loweyecue wrote:RonRon wrote:smackeddog wrote:Do yourselves a favour and watch a game from last season, because some peoples memory has become warped with nostalgia! I found a Knicks-Hawks game from before the trade yesterday- the first time Amar'e got the ball, he drove into the opposing players and was charged with an offensive foul. Next time he drove into 3 defenders, and had the ball swiped away. He is the same player, only last year he could make the jumpshot, and Felton made some good passes to him once they'd played together a while. Actually, I was suprised at how thin Amar'e looked, and the fact that he sprinted across the court every play, where as this year he seems to jog up and down.
Last years team couldn't play defense, we couldn't rebound- we only won games when we shot well from 3pt land- it was not a championship contender. Felton was a flawed point guard, people started off hostile to him, warmed to him, then turned against him again just before the trade.
If we could have added Tyson Chandler to that team- then great, I'd much rather have that team than the one we do now, but the truth is we couldn't add a centre like him with those salaries- this year we would have had to stumped up for Wilson Chandler, next year we'd of done it for Gallo and Felton- that team was deeply flawed (like this one!)
Honestly, watch some games from last year, we were never as good as people are making out.
You are also looking at the games in which our players were affected by the trade rumors.
All of the players that we traded in the deal, aside from Curry, wanted to be in New York.
They finally changed the culture, from the Curry/Marbury days, and broke out of that funk of losing that Wizards have, and Clippers/Wolves once had.
It is very rare, to have young players that were not stat whores, setting aside EGOs, trying to produce for the team, and not for themselves, for a better contract. That is why Gallo was picked and Jennings was not even scouted. After going through Marbury era, Walsh didn't want to draft a players that
Jennings portrayed himself to be before the draft. Him talking smack about Rubio and he has a big EGO, that Walsh didn't want to chance at.
Walsh picks players with the "right mentality and work ethic" over skill and talent.
We did go in scoring droughts last year but we also did average over 100pts a game.
Adding Iman, Jorts, and Tyson CHandler, provides us with the scoring and defense, to take us a greater level.
Our roles, chemistry, improvement in our yoots, same core of players, and young legs would be in our advantage with this schedule.
How's the weather in your alternate reality? Out here it's snowing.
I misunderstood, smackeddoggs comments and points wrong.
Sorry, you make plenty of sense.
However, adding Tyson Chandler and retaining Wilson Chandler were both possible, without the Melo trade.
The 2 factors would be shipping out Turiaf and possibly moving AR for an future pick *I think we can at least get a 2nd pick for him*
Although, I don't know if we would have targeted Tyson Chandler if we didn't trade for Melo, I think Tyson would have loved to come to New York over Golden State.
With Wilson Chandler, we would be able to offer him a deal in the 7-8million range, he might seek a little more.
But we could still at least sign him to a one year deal, like we did with David Lee, and retain his rights till at least one more year, possibly resigning him as well.
I don't know if we would be able to keep Shawne Williams under those circumstances and if Baron Davis would still pick New York over other teams with Felton here.
If Wilson Chandler didn't resign here, I would think the Knicks would at keep Shawne Williams if it was possible though.
But if we did sign Tyson Chandler, it would surely help our chances with them being good friends.
Tyson Chandler added to that core, would have a very similar effect to Dallas adding Tyson Chandler, making us contenders with added defense provided by
Iman and Tyson Chandler.
I agree, adding Tyson Chandler to this group, might not be a good fit with his salary. But no one ever expected us to be this bad offensively either.
Amare, Melo, and TD have taken a big step back from last year. I think losing Shawne Williams's production really hurt us as well.
But pointing the finger at Tyson Chandler's salary, vs trading for Melo is not even close.
If anything, Dolan, deserves the blame.
A lot of people on these forums are much more delusional than be my far. Not sure what your beef is with me loweyeue.
If I ever offended you by any means, I apologize. It's been frustrating being a Knick fan and after Walsh put us in a position to be competitive for many of years,
with our yoots, changing our selfish culture, losing culture, and providing us with players that had chemistry with bright future really hurt.
With the ability to add a big FA this year, the extra draft picks, and Dolan's ability to open his wallet, we could have had a plan for a bright future, maybe for another good decade.
1/22/2012 8:02 PM
