colombian0725 wrote:

KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:What is the contingency plan if Baron Davis fails?
No one here seems ready to talk about that,
but it is a very real possibility.

Answer: It ain't pretty.

Trade Amare and build the team around Melo,Shump and Tyson. Trade Amare for the best point guard we can find and hope to sign a shooter that plays(good enough D).

colombian0725 wrote:

KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:What is the contingency plan if Baron Davis fails?
No one here seems ready to talk about that,
but it is a very real possibility.

Answer: It ain't pretty.

Trade Amare and build the team around Melo,Shump and Tyson. Trade Amare for the best point guard we can find and hope to sign a shooter that plays(good enough D).

I could get behind that plan.

misterearl wrote:A Must Read

"Perhaps more than any other N.B.A. team, the Knicks have fostered a reputation for laying franchise fortune at the feet of superstars either in the midst of – or well past – their primes: Bob McAdoo, Spencer Haywood, Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, Amar’e Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony and, most recently, Tyson Chandler."

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/17/knicks-idling-waiting-for-baron/

"... a combination of Douglas’s struggles, Shumpert’s growing pains, and Anthony’s “point forward” alchemy have contributed to a kind of offensive identity crisis; rather than an attack predicated on quick breaks, precise cuts, and effective floor spacing, the Knicks have instead resorted far too often to letting Stoudemire or Anthony – usually the latter – conduct the offense from the elbow. The results have been at best mixed, at worst messy, and in either case evidence that Davis’ now imminent return has morphed from a matter of welcome convenience into one of sheer necessity."

Which begs the question, can you REALLY teach an old dog new tricks?

The core issue for the Knicks, and their veterans ingrained habits - is the ability to adapt to each other on the fly.

When Wilson Chandler had his off-season shoulder surgery he had it done in March and didn't really get back to good form till seemed like late January. I expect TD should get stronger as time goes on, Iman get craftier, Baron get healthier and Melo become an even better defender and facilitator. As for Amar'e I have nothing to say in his defense.

As for Fields, I should very much like it if he could find his inner Landry

Any of this happening soon? Odds are it will look more like-

colombian0725 wrote:

KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:What is the contingency plan if Baron Davis fails?
No one here seems ready to talk about that,
but it is a very real possibility.

Answer: It ain't pretty.

Trade Amare and build the team around Melo,Shump and Tyson. Trade Amare for the best point guard we can find and hope to sign a shooter that plays(good enough D).

We have discussed if Davis fails. Sessions, Ridnour, or another available PG at the deadline, then consider that Nash, Miller, Felton, Augustine, as well as Sessions are FAs this summer. Plenty of options so no concern there.

And stop suggesting Stoudemire trades for the last time. As fans it just makes us look really bad.

Knixkik wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:

KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:What is the contingency plan if Baron Davis fails?
No one here seems ready to talk about that,
but it is a very real possibility.

Answer: It ain't pretty.

Trade Amare and build the team around Melo,Shump and Tyson. Trade Amare for the best point guard we can find and hope to sign a shooter that plays(good enough D).

We have discussed if Davis fails. Sessions, Ridnour, or another available PG at the deadline, then consider that Nash, Miller, Felton, Augustine, as well as Sessions are FAs this summer. Plenty of options so no concern there.

And stop suggesting Stoudemire trades for the last time. As fans it just makes us look really bad.

Felton coming back would be a dream come true for me. Him and Amare were my 2 favorite KnicksTweets last year.

Felton
Shumpert
Anthony
Amare
Chandler

Looks nice. If you could package Fields to get Jack-of-all-trades Ill Will back it would be the cherry on top.

misterearl wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:

KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:What is the contingency plan if Baron Davis fails?
No one here seems ready to talk about that,
but it is a very real possibility.

Answer: It ain't pretty.

Trade Amare and build the team around Melo,Shump and Tyson. Trade Amare for the best point guard we can find and hope to sign a shooter that plays(good enough D).

We have discussed if Davis fails. Sessions, Ridnour, or another available PG at the deadline, then consider that Nash, Miller, Felton, Augustine, as well as Sessions are FAs this summer. Plenty of options so no concern there.

And stop suggesting Stoudemire trades for the last time. As fans it just makes us look really bad.

Felton coming back would be a dream come true for me. Him and Amare were my 2 favorite KnicksTweets last year.

Felton
Shumpert
Anthony
Amare
Chandler

Looks nice. If you could package Fields to get Jack-of-all-trades Ill Will back it would be the cherry on top.

It always LOOKS nice. That is the problem with wet fantasy deals. They LOOK nice. Carmelo, Chandler and Amar'e are the most photogenic trio the Knicks have had in a decade. The good looks are not translating into equal shared responsibility.

Raymond Felton ain't walking through that door anytime soon and the stars better think about taking responsibility BEFORE Baron Davis suits up - or it will be too late to reclaim the lost trust in each other, and the rest of their walking (not running) buddies.

Leaders need to step forward BEFORE March, and a killer first week schedule that could implode this entire season.

Baron Davis is a better point guard than Ray Felton, and I love Felton.

Baron's play in Cleveland LAST season was better than anything Ray has ever done at the point.

Amar'e and Melo will like playing with each other a whole lot more when they don't have to create their own shot.

Asking them to create shots for each other and calling that something as intangible as "leadership" is ridiculous. Creating shots for teammates, running an offense, is a skill. No one currently playing for the Knicks has that skill. Baron does.

You want to blame someone? Blame the coach for running a point guard centric offense with no point guard and having ZERO backup plan except for dumping the ball in Melo and Amar'e's laps and asking them to create their own shot.

Otherwise, calm down and wait for Baron.

crzymdups wrote:

misterearl wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:

KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:What is the contingency plan if Baron Davis fails?
No one here seems ready to talk about that,
but it is a very real possibility.

Answer: It ain't pretty.

Trade Amare and build the team around Melo,Shump and Tyson. Trade Amare for the best point guard we can find and hope to sign a shooter that plays(good enough D).

We have discussed if Davis fails. Sessions, Ridnour, or another available PG at the deadline, then consider that Nash, Miller, Felton, Augustine, as well as Sessions are FAs this summer. Plenty of options so no concern there.

And stop suggesting Stoudemire trades for the last time. As fans it just makes us look really bad.

Felton coming back would be a dream come true for me. Him and Amare were my 2 favorite KnicksTweets last year.

Felton
Shumpert
Anthony
Amare
Chandler

Looks nice. If you could package Fields to get Jack-of-all-trades Ill Will back it would be the cherry on top.

It always LOOKS nice. That is the problem with wet fantasy deals. They LOOK nice. Carmelo, Chandler and Amar'e are the most photogenic trio the Knicks have had in a decade. The good looks are not translating into equal shared responsibility.

Raymond Felton ain't walking through that door anytime soon and the stars better think about taking responsibility BEFORE Baron Davis suits up - or it will be too late to reclaim the lost trust in each other, and the rest of their walking (not running) buddies.

Leaders need to step forward BEFORE March, and a killer first week schedule that could implode this entire season.

Baron Davis is a better point guard than Ray Felton, and I love Felton.

Baron's play in Cleveland LAST season was better than anything Ray has ever done at the point.

Amar'e and Melo will like playing with each other a whole lot more when they don't have to create their own shot.

Asking them to create shots for each other and calling that something as intangible as "leadership" is ridiculous. Creating shots for teammates, running an offense, is a skill. No one currently playing for the Knicks has that skill. Baron does.

You want to blame someone? Blame the coach for running a point guard centric offense with no point guard and having ZERO backup plan except for dumping the ball in Melo and Amar'e's laps and asking them to create their own shot.

Otherwise, calm down and wait for Baron.

Baron WAS a MUCH better then Felton. Now? ehhhhh.........all around Felton is a better defender. Maybe Baron is/was better but Felton is like what 27 now? Baron is an old 32?

misterearl wrote:The operative word is LAST season

"Baron's play in Cleveland LAST season was better than anything Ray has ever done at the point."

Pass the ball.

uh, he hasn't played this season.

pass the dutchie.

"I think we as a team need to do a better job getting Amare the ball," Anthony said. "I don't know. I have the ball in my hands, maybe it's on me. Maybe I need to get him the ball a little but more, help him out with that. Me and STAT will talk, probably tomorrow, Monday, try to figure it out together. If I'm doing too much I want him to tell me. I want the guys on my team to tell me if I'm doing too much and we'll handle him like that."

"We have to do a better job of opening up opportunities for STAT," Tyson Chandler said. "We have to get him the ball. We have to figure out something."

Said Stoudemire: "It's about winning.... It's not about me and numbers of shots. We had a chance to win. We had a great momentum going... we just didn't pull it out."

(It was refreshing to watch Landry Fields attacking the rim. Once again he demonstrated how he can improvise in an uptempo attack. Landry also led with 7 assists. Iman Shumpert is so tightly muscled that he needs a personal masseuse, and a few days off to allow his body to heal. Toney Douglas' shot selection is beyond explanation. How does he gobble more attempts, in fewer minutes, than Stoudemire?)

Time for the big three to share a long dinner in Charlotte.

smackeddog wrote:

misterearl wrote:Revelations

"I think we as a team need to do a better job getting Amare the ball," Anthony said. "I don't know. I have the ball in my hands, maybe it's on me. Maybe I need to get him the ball a little but more, help him out with that. Me and STAT will talk, probably tomorrow, Monday, try to figure it out together. If I'm doing too much I want him to tell me. I want the guys on my team to tell me if I'm doing too much and we'll handle him like that."

"We have to do a better job of opening up opportunities for STAT," Tyson Chandler said. "We have to get him the ball. We have to figure out something."

Said Stoudemire: "It's about winning.... It's not about me and numbers of shots. We had a chance to win. We had a great momentum going... we just didn't pull it out."

(It was refreshing to watch Landry Fields attacking the rim. Once again he demonstrated how he can improvise in an uptempo attack. Landry also led with 7 assists. Iman Shumpert is so tightly muscled that he needs a personal masseuse, and a few days off to allow his body to heal. Toney Douglas' shot selection is beyond explanation. How does he gobble more attempts, in fewer minutes, than Stoudemire?)

Time for the big three to share a long dinner in Charlotte.

I know Melo is getting a lot of hate right now, but I think some of it is undeserved. Before we traded for him, I thought I was going to hate him, but since the offseason he sounds like his heads screwed on right- yeah, he's become obsessed with iso's, but I think that ties into this teams wider issue of lack of faith and trust in each other.

I don't know- I get all the anger and frustration, and the fact that we're in a 6 game losing streak, but there's so much hate on these boards lately, they're just not much fun to read these days.

It is not hate.

It is New Yorkers love of team basketball.

Hit the open man.