fan but you act like he is some hot broad you want to **** lol. I mean in your world he is best player ever. Its ok to point out his flaws it doesn't mean you are vbeing a bad fan it means you are being objective. The problem is that you go on a tangent and dont make sense. Trading melo isn't the answer i never said it was. the best thing to do is like i said let lin run the offense and break down the defense sho he can kick it out to melo or novak or he could set it up for amare or tyson. I agree Lin isn't gonna put up MVP numbers all teh time but there is one thing he has done and that is win. I mean like it or not and for some reason you dont like lin he has helped salvage our season

You are wrong...I'm a major Knick fan and been on a very since the 70's...Forum guy who thinks he has Bobby Knight cred...

did i ever say you weren't a knick fan. im probably the bigegst knick fan so i understand your passion. all i was trying to say is that melo is perfect nobody is sir lol

Bro, don't get it twisted or caught up in the Euphoria...The Knicks need Carmelo, seriously...We needed a PG and looks like we have one, a young one...Our future isn't in BD's hands...I hope he sustains it...

Ok but at least give me this much melo has to adapt a little to lin. what i mean is no more stupid iso plays. i mean at least admit that much

Bro Melo is a top ten player and proven...Do you know what Lin will do next game???..Do you have any clue what will happen when he faces the Heat..U don't..None of us know what commodity Lin is...I'm truly hoping he is will starting at the end of the season cause it might mean good things for the Knicks...

Don't get it twisted... Melo is a top ten scorer, yes! Top ten player... I don't think so.

1. Kobe
2. Rose
3. Lebron
4. Nash
5. Dirk
6. Pierce
7. Duncan
8. Paul
9. Amar'e
10. Howard
11. Wade

All of these men have either won titles, MVP's, or have better all around stats than Melo... Top ten.. Please!!

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2/13/2012  9:40 AM
Theotherheath wrote:[Don't get it twisted... Melo is a top ten scorer, yes! Top ten player... I don't think so.

1. Kobe
2. Rose
3. Lebron
4. Nash
5. Dirk
6. Pierce
7. Duncan
8. Paul
9. Amar'e
10. Howard
11. Wade

All of these men have either won titles, MVP's, or have better all around stats than Melo... Top ten.. Please!!

Nash, Pierce and Duncan are not better than Melo right now. What is this? hot tub time machine? Ewing is better than Melo also. So was KG.
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2/13/2012  9:40 AM
overall bad thread.

People need to be patient and see what we have and what we need.

Paul Pierce was always an ISO ball stopper type before Rondo got there and like a great player he made his adjustments and Boston won a title.

Whats the concern? That Melo wont be able to play with a PG withinin the confines of a 5 man offense? If thats a case its a pretty low opinion of Melo who HAS tried and has made some adjustments. So far those changes havent translated into wins, but he's shown his desire to change perceptions. We have certainly seen it on defense.

Chandler isnt half the P&R offensive player that Amare is Chandler+Lin have looked amazing. There is no reason to assuming Amare wont be the same nice quick fit.

Knicks have a whole lot to look at right now, but the LAST thing they should be doing is making big trades.

The Knicks are suddenly a much deeper team, and are in the process of turning their season around. Lets let them do it.

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2/13/2012  9:41 AM
Right now? Right now Melo is taking 20 shots a game and hitting 39%
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2/13/2012  10:44 AM
The OP is asking "God" to make a trade.

Dolan made the trade to bring him in.

We must deduct that "God" is Dolan and he is asking Dolan to make another deal?

God spelled backwards is "Dog", and Dolan Backwards is "Nalod".

Just saying........

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2/13/2012  10:45 AM
Nalod wrote:The OP is asking "God" to make a trade.

Dolan made the trade to bring him in.

We must deduct that "God" is Dolan and he is asking Dolan to make another deal?

God spelled backwards is "Dog", and Dolan Backwards is "Nalod".

Just saying........



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2/13/2012  11:24 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Thread is pure comedy.

Bulls are like 5-1 without Derrick Rose. Doesn't mean the Bulls don't need Rose.

Melo is the Knicks best player. Suggesting Melo adjust is like telling Lebron to adjust his game for Norris Cole.


Amar'e is the best all around player... He already proved it last year by carrying the Knicks on his back. Something Melo brought to an end once he cane over.

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2/13/2012  11:39 AM
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JCrusher wrote:melo has a lot to prove. sorry buts the truth . Amare came here last year and helped the knicks. Lin started last week without two stars and we are 5-0. since melo has come here and the knicks have had a worse record. Belive me i wish i was wrong but that has been the truth so far. Lin needs to control the ball and amare should be the main option and when they double amare lin has melo and novak on the perimeter

Melo has nothing to prove...Absolutely nothing..He may be the best scorer in the league, period..Like every other young player in this league, what if Lin's game falls off...U really think he will continue at this pace, really??..U are just a poster, keep that in mind...

Aslo, I will guarantee you right now the Knicks won't beat teams like the Heat and Bulls without Carmelo..Won't happen...U have gulped the kool-Aid to the point where you are not making sense...

How can you say Melo has nothing to prove? There are four players in the league that can say that right now. Kobe, Paul pierce, dirk, and Duncan because they led their teams to titles by putting then on their backs. Maybe Melo should at least lead a team to the finals before you say he has nothing left to prove. There have been countless great scorers that couldn't lead their teams anywhere because they don't have that drive that makes them refuse to lose, to work hard at every level of their game, and make their teammates better. Reggie Miller is the first to come to mind. Karl Malone (at least he could board too though, and got Utah to one final.)

Explain to me why Melo isn't a shut down defender I he's so great? He certainly has the strength and speed. Must be the lack of drive to raise his game on that end of the court, or maybe he's just exhausted from heaving thirty shots a night. Kobe plays D, pierce plays D, hell even dirk raised his game on the defensive end. Why not Melo?


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2/13/2012  12:10 PM
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AnubisADL wrote:Thread is pure comedy.

Bulls are like 5-1 without Derrick Rose. Doesn't mean the Bulls don't need Rose.

Melo is the Knicks best player. Suggesting Melo adjust is like telling Lebron to adjust his game for Norris Cole.


Knicks are not the Bulls nor the Heat. Look at the records. If they were, we would not be having this discussion.
Being best player on 8-15 team is not much to brag about.

Miami won six straight without Wade...Maybe they should release him

Are you kidding me?? Miami still had Lebron and bosh... Great point he said sarcastically.

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2/13/2012  12:16 PM
Theotherheath wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Thread is pure comedy.

Bulls are like 5-1 without Derrick Rose. Doesn't mean the Bulls don't need Rose.

Melo is the Knicks best player. Suggesting Melo adjust is like telling Lebron to adjust his game for Norris Cole.


Amar'e is the best all around player... He already proved it last year by carrying the Knicks on his back. Something Melo brought to an end once he cane over.


Amare is the best all around player? Are you kidding me?

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2/13/2012  12:22 PM
Theotherheath wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Thread is pure comedy.

Bulls are like 5-1 without Derrick Rose. Doesn't mean the Bulls don't need Rose.

Melo is the Knicks best player. Suggesting Melo adjust is like telling Lebron to adjust his game for Norris Cole.


Amar'e is the best all around player... He already proved it last year by carrying the Knicks on his back. Something Melo brought to an end once he cane over.

I love Amare, but what's the standard for "proving it" again? Carrying a team on his back...to a record of two games over .500? Did Melo bring that to an end or did the fact that we lost half our team have something to do with it? An argument can certainly be made that too much was given up in the trade, but I just can't understand this thinking that once Carmelo showed up the world imploded.

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2/13/2012  12:29 PM
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WindsorPl wrote:Wade has a ring, what does Melo have? Until he helps the team win 1 playoff round, he is a back hole on offense where balls just die. That will have to change.

Melo has been to the WCF..He still has to prove himself...When was the last time the Knicks have been anywhere..Do u really think the Knicks are going anywhere without Melo??..

With Howard, w. Chandler, and JR Smith instead of Melo... Absolutely!!!

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2/13/2012  12:33 PM
nixluva wrote:This team is in a different place from where we started. We needed a star and got STAT. We needed a Closer and that's what Melo does best. We needed a Defensive Center and we got one of the best in the league. We needed a PG and lucked upon a kid that fits perfectly in MDA's system and gets this team playing TEAM BALL. Lin is the director of the offense that we lacked. There's no way that MDA or the other players will allow one player to mess up what has been going on.

Those arguing against Melo are really being shortsighted. Melo is a bit of a ball stopper, but he's also shown that he's willing to be a team player. He had that game where he passed the ball when he couldn't hit a shot. I think now with a PG Melo can pick his spots more and not feel he has to do everything and force things. I really don't think there's gonna be a major problem. Sure they'll need time to get the chemistry going again, but aside from that I think they'll blend just fine.


"He had that ONE GAME where he passed." thanks for making my point for me.

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2/13/2012  12:36 PM
CashMoney wrote:Some of you people are amazing. The Knicks play well for a stretch and now it's trade MELO & Chandler - the guy whose been beasting for us for Mr. Overrated himself, Dwight Howard?

The problem with this team up to the last week was no PG. We lucked out and now have J Lin. Add STAT and a guy who has the best mid range game in the business and we're in business. Does anyone really think that Melo won't hit all those wide open looks that Walker has been getting!?

The Knicks have also been on this win streak without STAT. Let's trade STAT?! We haven't had a solid roster that could be contenders in over 10 years. We're finally close and people want to blow up the team again. Not only that but blow up the team for a guy who isn't much of an upgrade over our current C!

Please become fans of the Nets or something....some of you guys make me sick!

How the heck can you say a guy that grabs 20 plus boards and 15 plus points consistently is overrated???? You have NO basketball IQ at all!

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2/13/2012  12:41 PM
CashMoney wrote:Some of you people are amazing. The Knicks play well for a stretch and now it's trade MELO & Chandler - the guy whose been beasting for us for Mr. Overrated himself, Dwight Howard?

The problem with this team up to the last week was no PG. We lucked out and now have J Lin. Add STAT and a guy who has the best mid range game in the business and we're in business. Does anyone really think that Melo won't hit all those wide open looks that Walker has been getting!?

The Knicks have also been on this win streak without STAT. Let's trade STAT?! We haven't had a solid roster that could be contenders in over 10 years. We're finally close and people want to blow up the team again. Not only that but blow up the team for a guy who isn't much of an upgrade over our current C!

Please become fans of the Nets or something....some of you guys make me sick!

Another thing since reading your post makes me feel like my own IQ is dropping... Stat was our MVP last year who obviously is not happy about having Melo... Did you see any of the preseason interviews? He looked miserable. Even when the Knicks lost last season they were more exciting to watch with Amar'e leading the way.

And as far as Chandler I wanted him badly and am glad he's a knick, although we overpaid big time. However we'd need to include him in the deal because you're bot paying him 54 mill to come off the bench. Also it clears up cap to fill the rest of your roster with free agents like Wilson Chandler and JR smith.

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2/13/2012  12:43 PM
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holfresh wrote:
WindsorPl wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Thread is pure comedy.

Bulls are like 5-1 without Derrick Rose. Doesn't mean the Bulls don't need Rose.

Melo is the Knicks best player. Suggesting Melo adjust is like telling Lebron to adjust his game for Norris Cole.


Knicks are not the Bulls nor the Heat. Look at the records. If they were, we would not be having this discussion.
Being best player on 8-15 team is not much to brag about.

Miami won six straight without Wade...Maybe they should release him


Yeah, but they win a lot of games *with* him too (same with the Bulls and Rose, Anu). It's not Wade or Rose went down and then the trajectory of their franchise turned around.

Amazing point!! The bulls and heat are great with their stars... We suck with Melo... Just look at the friggin win/loss record PLEASE!

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2/13/2012  12:50 PM
Nalod wrote:Fans think they are empowered and their opinions are substantial.

Manage a fantasy team is not like real life.

Melo has not played with the likes of a creator PG. Iverson and BIllups are great players but not the passing type Lin is.

Andre Miller is closer.

Im not going to break down film of Denver's record the last 7 years. The bottom line is there are way too many variables to consider.

One is that Jeremy Lin canoot play 38 minutes and jack up 20 plus shots each nite. You can't extrapolate the last 5 games into the future.

From what I have seen, It would appear that Melo is making strides this season where he is being asked to do more than ever before. Be a ball facilitator at times is not an easy task.

Let him be what he does best, be one of the games better finishers!

And when you need a closer, there he is.

Tune in.


You're telling me Melo is a great player... A five year old can pass the ball... So he can't find the open guy? I've been a point guard my whole life... It's not hard to do if you're willin to be unselfish and that's his problem. Name one great player that can't pass...

Magic
Bird
Jordan
Cousy
Russell
West
Kobe
Pierce
Duncan
Dirk
Lebron
And an endless amount of great players... What do they all have in common? A willingness to play with their teams, find the open man, and make their teammates better... How much longer does Melo get to play in the league before he finally learns these things?

Fact!!! Lebron had as many assists on a crappy cabs team in his first four years then Melo has TO DATE. That's ridiculous

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2/13/2012  12:51 PM
Theotherheath wrote:Lin is a surprise to everyone... Before he played LA Kobe admitted he'd never even heard of him... What happens when teams can actually prepare for him, and everyone knows his game... Are you all truly expecting someone that was cut by countless teams to still perform when teams know what's coming? I pray that Lin can rise to the occasion and be consistent, but I don't want to put my hopes on a guy that was barely a twelfth man before last week.

Defenses have already been adjusting to what Lin does. It's more a function of Lin and this system creating a very hard to stop offensive attack. It's not impossible to take away a PG's penetration but you will sacrifice something in the process and that's why it's so hard to stop this offense when you have a PG that can read it and make a smart counter to what they're doing.

Also MDA keeps adding more twists to what Lin can do out there. Now that MDA has a PG that can learn and run his plays. He doesn't have to hold back. We haven't seen ANYTHING yet. There are over 100 plays in his system and we've only seen rudimentary stuff cuz we didn't have a PG!!! Remember when TD forgot the play coming at the end of a game off a time out. Then compare that to what Lin did getting the ball to Novak for the 3 in the last game!!!

Theotherheath wrote:Also, everyone seems to be missing the other pieces we'd be able to add without Melo. Namely JR Smith and Wilson Chandler (who never should've traded in the first place). ALSO how is no one holding Melo accountable for ripping the Knicks apart when he knew he was coming here anyway!!! See his wife's reality show negotiations prior to the trade if you don't believe it.
This is really not important anymore. The deal is done and this is the team we have. The Knicks have drafted well and our young players are getting better. The guys we gave up are not as good as Melo. Melo is here to give us a proven Closer. No one is better at closing a game than Melo. This is a fact!!!

Theotherheath wrote:If he can prove himself a team player... Great!! Otherwise the only other way Melo, stat, and Lin can co-exist is if you bring in Phil Jackson and put those three in the triangle. Melo is a one trick pony... Great offense, average rebounder, and poor defender. If you disagree you should check your mancrush at the door.

This is a difficult thing for me to refute since we haven't really had them play together much. Still when they did play together, it looked pretty good!!! They haven't had a chance to practice together, but that will happen and you have no idea how that will develop since you haven't seen what they look like after working on it together either!!! So let's see how they mesh over time. We've got a good amount of game left to see them work together.

Their one game together against the Nets with Lin off the bench.

STARTERS 	      MIN 	FGM-A 	3PM-A 	FTM-A 	REB 	AST 	STL 	BLK	+/- 	PTS
C Anthony, SF 35 3-15 1-3 4-4 3 3 1 1 -2 11
A Stoudemire, PF 25 6-11 0-0 5-5 5 0 0 1 +11 17
T Chandler, C 36 7-9 0-0 3-4 9 2 0 1 -1 17

L Fields, G 22 3-8 0-2 0-0 5 1 1 0 -13 6
I Shumpert, G 25 1-5 0-0 0-0 5 2 0 0 +5 2

Jared Jeffries, PF 31 4-10 0-1 1-1 10 2 0 1 +6 9
Renaldo Balkman, PF 2 0-0 0-0 0-0 1 0 0 0 -1 0
Toney Douglas, PG 13 2-5 0-3 1-1 4 2 0 0 +9 5
Jeremy Lin, PG 36 10-19 0-4 5-7 5 7 2 0 +13 25
Bill Walker, SG 15 1-1 1-1 4-4 1 1 1 1 +8 7

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2/13/2012  12:51 PM
Theotherheath wrote:Stat was our MVP last year who obviously is not happy about having Melo...

Links please to his quotes saying he is not happy about having Melo. Thanks in advance.

Theotherheath wrote:Did you see any of the preseason interviews? He looked miserable.

Oh, never mind. I didn't know you were a master of kinesics.

Theotherheath wrote:And as far as Chandler I wanted him badly and am glad he's a knick, although we overpaid big time.

First, the man is worth every penny of his contract. Second, it's not over-payment if that's what the market dictates.

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2/13/2012  12:52 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
WindsorPl wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Thread is pure comedy.

Bulls are like 5-1 without Derrick Rose. Doesn't mean the Bulls don't need Rose.

Melo is the Knicks best player. Suggesting Melo adjust is like telling Lebron to adjust his game for Norris Cole.


Knicks are not the Bulls nor the Heat. Look at the records. If they were, we would not be having this discussion.
Being best player on 8-15 team is not much to brag about.

Miami won six straight without Wade...Maybe they should release him


Yeah, but they win a lot of games *with* him too (same with the Bulls and Rose, Anu). It's not Wade or Rose went down and then the trajectory of their franchise turned around.

So in your mind, the recent win streak is a result of Melo sitting instead of the emergence of Jeremy Lin?

It's an obvious culmination of both... Lin wouldn't have emerged with Melo in the lineup... Amar'e has already proven he can let a great point guard make his game better... Anyone hear of a guard named Steve Nash?

Please God trade Melo now!!

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